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00:35 < farhan> Looking at the athn driver, does anyone know why it calls if_input here: https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/dev/usb/if_athn_usb.c#L2230 I thought net80211 uses ieee8011_input rather than if_input?
00:39 < dlg> if_input is how packets are handed from a driver over to the generic network stack
00:40 < dlg> i believe athn gets 802.11 packets off the chip, which are passed to ieee80211_inputm in athn_usb_rx_frame
00:40 < dlg> i think ieee80211_inputm does the 802.11 stuff and turns the packet into what looks like ethernet, and puts it on the mbuf list for if_input
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14:52 < farhan> dlg: wow, I missed your near immediate response!
14:53 < farhan> dlg: I guess I'm confused why use net80211_input AND if_input?
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15:00 < farhan> What confuses me is, athn_usb_rxeof calls athn_usb_rx_frame which itself runs ieee80211_inputm. So why is if_inputm *also* run?
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15:24 < vortexx> ssm_: I asked chatgpt to write a script that listens on tty01 and launches pppd if ppp is used to connect and otherwise spawns a getty, dunno if this would help for when you'd rather use cu over null modem vs ppp ? https://paste.centos.org/view/ec3e7c8d
15:24 < vortexx> not sure it works though
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15:45 < IcePic> vortexx: what a weird script
15:45 < IcePic> reads ten chars, compares four of them
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15:46 < IcePic> if you run cu you need to type ten chars for it to know its not ppp, then you might get a login prompt
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15:53 < vortexx> well my scripting abilities for this type of thing are next to nil and this isn't the type of thing that gets discussed on the MLs much so I decided to give AI a go. Clearly not the best 
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18:22 < passstab> Is a default install of refind likely to find my OpenBSD partition automatically?
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18:43 < passstab> I have accidentally written SystemRescueCD to my internal drive, I was dual-booting with Windows, so, hopefully, my OpenBSD partition is still intact.
18:44 < passstab> How can I boot that partition from GRUB?
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18:47 < passstab> ohh, looks not supported.
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18:49 < passstab> What should I do to get to boot my OpenBSD install?
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19:00 < passstab> My goal is to make a new ESP? What is the best way to do that? I have an OpenBSD install USB and SystemRescueCD.
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19:14 < Bradipo> passstab: I hope you're heavy into cryptography if you're making a new ESP.
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19:19 < passstab> Bradipo: I tried to install the refind with refind-install in SystemRescueCD, and it said invalid partition data.
19:21 < passstab> It also said it doesn't seem to be a vfat filesystem.
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19:29 < sibiria> you can just copy the files over to the ESP
19:30 < sibiria> no "installation" necessary in that sense
19:31 < sibiria> the ESP is just a regular partition, FAT32, with or without long filename extension (aka VFAT)
19:33 < passstab> sibiria Should I use dd for that?
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19:35 < sibiria> no. you use fdisk for it. presuming you have spare space
19:36 < passstab> sibiria where do I need spare space? I think I do.
19:37 < sibiria> anywhere on the disk. the is conventionally placed as the first partition, but it doesn't need to be
19:38 < sibiria> the ESP is*
19:38 < jonadab> If you need to resize an existing filesystem and partition to make space, that's what tools like gparted are for.
19:38 < jonadab> If you're starting with a blank disk, just use fdisk.
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19:43 < sibiria> with ffs, he can't. it cannot shrink, only grow
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20:03 < passstab> sibiria I'm in the shell on the installer. dmesg confirms that sd0 is the internal drive, but it isn't in /dev/ How do I access it with fdisk?
20:03 < sibiria> cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV sd0
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20:10 < thrig> cd && command is a bit safer in general
20:13 < passstab> sooo, I got sd0 visible from fdisk, but it doesn't show any OpenBSD partitions.
20:14 < passstab> does that mean I'm dead?
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20:24 < passstab> I'm getting scared I might have lost it. Should I take this to an expert to look at it?
20:24 < Bradipo> What does fdisk return (put on pastebin)?
20:25 < sibiria> if you're sure sd0 is currently the main disk, and you have no openbsd partition, and no backup of the partition table, then there's a high chance you're screwed
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20:27 < passstab> Bradipo the first partition is unused, with a size of 2086912, the second is EFI Sys, and then two unused ones with a size 0.
