--- Log opened Thu Jun 05 00:00:54 2025 00:04 -!- spacemonkey [~zack@user/nodelay] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:08 -!- izder456 [~izder456@syn-035-148-122-041.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:10 -!- zayd [~zayd@user/zayd] has joined #openbsd 00:14 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 00:15 -!- nmdw [~nmdw@user/nmdw] has joined #openbsd 00:17 < spuos> scratch that, I just need help with 3 lines of PF now 00:17 < spuos> unknown syntax errors 00:19 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has joined #openbsd 00:19 < thrig> do we get to see those lines, or what? 00:21 < spuos> nope, I fixxed them :) 00:21 < spuos> wait a second, thrig? 00:26 < passstab> I just got a 2tb external drive to backup my 1 tb internal drive before I try to fix the internal one. 00:27 < spuos> now it's just broken :) I guess I need someone to tell me why packets don't exit the firewall 00:27 < passstab> Do I need to do anything special for this, or is it just a normal dd? 00:27 < thrig> add more logging to the rules 00:28 < spuos> dd is fine, you can get the data back out of that 00:28 < spuos> but that's only if there isn't anything else on the new drive 00:29 < passstab> It is brand new 00:29 < spuos> yeah go for it 00:30 < passstab> Should I set the block size? 00:30 < spuos> yeah. What to? I don't know, but something will make it faster 00:33 < thrig> one method is to time different block sizes and use the fasterest one 00:33 < passstab> Also, there isn't a flag to make dd show progress as it goes on OpenBSD, right? 00:34 < spuos> that's a gnu extension, yea 00:34 < spuos> h 00:35 < emmanuelux> use dump too to backup 00:35 < passstab> Just because I am paranoid after messing with dd before. "if={drive I want to back up}" is the drive I want to backup, and "of={drive I am using for backup}" right? 00:36 < spuos> yep 00:36 < spuos> input file, output file 00:36 < spuos> and because it's UNIX, everything is a file 00:36 < passstab> emmanuelux: I'm guessing I need a working partition scheme for that to be useful? 00:36 < thrig> excepting shared memory and so forth 00:37 -!- oraculo [~mirc-rc@179.235.202.169] has quit [Quit: )] 00:37 < spuos> thrig: shush. shared memory doesn't exist 00:38 < spuos> I'm dd ing you to /dev/null for that 00:38 < thrig> shmat(2) 00:38 < vortexx> passstab: yes dd if=/dev/sd0c of=/dev/sd2c or whatever your drive is. I wouldn't bother setting blocksizes, you want an identical image 00:38 < vortexx> s/your drive/your external drive 00:39 < spuos> actually, bs is the size in blocks it moves it as, but it writes to disk on the same hardware size 00:39 < vortexx> you'll have to be patient, I hope this is usb3 and all that 00:39 < passstab> I set bs=1M 00:39 < spuos> it's identical and all, just faster depending on the hdd's builtin cache and stuff 00:39 < spuos> 1m is probably ideal 00:40 < passstab> It is USB3, but the external drive is an hdd. 00:40 < passstab> thank you 00:41 < vortexx> fingers crossed it works normally. There's very little reason it shouldn't 00:42 < vortexx> passstab: how old was the OpenBSD install? 00:42 < vortexx> as in how many releases ago was it put on the disk 00:46 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:46 -!- sunwind [~paradox@gateway/vpn/pia/sunwind] has joined #openbsd 00:46 -!- anelli [~anelli@user/macarona] has joined #openbsd 01:00 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has quit [Quit: au revoir] 01:05 -!- gce108_ [~gce@user/gce108] has joined #openbsd 01:05 -!- gce108 [~gce@user/gce108] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:13 -!- gce108_ [~gce@user/gce108] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:17 -!- alloutofnickels [~alloutofn@user/alloutofnickels] has joined #openbsd 01:19 -!