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09:12 < darknight_76> I have a question about tweaking performance on my thinkpad x220.  I have set both apm and obsdfreqd, but I am curious as to why my machine is running 10 degree C hotter at idle compared to running Linux.  Is there anything I can do to improve performance and cpu temp?  Tia.
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09:23 < ssm_> darknight_76: I think you're only supposed to use only obsdfreqd OR apmd, not both
09:24 < darknight_76> oh, I have seen online guides that advocate for both.  I presume, probably wrongly, that apmd would make the most sense for a notebook?
09:24 < ssm_> check `sysctl hw.{cpuspeed,setperf,perfpolicy}`
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09:25 < ssm_> I forget the exact difference since it's been a while since I used obsdfreqd, but it just gives you some more control over things from what I remember
09:26 < ssm_> these days I just use default apmd flags which defaults to automatic frequency control
09:26 < ssm_> or high when plugged into AC (maybe that's what you're seeing)
09:26 < darknight_76> sysctl says cpu at 80o which is lowest setting, but fan rpm never drops below 2450 even at idle.
09:27 < darknight_76> i will try disabling obsdfreqd
09:27 < ssm_> any processes with weird cpu time in top or ps?
09:28 < darknight_76> no, everything in top is fine.  I have heard that on the x220 in version 6.7 it was running cool, then devs did something and since then it runs 'hot'.
09:29 < ssm_> could be intel spectre mitigations (another one came out recently)
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09:31 < darknight_76> oh right....maybe they will address it in future releases.  
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10:26 < DanucD> which forum software is well compatible with openbsd and obsd's httpd? phpbb or fluxbb or SMF? also consider the security issue
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10:30 < sibiria> either. they're not linux-centric. they run on PHP and mysql/mariadb
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10:38 < DanucD> all right.May I ask  what's the most important factor while maintaining a security-oriented openbsd server (instead of linux)? been learning openbsd for a little while . It's an interesting  operating system. I'm a BSD newbie. Already asked AI , but those are answers without real, useful information
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10:39 < byteskeptical> DanucD: read the man pages for up to date useful information
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10:40 < DanucD> ok
10:40 < sibiria> i would say the main aspects are the same
10:41 < DanucD> all right. I probably know what they are
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11:00 < andreas303> Hi folks! I'm using Gentoo but I want to try to browse my manual pages from my web browser by using mandoc, and I've understood that mandoc is developed in the OpenBSD community (the irc channel #mandoc didn't exist). Is it possible to setup man.cgi as a web server that automatically convert .bz2-compressed man pages on-the-fly while browsing through them using hyperlinks?
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11:04 < andreas303> I've read that mandoc cannot convert .bz2 man pages to html, but it seems to work if I first decompress them. So, I suspect that I need to combine the docman functionality with bunzip2, in some way.
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11:23 < brynet> andreas303: https://mandoc.bsd.lv/contact.html
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11:26 < mischief> huh, didnt know that kristaps also wrote mandoc
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11:34 < rIMpossible> vortexx: It's 2016 hardware
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11:39 < andreas303> brynet: Thx! I'll try.
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11:43 < jxl> alright, this is gonna sound messed up, but hear me out. I have a clone of the src repo mirror on github at /usr/src, and my users (me, lol), use that as the origin. I want to cron a pull once every 6ish hours, but the q is: which account to use for that? defo not root, and using my own would be... odd. this is going in the system crontab, so maybe add _gitdaemon to wsrc and use that?
11:43 < jxl> _gitdaemon is not used and wont, really. this is just for local use on the machine.
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11:45 < byteskeptical> jxl: got may interest you, and you can still technically use the wsrc _pbuild groups
11:47 < byteskeptical> meaning you can still follow the setting up ports faq specifically the parts that describe the building as an unprivileged user
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12:19 < mischief> i mirrored src in a gitea instance on my local www vm
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12:34 < jxl> byteskeptical: do you mean gotd in particular or juts got?