20:28 < passstab> sibiria is it even worth finding someone to take it to then?
20:28 < passstab> I had figured that because windows was first, that OpenBSD was safe from the dd.
20:29 < passstab> I think I've seen promising stuff in testdisk suggesting that it isn't gone.
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20:30 < Bradipo> I may have missed some details... did you dd your drive?
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20:31 < Bradipo> SystemRescueCD was written with dd to the *beginning* of your drive?  How big is the Windows partition?  If so, your OpenBSD partition may still be intact.
20:32 < Bradipo> You'll need to find a way to reconstruct the partition table so that you can access it though.
20:32 < passstab> Bradipo Yes, that is what I assumed.
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20:33 < Bradipo> But you said the first partition is unused?
20:33 < Bradipo> If it had Windows, how could it be unused?
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20:37 < passstab> Bradipo The size of the first one is 1 gig. I'm guessing that is systemrescuecd.
20:37 < passstab> the others have a size of 0
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20:37 < Bradipo> I see.  So you really cannot trust the size as it's likely the size of the SystemRescueCD.
20:37 < Bradipo> How big was your Windows partition?
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20:40 < Bradipo> It's very likely that your data is not lost, but you'll have to figure out how to get to that data in a non-destructive way.
20:41 < passstab> Does anyone know someone in/near philly that could help?
20:42 < passstab> I thought this would be a lot simpler, and I don't want to mess things up again.
20:42 < mischief> scan_ffs(8) could be useful
20:42 < mischief> passstab: very first rule of data recovery: make a backup
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20:43 < mischief> copy your entire disk somewhere else, and work with that
20:43 < Bradipo> Yes, scan_ffs(8) may be helpful.
20:43 < Bradipo> Second rule of data recovery is don't panic until necessary.
20:43 < Bradipo> Keep a cool head.
20:44 < Bradipo> I used to print out copies of my fdisk/disklabel configurations so I could at least reconstruct them if necessary.
20:45 < Bradipo> passstab: Speaking of backups, do you have any actual backups of the OpenBSD?
20:45 < passstab> No
20:45 < passstab> (yes, I now see that was very dumb of me.)
20:45 < Bradipo> But the kind of backup that mischief is talking about is different... the intention is that you should take a copy of the drive (using dd) and work on that copy, rather than the actual drive.  But again you have to be extremely careful not to do more damage.
20:46 < Bradipo> The trouble I see is this...
20:47 < Bradipo> scan_ffs(8) says that it only works with FFS filesystems, not FFS2.  But newfs(8) says that the default is FFS2.
20:47 < Bradipo> So, either there's some misinformation, or scan_ffs(8) won't help.
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20:48 < passstab> I tried to run scan_ffs from the installer, and I got "not found"
20:48 < Bradipo> Yeah, it won't be in the installer.
20:48 < mischief> Bradipo: that's unfortunate.
20:48 < Bradipo> mischief: Agreed.
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20:50 < Bradipo> passstab: It will definitely take some patience, but it's a useful experience if you can get through it.
20:51 < Bradipo> The first thing you need to do is figure out where your OpenBSD partition starts.
20:52 < passstab> do I do this with testdisk?
20:52 < Bradipo> testdisk might be able to figure it out.  Just don't let testdisk overwrite anything.
20:52 < Bradipo> Do you have another drive (bigger) to which you can save a copy of the busted drive?
20:52 < passstab> I'm not doing anything else until I get one.
20:53 < Bradipo> How big is the entire drive?
20:53 < passstab> It would probably make more sense to use a hard disk over an ssd for this, right?
20:54 < passstab> terabyte, not using most of it though.
20:54 < Bradipo> How big was the total amount of disk being used?
20:54 < Bradipo> I assume the layout was: Windows, EFI, OpenBSD?
20:54 < passstab> IIRC the openbsd partition itself was around 120gigs
20:55 < Bradipo> So you weren't using the full TB of disk?
20:55 < passstab> I thought that efi came first, but you might be right.
20:55 < passstab> correct.
20:55 < Bradipo> e.g. if you know that your partitions didn't occupy more than 200 GB of disk, then you could experiment with just reading the first 200GB of the disk.
20:55 < Bradipo> Then you might be able to dump it to an SSD.