- gce108 [~gce@user/gce108] has joined #openbsd 01:25 < alloutofnickels> im looking for the default plain X keyboard shortcuts. im not finding it so far. for example, CTRL+A goes to the beginning of the line. i'm looking for where the keyboard shortcuts are defined but i'm not finding it so far. does anyone know or have a relevant man page they can point me too? 01:26 < mischief> 'X' has none, they're implemented by each client. did you mean Xterm? or your shell.. or..? 01:29 < alloutofnickels> my bad. i'm running TWM and various whatever applications (based on what I need to do). so for example, CTRL+A seems pretty universal for going to the beginning of the line. i realized this by muscle memory and trying to select all. however, i'm also doing something a bit different than what i usually do here by using only plain TWM and not installing any other WM or DE. eventually i will replace the various applications with Tcl/Tk 01:29 < alloutofnickels> ones that are purpose made to work in this environment, however i wanted to know what default hotkeys are so i can work with the environment rather than define my own based on whatever i come up with 01:31 < alloutofnickels> it doesnt matter if it is xedit or firefox or even this very basic text editor i just whipped up this morning, CTRL+A goes to the beginning of the line. this leads me to believe there are defaults that i'm having trouble finding despite searching through various docs 01:32 < alloutofnickels> if X itself has none, maybe this is something done through xenodm, so i'll go through more of the docs specific to that after dinner 01:33 < pardis> firefox uses gtk defaults, I think, which OpenBSD configures to be more like Unix and less like Windows (though I don't recall if that's a build-time setting or a config file) 01:34 < pardis> I would expect xedit to follow unixy conventions, where ^A means beginning of line 01:35 < mischief> xedit use Xaw, X Athena Widgets 01:35 -!- leah2 [~leah@vuxu.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:35 -!- betabug [~betabug@betabug.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:35 -!- armin [~armin@zero.m2m.pm] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:36 < mischief> https://man.openbsd.org/Xaw 01:36 < mischief> > The Text widget's default key bindings were originally based on the Emacs text editor. In this release, even more operations familiar to Emacs users have been added. New text actions include: 01:36 < mischief> :-) 01:41 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd 01:42 -!- stgl [~stgl@2a03:b0c0:3:d0::cad:a001] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 01:47 -!- naoki [~Thunderbi@240f:10b:7440:1:15ee:9354:f40b:78f8] has joined #openbsd 01:52 -!- armin [~armin@zero.m2m.pm] has joined #openbsd 01:55 -!- leah2 [~leah@vuxu.org] has joined #openbsd 01:56 -!- betabug [~betabug@betabug.ch] has joined #openbsd 01:57 -!- cavecanem [~cavecanem@user/cavecanem] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:00 < tvtoon> actually, X11 do got some 02:00 < tvtoon> but you have to enable them on your config, modern ones come with them disabled by default 02:00 -!- frogprog [~frogprog@user/frogprog] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:00 -!- frogprog [~frogprog@user/frogprog] has joined #openbsd 02:01 < tvtoon> anything else you have been typing is about windows manager 02:04 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@115.132.140.246] has joined #openbsd 02:05 < alloutofnickels> ok thanks, that gives me something more to go on here. I have been specifically avoiding anything Gtk/Qt, etc. with the exception of Tcl/Tk (because it's just so damn convenient) and anything that doesn't have much of an alternative (i.e. web). i did fart around with some athena widgets programming but it took a lot of translating old examples to at least ansi C to get anywhere. i'll do some more digging, thanks folks. 02:06 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:07 < mischief> i found Xaw excruciating to make work the way i wanted when i tried it recently 02:07 < mischief> i gave up, eventually 02:08 < mischief> specifically, doing widget layout and making it look and behave not jank with e.g. resizing is difficult 02:09 -!- nickisabix_ [~nickisabi@2607:fb90:c924:8a4f::af78] has joined #openbsd 02:11 -!- nickisabix_ [~nickisabi@2607:fb90:c924:8a4f::af78] has quit [Client Quit] 02:14 -!- moko [~rusty2@sys3.eientei.ra.yakumo.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:16 -!- spuos [~spuos@syn-024-183-147-198.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:17 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in] 02:17 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has joined #openbsd 02:18 -!