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13:18 < farhan> I might just be missing it...but does anyone know where athn's athn_softc "sc_disable" handler is assigned?
13:20 < sibiria> if it's not the in athn(4) driver itself, a wild guess is that it might be in the 802.11 portions shared by most network drivers
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13:22 < IcePic> cd /sys/dev ; grep sc_disable $(grep -rsil sc_disable .|grep athn)
13:23 < farhan> Ohh, its pcmcia, so another file!! I was looking just in athn.c and if_usb_athn.c!
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13:23 < farhan> Thank you both!
13:23 < IcePic> np
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13:24 < farhan> Wow, I haven't even thought about cardbus in years 
13:25 < farhan> pcmcia
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13:43  * oldlaptop is down to one more-or-less-in-service laptop that even has one of those :(
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13:44 < oldlaptop> the foo bridge thinkpads don't even have expresscard/54 (as opposed to /34) for the TV tuner card
13:44 < oldlaptop> (which I don't think has ever been anywhere near openbsd support anyway)
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14:17 < rIMpossible> What is best practice for non-server machines, to ensure, that {daily|weekly|monthly}.local have been run
14:18 < rIMpossible> ?
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14:20 < sibiria> whatever works
14:20 < sibiria> let the script touch a file in your homedir when starting and removin it when it exits cleanly
14:21 < sibiria> etc-daily itself doesn't check for failure so you have to
14:22 < rIMpossible> sibiria: thank you, this would meet also my needs, to use as many tools from base, as possible.
14:24 < sibiria> as an option, you can make your daily/weekly/monthly run from the crontab, and you can get e-mail notifications for free
14:24 < sibiria> on either success or failure, or both
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14:34 < rIMpossible> sibiria: yes, I know the email output of the three scripts. But I need to read them ;)
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15:33 < vortexx> rIMpossible: if you have the daily system emails sent to whichever email address, you get status info from those
15:34 < vortexx> and I don't read those all the time but they're useful to find the source of something going wrong
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15:53 < rIMpossible> vortexx: I get you totally concerning bug hunting. For checking the execution I will check the date of the 3 logfiles and if it was not already run the same plannd day/weekday/monthday, just run it
15:53 < rIMpossible> s/plannd/planned
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18:04 < jxl> anyone here done ports of any common lisp software to openbsd?
18:04 < jxl> i'm wondering if nyxt could be made a port, but i don't really know anything about the list tool stack, nor the ports infrastructure supporting it.
18:05 < jxl> there are maybe a total of 3 or so packages in ports that are lisp related, and two of those are compilers, iirc
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18:16 < tk> Is it possible to use relayd to accept TLS connections and then connect to another server which has a different TLS certificate also utilising a client TLS certificate? 
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18:18 < sibiria> but why
18:18 < tk> i.e. client connects to relayd, establishes a TLS connection with certificate for CN relayd.domain.tld (no client certificate). relayd now connects to another host, establishes a TLS connection with certificate for CN internal.domain.tld and with a client certificate. and now relayd relays the traffic that way?
18:19 < tk> sibiria: e.g. you have a network you trust and you want to expose a service on it over TLS and then you want to connect to some remote host over an untrusted network and you want to utilise mtls to make that connection, why not?
18:20 < sibiria> yes but why build it like that, with multiple handshakes and certificate verifications
18:20 < tk> how would you build it?
18:20 < sibiria> instead of for example wireguard tunnels between your relay and inner hosts
18:20 < sibiria> a lot less messier
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18:20 < jxl> ZERO TRUST!
18:21 < tk> I mean it's just as messy either way
18:21 < tk> I feel like the mTLS way is slightly less messy in this particular scenario
18:21 < tk> and yes, it's for a zero trust network setup
18:22 < sibiria> if you don't trust the connection between relay and inner host, a pre-keyed tunnel seems a lot tidier to me
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18:22 < tk> okay, so to answer my question, relayd cannot do this?
