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00:20 < luser9> I couldnt get my new usb UPS working with 'apcupsd' but whatever, the usb shows up fine without it! using `sysctl -n hw.sensors.upd0.{percent0,indicator5}`  -- not bad for $80! (it is a Back-UPS 600) 
00:21 < Bradipo> apcupsd would be used for reacting to changes in power state I imagine.
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00:29 < luser9> apcuspsd couldnt get a connection to the usb (COMMLOST) , i looked around and read it was because the usb is used as upd0 instead of usbhid or something, and it would require patching usb-quirks.c.. w/e , cron grepping sysctl works 
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00:30 < luser9> At the core of the (every minute) cron script, I am using a few checks before sending mail to root and running halt-p:  `sysctl hw.sensors.upd0.indicator5 | grep -q =Off || exit 0`  and `percent=$(sysctl -n hw.sensors.upd0.percent0 | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/\...%//g'); [ "$percent" -lt 90 ] || exit 0 
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00:31 < mischief> perhaps sensorsd(8) could be useful
00:32 < Bradipo> Yeah, that's the name of the daemon I was looking for.
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04:15 < usagi_mimi> Question about doas: Why do none of the ports to other kernels (even the BSDs) allow for presist? What is in the Openbsd kernel that allows for it to function that way while maintaining security? All the other ports (like the one to linux) only allow it through some kind of hack that everyone suggests not turning on.
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04:42 < FenderQ> usagi_mimi: tty(4) TIOCCHKVERAUTH
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06:36 < Posterdati> hi
06:36 < Posterdati> so limiting resources with login.conf is not going to work :(
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07:21 < ssm_> Posterdati: I don't think processes should be able to override your limits unless your resource-cur is less than your resource-max, in which it can be raised to resource-max by that class. are you sure you fully logged out?
07:21 < ssm_> you can also just forego -cur and -max entirely 
07:24 < Posterdati> yes
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08:11 < anelli> hihi. when making new kbdfs keyboard map in /sys/lib/kbmap, is it advisable to address a layer by the historical numeric index to match other existing map files or to use text layers like "none" "shift" etc. thx
08:11 < anelli> or sorry wrong channel. heck i'm stupid
08:11 < anelli> but yah goodmorning hope yall doing well :)
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09:28 < usagi_mimi> FenderQ: I see. Why don't other kernels implement this call? 
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09:32 < usagi_mimi> From what I can tell sudo and opendoas use a 'cookie' which allow you to run stuff as root until timeout even in other scripts. Where doas does not. It seems like the latter would be preferable on all systems. So I find it odd that no other kernel seems to support it. I was just curious if it's hard to implement.
09:33 < jxl> does anyone know if there are any docs regarding network interface prioritization depending on state of the interface? What I'm trying to achieve is changing the default route interface depending on what I have available. The specific case is if I have a umb(4) interface in an active state, use it, unless there's a iwm(4) interface also in an active state, then prefer that
09:33 < jxl> maybe I'm overthinking this, but any any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
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09:35 < jxl> probably want to test if the iwm(4) is actually connected to a network, I suppose, not just up, but them's details
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09:38 < sibiria> jxl: ospf?
09:39 < usagi_mimi> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Wireless  jxl see Trunking
09:39 < IcePic> usagi_mimi: this cookie is stuck somewhere in the tty/pty structures I think
09:40 < IcePic> but one has to take a lot of care since it will be some kind of bit that says "if you can read/inherit/abuse this single bit then you are suddenly root" 
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09:42 < IcePic> and it needs to time out so its not stuck forever, and renew if you are running some "sudo script-that-does-long-running-jobs.sh" 
09:42 < carneous> without more details, isn't ifstated the go to here for jxl?
09:43 < jxl> usagi_mimi: ahh! sick dude! basically has the exact behavior I want via the failover. I'm assuming the list of interfaces can be arbitrarily long, and they will be tried in the order specified?
09:43 < IcePic> I thought trunk would require you to be on the same network (which one can with wired and wireless in certain circumstances and so on)
09:44 < jxl> Yeah, I'm looking at that caveat and wondering now. It does not a same l2 network.
09:44 < usagi_mimi> They have to be on the same network yes and I've only used two before on a laptop. But that seems to be the most common use case which I figured he was asking about.
09:44 < IcePic> but carneous is not wrong to suggest ifstated, perhaps use that to change prio on the various default-routes one might have
09:44 < usagi_mimi> perhaps you'd rather use a bridge (which is also listed just below trunking)
09:45 < IcePic> umb sounds like cell phone, low chance of that being the same network on your cell provider as your home wifi
09:46 < usagi_mimi> I use Trunking for my home network where I have a ethernet interface and wifi. So it automatically switches to the ethernet port when plugged in. Since both interfaces and up and have different IP addresses on the same LAN.
09:46 < usagi_mimi> you can manually just force one down and the other up of course
09:46 < jxl> Because what I'm basically looking to achieve is have connectivity on the laptop at all times, and the preference order is wired > wireless > cellular. and to prefer wireless over cellular for when I am at home (to not spend the credits on the cell network)
09:48 < sonya> jxl: if 1 min of cron is o'k, then simple shell script could do all and any network adjustments.. check state, select route/gateway, etc..