- moko [~rusty2@sys3.eientei.ra.yakumo.ch] has joined #openbsd 02:22 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:24 -!- cavecanem [~cavecanem@user/cavecanem] has joined #openbsd 02:39 -!- ohmyplan9 [~ohmyplan9@user/ohmyplan9] has joined #openbsd 02:41 < alloutofnickels> i was more flexible on that. i didn't really care as long as it did what i wanted. i tried it with a simple launcher and it worked well enough. but tcl/tk is so much faster to prototype in i went back to that. i try to avoid going outside of base as much as possible, but that's a worthy and lightweight exception 02:46 -!- ohmyplan9 [~ohmyplan9@user/ohmyplan9] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:50 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:1100:cc00::1c19] has joined #openbsd 02:54 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.201] has joined #openbsd 02:54 -!- zip100- [~zip100@193.32.248.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:55 -!- ohmyplan9 [~ohmyplan9@user/ohmyplan9] has joined #openbsd 02:55 -!- ohmyplan9 [~ohmyplan9@user/ohmyplan9] has left #openbsd [] 02:55 -!- unixpro1970 [~unixpro19@c-67-168-188-36.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 02:58 -!- dogg0 [~dogg0@user/dogg0] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:59 -!- nmdw [~nmdw@user/nmdw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:01 -!- dogg0 [~dogg0@user/dogg0] has joined #openbsd 03:10 -!- szilard_ [~szilard@1F2EF856.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 03:11 -!- szilard [~szilard@1F2EFD87.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:14 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has quit [Quit: "Crapappens"] 03:26 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has joined #openbsd 03:37 -!- ixc [~x@user/ixc] has joined #openbsd 03:42 -!- Zeftax [~Zeftax@user/Zeftax] has joined #openbsd 03:52 -!- Guest45 [~Guest45@175.176.36.150] has joined #openbsd 03:53 -!- Guest45 [~Guest45@175.176.36.150] has quit [Client Quit] 03:55 -!- fluffery [~quassel@user/fluffery] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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For now I use gtk2 version but I'd prefer to use Athena so I could get the last of gtk off my system. 05:58 -!- cantelope [uid598105@id-598105.hampstead.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:59 < usagi_mimi> I can't really ditch emacs because I use it for viewing a lot of document types that aren't well supported by anything else like .cbz/.cbr. It's actually much lighter than the only other software in ports for that purpose (calibre). Calibre pulls in half of the known world to simply unzip+display some images. I wrote a better viewer in like 200 lines of elisp in under an hour. 06:00 < usagi_mimi> same goes for nov.el vs. any other ebook viewer I've tried. 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I saw driver support for ure(4) and uaq(4). 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Does anyone have some ideas ? Thanks in advance ! 17:15 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:1100:cc00::1c19] has joined #openbsd 17:16 < Bradipo> What are the permissions on / or /etc ? 17:16 < Bradipo> What about lsattr /etc/resolv.conf ? 17:16 < xs> ah /etc misses the x, that may be why ! 17:16 < lts> OpenBSD probably doesn't have lsattr :-) 17:17 < xs> that was it, thanks you :) 17:17 < Bradipo> OpenBSD does have lsattr. 17:17 < Bradipo> It also has chattr. 17:17 < Bradipo> Oh you're right, it's not in base. 17:17 < Bradipo> Silly me. 17:18 < Bradipo> I was thinking of chflags 17:18 < pardis> if your /etc is missing +x, I'd be concerned about what happened to your filesystem and what else is missing 17:18 < Bradipo> So you would want ls -o to get the flags. 17:19 < xs> I feel dumb to not have verified /etc haha, in fact now I know where it comes from 17:20 -!- uncleyear [~ian@178.66.129.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21 -!