18:22 < sibiria> sorry, no idea if it the relay-end can play two-way TLS
18:22 < sibiria> -it*
18:24 < tk> I will think about the wireguard option ... it's not a terrible idea.
18:24 < sibiria> in my opinion it's a better idea. you can keep your inner host's business end off the public internet, and you don't need to mess with certificates
18:24 < tk> It would just mean expanding the current overlay mesh which is currently external to the internal hosts as well...
18:25 < tk> I mean the inner hosts in this case are actually not on the internet
18:25 < tk> my goal is to ensure that a direct compromise of the network does not lead to a compromise of any hosts on the network.
18:25 < sibiria> in that case two-way tls makes even less sense...
18:25 < tk> In a zero trust networking sense it makes perfect sense.
18:25 < sibiria> if they live in an enclosed lan where only trusted hosts are from the start...
18:26 < sibiria> seems like circus security posturing more than solving an actual problem
18:26 < sibiria> but do give WG tunnels a try
18:26 < tk> That's called a trust relationship and modern security best practice, especially zero trust networking practices, suggest avoiding such trust relationships.
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18:27 < sibiria> yes
18:28 < tk> I mean the actual problem is that while I can put things in an enclosed lan, there's still physical cables running around the place, and potential ports which are unaccounted for, the old method for solving this is port security which is very limited, there's slightly more sophisticated options too, but there's really nothing like actually just encrypting all the communications
18:28 < tk> and requiring mutual authentication
18:28 < tk> Yeah, okay, I've thought about this a little bit now and I think the wireguard approach will probably be good enough for me.
18:28 < sibiria> it's gonna be equally good in case of mutual trust
18:29 < sibiria> off-boarding won't be as tidy as revoking a cert, but the benefits will make it worth it imo
18:30 < tk> I mean I can make it as tidy, I have worked out an automated way of maintaining the current overlay wireguard mesh network
18:31 < tk> But I have to do a bit of network redesigning
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19:05 < DanucD> Help! My OpenBSD Laptop crashed and I pressed the power button and forced it shutdown, when i start it again: /usr/local had an unexpected inconsistency , automatic file system check failed , enter shell : ksh . then what should I do to repair it or start it to the old usual?
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19:12 < DanucD> I have already repaired it with the help from AI
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19:37 < DanucD> some files have lost, can't connect to wifi. I had to reinstall openbsd :(
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19:51 < njn> im going back to stable. i dont have enough time to deal with tracking current
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19:56 < njn> might have a better experience if i was using snapshots, but building it is another story
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20:00 < weezelding> i don't follow, you don't need to build snapshots
20:01 < njn> i know, i just thought to save bandwidth, it would save time.
20:02 < njn> rather than keep having to download all the sets all the time
20:04 < oldlaptop> njn: Practically speaking, I would expect all the cvs updates to take as much or more bandwidth anyway.
20:06 < oldlaptop> Certainly I would expect the cvs updates *and* the time to build a whole release to *vastly* exceed the time it takes to download snapshots.
20:06 < njn> yeah, building takes hours
20:07 < njn> at least on this old beast
20:07 < oldlaptop> llvm going in brought that time up a fair bit
20:08 < thrig> bloaaat
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20:08 < oldlaptop> (but of course it had to be done - besides any arguments about needing a compiler from this decade, the graphics stack needs it these days)
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21:55 < vortexx> building gcc on old hw isn't a quick walk in the park either
21:55 < vortexx> current isn't for daily use unless developping OS level stuff and maybe new ports. Stable should be good enough for just about every use case
21:57 < thrig> freebsd `make world` took two weeks on an i386 33 SX
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22:19 < vortexx> and about a wekk on a 486DX2
22:19 < vortexx> back in 2000ish
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22:22 < vortexx> s/wekk/week
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