09:50 < dlg> this is what multipath and route and interface priorities helps with
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09:53 < usagi_mimi> I've thought about getting a celluar modem since my laptop has support for it but I was worried it would be obsoleted within a decade or so. Do those have replaceable SIM cards?
09:54 < jxl> oh yeah, for sure! like a regular sim tray and everything.
09:54 < IcePic> when doing trunk, I think there is a built-in "priority" for devices that values eth over wifi
09:54 < jxl> dlg: will be reading more. thanks!
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13:07 < seninha> Hi, i am getting lots of “i915_gem_userptr_ioctl: stub
13:07 < seninha> Hi, i am getting lots of “i915_gem_userptr_ioctl: stub” on dmesg and console, and eventual “drm:pid4933:intel_vblank_evade *ERROR* [drm] *ERROR* Potential atomic update failure on pipe A”
13:07 < seninha> https://termbin.com/vrz7
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13:09 < seninha> Is that some failure on the intel cp or its firmware?
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13:09 < seninha> And how can i fix it?
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13:11 < seninha> sorry, that's not related to intel CPU, but to intel graphics
13:11 < ivdsangen> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=174127458018956&w=2
13:12 < sibiria> if it doesn't affect anything with the framebuffer or acceleration, i'd not worry too much
13:12 < seninha> I have inteldrm firmware installed. fw_update: add none; update none; keep intel,inteldrm,iwn,uvideo,vmm
13:13 < ivdsangen> i also get the drm error sometimes, but notice no problems
13:13 < pardis> spam from drm stuff is normal
13:14 < pardis> the price to pay for having up-to-date drivers
13:14 < pardis> (changing them too much makes importing updates from Linux harder)
13:14 < seninha> i see, i also used to get spam from iwn in my other old thinkpad, but on a slower rate
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13:15 < seninha> This one is more constant. I just booted ~2h ago and already had 22 inteldrm lines vs 1 iwn line
13:16 < seninha> Thanks :)
13:18 < seninha> The only issue is vim getting interrupted by console on the few cases i need to use TTYC0
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15:14 < FenderQ> usagi_mimi: you might have to ask those who are responsible for other kernels about doas related calls
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15:15 < FenderQ> either way, they have access to the OpenBSD documentation and source code to review
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15:19 < pardis> I'm sure they'll get right on it like glibc did with strlcpy(3)
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15:21 < FenderQ> lol
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15:21 < FenderQ> OpenBSD optimism!
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15:21 < FenderQ> I love it
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15:56 < samebchase> I've been following the steps in https://www.bsdhowto.ch/webserver.html to setup HTTPS on my VPS. This setup has worked for years, however, after upgrading to 7.7, when I run ```doas ocspcheck -No /etc/ssl/mywebsite.com.ocsp /etc/ssl/mywebsite.com.fullchain.pem``` I get the message "Certificate in mywebsite.fullchain.pem contains no OCSP URL." What
15:56 < samebchase> could I try to get OCSP stapling working?
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15:59 < FenderQ> samebchase: I just noticed ocspcheck(8) can run with verbose -v multiple times
16:00 < samebchase> I get the same output with even -v flag
16:00 < jgh> the big-boy CAs are giving up on OCSP (sadly, imho)
16:00 < FenderQ> I bet you get the same output using -v
16:01 < FenderQ> no OCSP URL
16:01 < samebchase> jgh: we don't need OCSP anymore?
16:02 < samebchase> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=test.samebchase.com this is my report, is anything else required to be done?
16:02 < jgh> so they (implicitly) claim
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16:04 < samebchase> An error occurred during a connection to test.samebchase.com. The OCSP response does not include a status for the certificate being verified. Error code: MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_OCSP_RESPONSE_FOR_CERT_MISSING this is what I get in the browser
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16:08 < samebchase> https://letsencrypt.org/2024/12/05/ending-ocsp/
16:08 < samebchase> this suggests I should issue the cert without ocsp stapling
16:10 < eea> ending ocsp?
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16:36 < Bradipo> Hahahaha, really? "We plan to end support for OCSP primarily because it represents a considerable risk to privacy on the Internet."
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16:37 < lts> Enshittification
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16:40 < mischief> because every time you visit a ssl site your browser tattles on you to the ocsp responder about the site you are visiting..
16:40 < lts> Stapling
16:40 < Bradipo> Are they going to stop publishing certificate information to CT?  If they're concerned about privacy, seems like they should end that practice too: https://letsencrypt.org/docs/ct-logs/
16:41 < Bradipo> Everytime I update my Let's Encrypt certs my DNS (and other infrastructure) undergoes a minor DoS.
16:42 < Bradipo> Apparently there are folks monitoring CT and they take it as a cue to hammer your site.
16:42 < Bradipo> Which they would otherwise not know anything about but for the CT log.
16:42 < samebchase> Does anyone know how I can issue a certificate with must-staple no? Can't seem to find that config option for acme-client
16:42 < Bradipo> I doubt acme-client supports anything more than basic modes of operation.
16:43 < mischief> Bradipo: there's also the hax0rs looking for default-password router admin pages, wordpress, the ai scrapers.... etc.
16:43 < Bradipo> Yeah, that happens at a steady rate though.
16:44 < Bradipo> I've been monitoring and each time I renew Let's Encrypt, there's a spike in attempts.
16:44 < Bradipo> I run a pretty minimal site with httpd(8) so I'm not worried, but it's still one of the downsides of CT.
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