- uncleyear [~ian@178.66.129.10] has joined #openbsd 17:23 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 17:25 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has joined #openbsd 17:31 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has joined #openbsd 17:32 < passstab> I just had the backup running all night, then I unplugged the power cord, and forgot to plug it back in. 17:32 < passstab> Should I start over? Or is there a way to resume where I left off? 17:32 < lts> You'll have to be more specific about "the backup" 17:32 < passstab> I was using dd to backup my internal drive. 17:33 < Bradipo> There's not way to resume dd unless you know where it left off. 17:34 < Bradipo> lts: passstab had a major incident with his hard drive. He accidentally overwrote the first 1GB of the drive with an ISO image. 17:34 < Bradipo> Fortunately the OpenBSD partition is way beyond the 1GB, but the partition table is trashed. 17:35 < Bradipo> So he's trying to make a backup image of his hard drive to risk further damage while attempting to recover from it. 17:35 < passstab> How long should I expect it to take? I have a 1 tb drive going to a 2tb drive over usb 3.1 and the external is listed as up to 130 mbps. 17:36 < thrig> backing up the disklabel info elsewhere is sometimes handy, says captain hindsight 17:36 < Bradipo> It might actually be possible to find the disklabel info just using strings... 17:37 < Bradipo> strings /dev/rsd1c for example, might just turn up a copy of the disklabel that's backed up in /var/backups 17:38 < mischief> passstab: systat, or say, pv, or.. a number of things would tell you the transfer rate while its running 17:38 < Bradipo> Or you could just use ^T to output the status. 17:38 < Bradipo> dd will report it's current rate, which you can then use to calculate the time. 17:38 < passstab> Bradipo: strings doesn't seem to be in the installer. 17:39 < Bradipo> Oh you're doing this from the installer... 17:39 < Bradipo> If I were you, I would install OpenBSD to a thumbdrive and boot that, so you get a complete system. 17:39 -!- o0x1eef [~user@user/o0x1eef] has joined #openbsd 17:39 < Bradipo> But be sure to disconnect your hard drive to avoid accidentally installing to it. 17:40 < Bradipo> But if strings isn't in the installer, at least you can do: stty status ^T 17:40 < Bradipo> Before you start dd. 17:40 < Bradipo> Then you can press ctrl-t to get the current status. 17:40 < passstab> ooh, at least I could do that usb install on the t480 where the internal isn't important. 17:40 < Bradipo> And in case you don't know, ^T is a single character, not a ^ and a T. You obtain that single character by pressing ctrl-v ctrl-t 17:41 < passstab> hmm, what does it mean in general? I knew what the symbol meant, but not the command. 17:42 < Bradipo> Well, when dd is running, it's sometimes nice to know the rate at which it's transfering. 17:42 < passstab> oh, it is dd specific? 17:43 < Bradipo> It will report some information when it receives a SIGINFO signal. 17:43 < Bradipo> You can obtain that by using the "status" setting with stty: http://man.openbsd.org/dd 17:43 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44 -!- amadaluzia_ [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 17:44 < Bradipo> That allows you to figure out how long it's going to take. 17:45 -!- uncleyear [~ian@178.66.129.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45 < passstab> cool, I'll remember that one. 17:45 < Bradipo> Well, you should do it now. 17:45 < Bradipo> If you have to restart dd, you might as well do it now so you can monitor the progress. 17:46 < Bradipo> stty -a will show the current definition of status (typically undefined). 17:46 < passstab> I should wait until that is done before messing with "strings"? 17:46 < Bradipo> And you can set it by doing: stty status ctrl-v ctrl-t 17:47 < Bradipo> Well, strings is read-only, so it won't hurt anything. 17:47 < Bradipo> But your first goal should be to make a backup copy. 17:47 -!- uncleyear [~ian@178.66.129.10] has joined #openbsd 17:47 < Bradipo> I presume you have a second drive and you have formatted it with newfs and are now attempting to create an image of the old drive and writing it to that new filesystem? 17:48 < Bradipo> e.g. dd if=/dev/rsd1c bs=1m of=/mnt/newdrive/oldrive.img 17:48 < Bradipo> Or something like that? 17:48 < passstab> I didn't format it, but I got it new. 17:49 < Bradipo> So you were planning on just writing the disk from one to the other? 