20:57 < passstab> Would it need to be the first part of the disk? As I recall, about half the drive was Windows.
20:57 < Bradipo> Oh, well, never mind.
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20:58 < Bradipo> If half of the drive was Windows, that means you were using over 620GB of the disk.
20:58 < Bradipo> So you'll probably just want to get a 2TB drive and dump the entire corrupted disk to the new drive using dd.
20:58 < passstab> or, maybe it was just 500 gb.
20:59 < passstab> I would think that another 1tb would suffice. I'm certain that there was a lot of empty space at the end.
21:01 < mischief> usually ddrescue is good for this type of thing
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21:01 < Bradipo> ddrescue is good if you have bad blocks, but otherwise, BSD dd is fine.
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21:02 < Bradipo> passstab: But consider that if you want to dd a 1TB drive to a formatted filesystem on a different drive, that different drive will necessarily have to be larger.
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21:02 < Bradipo> If you're certain that the entire drive is not in use, and you can correctly guess a block that ends *beyond* the last used block on the disk, then you could get away with a partial dd.
21:03 < mischief> i'd be surprised if something didn't already exist, but you could write a program that just looks for the ffs2 magic number in the superblock
21:03 < mischief> which is what i assume scan_ffs does, but for the ffs1 magic number
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21:04 < passstab> Are there not places I could take this to get it done for me? I need this computer to work, and I'm not sure I trust myself after getting into this situation in the first place.
21:05 < passstab> even with the backup.
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21:05 < Bradipo> How many places do you think have experience with FFS2 filesystems and OpenBSD? :-)
21:06 < Bradipo> But you could certainly try.
21:06 < Bradipo> I would still make a backup of the disk before I take it to anyone.
21:07 < passstab> I didn't know the knowledge was quite that specific. :'(
21:08 < Bradipo> OpenBSD is a niche operating system.  I bet you're one of a handful in the area in which you live that runs it.
21:08 < Bradipo> At least based upon my experience---I have 0 neighbors who use it, and likely none of them even know what it is.
21:09 < Bradipo> But a professional data recovery service *might* be more aware and able to deal with it.
21:09 < passstab> I meant I didn't know that the expert would need to know OpenBSD in particular.
21:10 < Bradipo> Well, he'll need to know that the data that you're looking for is from a FFS2 partition, and I don't know how many other operating systems except OpenBSD use it.
21:12 < fro> netbsd for instance
21:13 < passstab> Great! I think there is a NetBSD data recovery guy just down the block!
21:13 < passstab> :'(
21:14 < passstab> sorry, I'll step away for a bit,
21:18 < Bradipo> passstab: This looks a lot like what you ran into: https://marc.info/?t=169577895400001&r=1&w=2
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21:21 < passstab> Bradipo thank you, and everyone here. Sorry I've been bitchy.
21:22 < passstab> I'll probably get another drive tonight, and see what I can do tomorrow.
21:22 < passstab> I'm very scared of repeating this mistake when I make the backup.
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21:57 < mischief> okay i got a little nerd sniped
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21:57 < mischief> this luajit program tries to find ffs2 slices https://gist.github.com/mischief/52f948063fb848125dc5119079a6d33d
21:57 < mischief> no refunds
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22:17 < Bradipo> I suppose another approach would be to just grep the raw disk drive for bits of data.
22:17 < Bradipo> Or even use strings.
22:18 < Bradipo> strings might be able to extract out the entire disklabel information as stored in /var/backups/disklabel.*
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22:21 < mischief> var (at least in my disklabel) comes right after / and /tmp, so its more likely to get blasted than say, /home
22:21 < Bradipo> I'm working under the assumption that a 1GB ISO image written to the beginning of the disk will have left a 120GB OpenBSD that was beyond 500GB of disk is still 100% recoverable.
22:22 < Bradipo> Given the facts, I'm going to assume that his OpenBSD system is 100% recoverable if done right.
22:22 < Bradipo> It's a bit unfortunate that scan_ffs(8) doesn't support FFS2 given that FFS2 is the default newfs format.
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22:35  * sonya checked that /var/backups is included in regular backup.. some things are never change..
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22:38 < Bradipo> I always take all of /var
22:38 < Bradipo> I suppose one should just take the entire system, disk is cheap, right?