17:49 < passstab> yes 17:50 < Bradipo> Ok, I suppose that works too. 17:50 < passstab> wasn't that the idea? 17:50 < passstab> should I specifically format it? 17:50 < Bradipo> Yeah, that should work. 17:50 < Bradipo> Well you would only format it if you want to read the disk as an image instead of just the raw disk device. 17:50 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:51 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has joined #openbsd 17:52 < passstab> Bradipo: I'm sorry, what does that distinction mean? 17:52 < Bradipo> Well, the distinction is that one is a file that you can treat as a file. 17:52 -!- Guest47 [~textual@2409:40d1:88:5622:c9b:d7ef:bc09:78e1] has joined #openbsd 17:52 < Bradipo> The other requires accessing a raw disk. 17:53 < Bradipo> Whichever is easiest for you to work with. 17:53 < Bradipo> Just *don't* overwrite the disk you're trying to recover! 17:54 < passstab> I would probably prefer the image then, right? 17:55 -!- izder456 [~izder456@syn-035-148-122-041.res.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 17:56 < Bradipo> You choose which is easier for you to manage. 17:56 < Bradipo> But whatever you do, make sure you're 100% certain of the commands you run before starting them. 17:56 < lts> Stupid question but.. why are you doing this? Isn't the first 1GB usually the / partition, and anything worth retrieving is in other partitions? 17:56 < Bradipo> lts: It was dual-boot. 17:56 < Bradipo> The first partition was Windows. 17:56 -!- xse [~xse@krkrkr.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56 < Bradipo> OpenBSD comes much later on the drive, but the partition table is hosed, so he needs to find the partition table and reconstruct it. 17:57 -!- xse [~xse@krkrkr.org] has joined #openbsd 17:57 < passstab> Bradipo: yes, I literally came in here checking that I had the right dd syntax even though I'm well aware what of and if stand for. 17:57 < Bradipo> Yep, if you need to, share some dmesg output and sysctl hw.disknames output on a pastebin. 17:58 < Bradipo> Then we can at least concur that your dd command is correct. 17:58 < passstab> Are there any particular differences in the install if I'm putting openbsd on a flash drive? 17:58 < Bradipo> But if you already started it last night, then really we must trust that you got it right last night. :-) 17:58 < Bradipo> Not really. Just go with the defaults for installation and it should be fine. 17:59 < passstab> doesn't mean I'll get it right this time. 17:59 < pardis> you can probably "resume" a dd by guessing at where it might have got up to, comparing some of the data on the two disks around that offset, and if it matches then carry on from that point 18:01 < Bradipo> Right, I mentioned the possibility of resume, but I wouldn't recommend it at this point. Information overload may set in. :-) 18:02 -!- eki [~eki@159-255-247-158.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:02 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@156.59.50.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:04 -!- izder456 [~izder456@syn-035-148-122-041.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04 -!- izder456 [~izder456@syn-035-148-122-041.res.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 18:04 < passstab> yea, I appreciate pardis' advice, but I don't need to make things harder, even at the expense of time. Also, guessing the offset would have been an absurd task. I don't remember when I started. 18:05 < Bradipo> passstab: So you're current plan is? 18:06 < passstab> before I start the next backup, I'm trying to install openbsd on a thumb drive. 18:07 < IcePic> wonder if scanffs can find the partitions? 18:07 < Bradipo> Nope. 18:07 < IcePic> ok 18:07 < Bradipo> scan_ffs doesn't support FFS2 apparently. 18:08 -!- izder456 [~izder456@syn-035-148-122-041.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08 < Bradipo> mischief wrote a FFS2 scanner in luajit though. :-) 18:08 < Bradipo> Might work if he wanted to try it. 18:08 < passstab> I thought that I could then attempt the strings thing with the backup on the offchance that it got enough of the drive in my first attempt. 18:08 -!- izder456 [~izder456@static-68-235-46-218.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #openbsd 18:09 < Bradipo> Well, keep in mind that strings will take a long time and produce a lot of noise. 18:09 < mischief> this is why i mentioned ddrescue, because it *does* support resumes, as long as you keep the map file it produces. 18:10 < Bradipo> You could try strings on a working device to see if the approach will even work as expected. 18:10 < mischief> IcePic: https://gist.github.com/mischief/52f948063fb848125dc5119079a6d33d 18:11 < Bradipo> And those are the block offsets that could be used to create a new disklabel, right? 18:11 < mischief> unfortunately since the program was written in 20 minutes and is very dumb, they are the absolute blocks 18:12 < mischief> it does not account for the offset of the start of the disklabel (e.g, ESP if there's one at the start of the disk) 18:12 < Bradipo> Ahh. 18:14 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:14 < Bradipo> Well, even knowing the absolute, in theory it should be possible to use dd to extract one of the partitions to a file and then use vnconfig to attach the file as a disk and then mount that? 18:15 < mischief> yes, or write it into disk freshly formatted with disklabel 18:15 < Bradipo> e.g. we know that / is at 2112 and the next partition is at 18966080, so we could extract from 2112 to 18966080 into a file image and mount that image. 18:15 < mischief> yep 18:16 < mischief> totally doable with a little math and unix-fu 18:16 < Bradipo> Yeah, that too would work I suppose. Format a new disk with disklabel with the exact same sizes and then write the chunks into the respective partitions. 18:16 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 18:17 < Bradipo> It wouldn't likely be bootable at that point, but it would still be possible to mount everything up from a booted OpenBSD and use dump/restore or tar to copy the data out to a new system. 18:19 -!- down200- [~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:20 -!- down200 [~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu] has joined #openbsd 18:21 -!- izder456 [~izder456@static-68-235-46-218.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:21 -!- vyv [~vyv@76.65.8.247] has joined #openbsd 18:29 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:31 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has joined #openbsd 18:32 -!- oraculo [~mirc-rc@179.235.202.169] has joined #openbsd 18:32 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@156.59.50.245] has joined #openbsd 18:33 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:36 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2] 18:36 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:37 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has joined #openbsd 18:38 < passstab> Bradipo would it be smarter to just do a backup again instead of trying strings first? Would strings take about as long as the backup itself? 18:38 < Bradipo> Yes, strings would take as long as the backup itself, likely. 18:39 < passstab> Actually, I could do strings on the internal drive, which would probably take a reasonable amount of time. 18:39 < Bradipo> Is the internal drive the corrupted one? 18:40 < Bradipo> Or is that just your "control" drive to see if the approach will result in useful data? 18:40 < passstab> but I shouldn't use it to change anything until I have a backup anyway. 18:40 < passstab> the internal one is the one I messed up, yes. 18:40 < sonya> all of this dd horrors urge me to repartition working system.. err.. 18:41 < Bradipo> Sure, you could use strings while your installation is going or whatever. 18:41 < Bradipo> You need to know what you're looking for... 18:42 < passstab> What am I looking for? 18:42 < Bradipo> If you look at dmesg output, you should be able to find some information that *might* show up in the disklabel "label". 