22:39 < spuos> hey, can anyone help me write a PF config? I'm having some trouble. 
22:39 < sonya> rather (some) data are expensive.. :)
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22:42 < spuos> I have enough working to get a functional home net, but I want to set up an additional interface, which will be a DMZ 
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22:45 < vortexx> I discovered today after a thunderstorm and a powercut (yay villages) that I didn't know the mail server VM password lol. Had to try like 30 till I found the right one
22:45 < vortexx> boot password that is
22:45 < spuos> ah dang 
22:45 < vortexx> I really need a surge protector and a UPS for the homelab
22:45 < Bradipo> Yeah, cheap protection, seriously.
22:45 < vortexx> spuos: it's only for internal log mail stuff, nothing major
22:45 < spuos> I know a guy who broke his boot disk and lost his ssh key today 
22:45 < vortexx> ugh
22:46 < Bradipo> You can get a cheap UPS for $100 USD approximately.
22:46 < vortexx> this is going to be a really expensive month, maybe next month is doable
22:46 < spuos> remember: 3-2-1 3 backups, 2 offline, 1 offsite
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22:46 < spuos> you can get them cheaper, I got mine for ~40
22:47 < spuos> it's 15 mins of backup power, I just manually shut it down because I don't want to figure out how to set up UPSes 
22:47 < vortexx> I just restored the usb backup drive that had a broken WD Elements as the interface on it to a generic 3.5" drive case that presents the drive directly to smartctl, so that's one step covered
22:47 < spuos> very bad idea that defeats the purpose of one lol
22:48 < Bradipo> spuos: Yeah, I need to setup UPS monitoring...
22:48 < Bradipo> Shouldn't be hard with sensorsd(8).
22:49 < Bradipo> Assuming your UPS shows up there.
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22:49 < vortexx> I do have some offsite backup available, but I only use that for configs because it's not very big storage
22:49 < spuos> it probably does, but my server runs netbsd, while other parts of my house run linux or openbsd lol
22:49 < vortexx> (openbsd.amsterdam of course, basic config)
22:50 < Bradipo> Well, if they are all plugged into a single UPS, then SSH can orchestrate shutting the others down safely from the one that is using the UPS.
22:50 < mischief> after patiently waiting for my entire disk to be read one 8k block at a time, the program did indeed find every ffs partition https://gist.github.com/mischief/52f948063fb848125dc5119079a6d33d?permalink_comment_id=5605902#gistcomment-5605902
22:50 < spuos> dang, that's a good idea. 
22:50 < Bradipo> Impressive, now if only it were written in a *real* language.
22:51 < sibiria> Bradipo: if your openbsd thingy is something small and power-efficient, there are $40-50 mini UPSes that have enough juice to last a few hours under low load
22:51 < Bradipo> I have to sign into use Gist and read this?
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22:51 < spuos> sibiria is correct 
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22:51 < mischief> Bradipo: sorry. https://0x0.st/8Y7W.txt
22:52 < Bradipo> mischief: Actually, it's just Github being stupid.
22:52 < sibiria> no need to sign in. at least not from where i'm sitting
22:52 < Bradipo> I can view https://gist.github.com/mischief/52f948063fb848125dc5119079a6d33d and from there I see your comment.
22:52 < sibiria> and lua really is a real language :p
22:52 < spuos> anyways, I still need a PF wizard, for said UPS protected server to 
22:52 < spuos> lua is actually cooler than python, IMHO
22:53 < Bradipo> So I don't know why the full URL that you shared above would require some login information.
22:53 < sibiria> spuos: if you ask your PF question i'm sure someone who can help will chime up
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22:53 < Bradipo> Yes, lua actually looks a lot like C.
22:53 < Bradipo> Except for "while true do".
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22:53 < spuos> I did, I just figured I'd mention it again because it's about a page up now
22:53 < mischief> luajit was easiest for me to reach for, since i could paste the superblock structure from /usr/include/ufs/ffs/fs.h right into the luajit ffi and have the program frob it correctly off the disk
22:54 < spuos> Bradipo: lua has good c bindings too
22:54 < Bradipo> His question was how to do a DMZ on a different NIC.
22:54 < Bradipo> But that's a bit of a generic question...