18:42 < Bradipo> For example, my dmesg includes: sd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: 18:43 < Bradipo> And ST250DM000-1BD14 is part of my disklabel "label": 18:43 < Bradipo> label: ST250DM000-1BD14 18:43 < Bradipo> Where are you going to write the strings output to? 18:44 < passstab> I don't know. 18:44 < Bradipo> strings could potentially output a lot of data. 18:44 < Bradipo> If you format that second drive, the 2TB, you could write the strings output to a file there and then use grep to look for disklabel type information. 18:45 -!- Lagrima [~Slesa@85.95.216.35] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- Traene [~Slesa@85.95.216.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46 < passstab> my thumb drive, that I'm in the process of installing OpenBSD on, is 64 gb. 18:46 < Bradipo> Well, that isn't likely big enough to hold potentially > 64 gigabytes of printable characters. 18:47 < IcePic> one can strings |gzip > usb-stick-fs 18:47 < Bradipo> Also, keep in mind that the disklabel output may be chopped up. 18:47 < Bradipo> e.g. strings is going to be reading raw blocks of data and won't follow inode references. 18:47 < Bradipo> So if your file is in chunks you'll have to get clever. 18:48 < Bradipo> But I did just run "strings /dev/rsd1e" as a proof of concept and I'm able to see my disklabel there, but it's chopped up. 18:48 < Bradipo> Actually, I take that back, it's not chopped, it's just not very big. :-) 18:49 < Bradipo> Yes, as long as multi-gigabyte output compresses nicely that would work too. 18:49 < Bradipo> Or you could just pipe to less and hope for the best. 18:51 -!- Guest47 [~textual@2409:40d1:88:5622:c9b:d7ef:bc09:78e1] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:51 < Bradipo> Once you have the complete disklabel you should be able to recreate it and mount the partitions for recovery. 18:51 < Bradipo> So given that strings is read-only, you might just take a chance without making a backup first. 18:52 < jxl> take a chance, guy! take it! 18:52 < jxl> i mean, what could go wrong?! 18:53 < Bradipo> Well, there is a real risk that the dd command is used incorrectly. :-) 18:53 < Bradipo> It was done already once, that's how the disk got into this bad state. 18:53 < Bradipo> 'Tis a pity that hard drives don't have read-only switches like SD cards do. 18:53 < Bradipo> Maybe they do have a read-only jumper somewhere. 18:54 -!- jxl [~jxl@user/jxl] has quit [Quit: Went off to take chances. 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I used autoconf for 4 and 6 on em0, and it didn't return errors. 19:26 -!- eirian [eirian@user/eirian] has joined #openbsd 19:28 < passstab> I guess I just need to start over. It's annoying because the installer is stupid slow on my t480. 19:28 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has joined #openbsd 19:29 < Bradipo> No need to start over. 19:29 < Bradipo> At least not to reboot. 19:29 < Bradipo> Before you do though, you should drop to a shell and see what ifconfig says. 19:29 < passstab> so exit the installer? 19:30 < passstab> isn't that starting over? 19:31 < Bradipo> Yes, that will start the installer over. 19:31 < Bradipo> I thought by "start over" you meant reboot. 19:32 -!- Poltawer [~xt003@user/Poltawer] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3] 19:32 -!- kfv [~kfv@5.62.228.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33 < passstab> ugh, ifconfig shows it is working. 19:34 -!- kfv [~kfv@ip176.ip-87-98-139.eu] has joined #openbsd 19:35 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:36 < Bradipo> Do you have a default route? 19:36 < luser9> is it dns or route! 19:37 < Bradipo> That would be my next check. 19:37 < jxl> the route! is there a default for it?! 19:37 < Bradipo> route -n show -inet (assuming IPv4). 19:38 < passstab> I'm getting quadruple digit ping times to google 19:39 < Bradipo> But you were able to ping by DNS name? 19:39 < Bradipo> Does seem like a problem with your network (or something in the network). 19:39 < Bradipo> Don't have an IP conflict do you? 19:40 < passstab> ping google.com works, and isn't really slow. 19:40 < mischief> i can ping your (last known from irc) ip with 78ms, pretty normal for cross-us latency 19:40 < jxl> passstab: traceroute that same host, just to see where on the path it lags 19:41 < Bradipo> passstab: Isn't slow? I thought you said there were quadruple digit ping times... 