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22:55 < Bradipo> Your additional NIC will be using a private IP?  Or do you have actual routable IPs that can be split into subnets?
22:55 < spuos> private ip range, 192.168.2 instead of .1 
22:57 < Bradipo> So obviously you will want to prevent *all* traffic coming from 192.168.2.0/24 from entering 192.168.1.0/24.
22:58 < Bradipo> I tend to prefer physical DMZs to firewall DMZs if you can manage it.
22:58 < thrig> install windows systems to marianas trench
22:58 < Bradipo> e.g. FW <==> DMZ <==> FW <==> LAN
22:59 < eea> deep and cool, could overclock
22:59 < spuos> except for the stuff that comes from the 192.168.1.0/24 range, like ssh to it 
22:59 < spuos> well, I did just move my NAS off of my firewall. Baby steps.
22:59 < Bradipo> You mean except for state?
23:00 < Bradipo> As in "return traffic"?
23:00 < spuos> yeah
23:00 < Bradipo> Sure you would want that too.
23:00 < vortexx> I'm seeing lots of models of Bluewater UPS below $100. Some at around 60$
23:00 < spuos> is that problematic? 
23:00 < vortexx> s/Bluewater/Bluewalker
23:01 < thrig> I had to write some custom software because of problems with a budget UPS pair
23:01 < spuos> FTR before this my firewall was a deprecated version of PF running on a gaming computer running netbsd and NFS (freak of nature, and all of it was on the same net)
23:02 < vortexx> thrig: that sounds fun, I'll try to avoid that step
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23:03 < thrig> they identified the same over USB so you had to plug them into two different servers, and then two different computers needed to figure out if one or both of the UPS were dead
23:03 < Bradipo> Hahaha, is that a bug in their USB implementation?
23:03 < Bradipo> That's terrible.
23:04 < thrig> probably. they also shipped with 10 year old 32-bit linux drivers
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23:04 < Bradipo> Or maybe just a sloppy USB ID assigment?
23:04 < Bradipo> Not making their devices unique.
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23:07 < vortexx> thrig: which brand was this?
23:08 < vortexx> I see APC has apcupsd to help with things (server is on FreeBSD, I should really ask over there)
23:08 < spuos> anyways, my firewall went from abomination against god to a tiny openbsd on a tiny computer
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23:10 < thrig> old work notes indicate it was tripplite
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23:10 < spuos> now that I have an up to date firewall and a less janky setup I planned on doing the pf setup by myself, but I lacked the skill to set up said DMZ 
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23:11 < spuos> I had issues first because my old PF was deprecated and missing macros and stuff, but it seems to also be a skill issue
23:11 < vortexx> thrig: thanks
23:11 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/nut-restart.txt
23:12 < vortexx> traceroute6 insomni.st
23:12 < vortexx> oops
23:12 < vortexx> bloody wayland
23:12 < vortexx> still getting used to three finger paste vs two
23:12 < spuos> what did it do? 
23:12 < spuos> ah I see
23:12 < spuos> are you using sway as well? 
23:13 < vortexx> no this laptop runs ubuntu as the daily driver. I do have OpenBSD on it but wifi doesn't work (AX500)
23:13 < vortexx> so it's gnome3 with ubuntu tweaks
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23:14 < spuos> makes sense
23:15 < vortexx> well it did have X11 but I have had a failed upgrade and had to reinstall... And I am not happy with it either. But that's a conversation for #openbsd-social
23:15 < mischief> *three* fingers? sheesh
23:16 < mischief> i just middle click :v
23:16 < vortexx> been doing 2 fingers for over a decade
23:16 < vortexx> maybe 2 decades even
23:17 < vortexx> (probably not, cos touchpads sucked back in 2005)
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23:36 < vortexx> spuos: so go on, what hw did you choose for the tiny computer that's the new fw?
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23:45 < spuos> vortexx: it's an optiplex 5055 secondhand
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23:47 < vortexx> not the smallest but looks like it can do the job.
23:48 < vortexx> can it use the full bandwidth of the connection when running pf and passing packets? (speedtest-cli will help to find out)
23:48 < spuos>  yeah, it's better than the RGB ATX that was the previous firewall
23:49 < spuos> yeah, I have a slow network anyways, so I can't push it hard. 1GB ethernet .
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