19:42 < passstab> it was different. to be fair, my first ping was to 8.8.8.8 19:42 < Bradipo> That's a good test. 19:42 < Bradipo> To see if latency to DNS lookups is an issue. 19:42 < Bradipo> If you're using 8.8.8.8 that is (which I don't normally recommend). 19:43 < passstab> I'm not, it is just a valid IP that I can remember. 19:43 < jxl> I point to 1.1.1.1, just to stick it to google 19:44 < jxl> (and it's easier to type, given I can miss the 8 for a 7 or 9 sometimes) 19:44 < passstab> ugh, this installer is unusably slow, I might need to do this on my main machine. 19:44 < mischief> copying sets or something else 19:44 < Bradipo> Actually, it's most likely the USB drive that is slow. :-) 19:44 < passstab> I might just buy a faster drive and try this all again tomorrow. 19:44 < Bradipo> You could install to the new 2T drive. 19:44 < jxl> yeah, dude, banging on a flash thumbdrive isn't a great idea. 19:45 < Bradipo> jxl: It makes for an alright recovery tool though. 19:45 -!- kodcode [~kodcode@user/kodcode] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:45 < jxl> sure, but install on a reasonable system and then clone onto the thumb 19:45 < mischief> i normally just boot cd.iso and use sets from a mirror 19:46 < Bradipo> If the new 2T drive is installed on the same system as the old drive, you might want to first unplug the old drive. 19:46 < passstab> The problem is that I think my 64gig one is reasonably fast, but the installer itself is on a usb2 drive. 19:46 < Bradipo> Ahh. 19:46 < Bradipo> Well, still, I wouldn't think the installer to be that slow, but who knows. 19:46 < Bradipo> It does load into a ramdisk. 19:46 < passstab> which I don't think was this slow when I was using the other machine. 19:46 < mischief> well, that answers that 19:47 < passstab> if it puts it on rd, then I really should use the other one. 19:47 < mischief> my advice: throw usb 2.0 disks in the trash 19:47 < passstab> unfortunately, I don't have much more time for this at the moment. 19:48 -!- absc [absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055::101] has joined #openbsd 19:48 < passstab> I guess I'll set up the backup before I leave for the day. 19:48 < passstab> and I won't get to do strings 19:49 < anelli> hi people. whenever i send emails as the root user they get sent with a 'From' field of my own user. i found out that i can do `mail -r root@mydomain.tld ...' to fix it but i'd like to set it up for all mails coming from root including reports. so i added `from root@mydomain.tld' to /root/.mailrc but whenever i send mail from it i get `May not execute "from" while sending'. this started happening after i've setup a mail server on this machine but i'm not sur 19:50 < passstab> Thank you very much, I hope I can pick this up tomorrow. :'( 19:51 < jxl> passstab: come back around now, ya hear 19:51 < jxl> anelli: 'from' doesn't do what you expect in mailrc. it '(f) Takes a list of messages and prints their message headers.' 19:54 < anelli> jxl: idk it says this under `Mail options': `from Causes mail to use the specified sender address in the “From:”-' 19:56 -!- moko [~rusty2@sys3.eientei.ra.yakumo.ch] has quit [Changing host] 19:56 -!- moko [~rusty2@user/scuttlecell] has joined #openbsd 19:57 < jxl> oh shi- yeah, sorry, was looking at the wrong section. 19:57 -!- passstab [~passstab@71.224.209.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:58 < anelli> no worrie. there's another option up there with the same name yeah 19:59 -!- SirJitsu1 [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:59 -!- Lagrima [~Slesa@85.95.216.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- Nei [~ailin@openSUSE/member/ailin-nemui] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- Nei_ [~ailin@openSUSE/member/ailin-nemui] has joined #openbsd 20:01 -!- Nei_ is now known as Nei 20:05 -!- labrnth [~cjones@209.121.240.59] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in] 20:07 -!- labrnth [~cjones@209.121.240.59] has joined #openbsd 20:14 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1001:bbd4:578a:ba6b:96c3:2a46] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14 -!- zippy [~quassel@188.27.47.195] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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