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00:45 < pardis> it is a build number, not a patch number
00:45 < pardis> it starts at 0 when a kernel is built on a machine for the first time, and is incremented for each build thereafter
00:46 < pardis> see https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/conf/newvers.sh, which both uses and updates the build version
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00:49 < luser9> ok thanks! makes sense now
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11:22 < anelli> hi people. sorry for the long message in advance i'm using the pf.os fingerprinting to restrict ssh access to openbsd and plan9 but after upgrading to the latest snapshot (OpenBSD 7.7-current (GENERIC.MP) #705 Build date: 1749399910) one of the openbsd machines started blocking traffic from 9front. i checked tcpdump and it showed that the 9front machine uses wscale 4 while pf.os has wscale 0 for plan 9. i modified pf.os on the affected machine and it works n
11:25 < anelli> hopefully my message haven't been cropped (let me know if it does). so in summary it looks like a change in 9front networking + an interaction between packets and the firewall caused this (the firewall hasn't been changed. only the obsd machines upgraded to latest snapshot and plan9 machines upgraded to latest commit)
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11:42 < IcePic> anelli: perhaps you could send a small diff to tech@ about it
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11:48 < anelli> IcePic: i was thinking of that but when i found that i couldn't reproduce it on both the gateway and the machine behind it, i started thinking it might be an issue with the gateway itself. i'll look a bit into it and post to @misc ig. thx
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11:50 < IcePic> yeah, if the box in between does things to the tcp session it will affect detection a lot
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13:53 < vortexx> anyone using unbound-adblock (from https://www.geoghegan.ca/unbound-adblock.html)? My phone claims the wifi isn't working because there are connection checking urls it can reach
13:53 < vortexx> urls which are not in the rpz
13:53 < vortexx> laptop works fine
13:53 < vortexx> (phone is on android 15)
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13:55 < dayid> I don't use android nor adblock but seems it shoulder be enough to check your unbound logs to see what that device is trying to resolve. Bumping your verbosity enough can also reveal if they are resolving for it or not.
13:57 < vortexx> ServFail q: A? connectivitycheck.gstatic.com. 0/0/0(47) (ttl 64, id 4789, len 75) <--- this url comes up a lot
13:58 < vortexx> which when I run dig on in the VM that unbound is running in, it resolves
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13:59 < vortexx> s/run dig on in the VM/run dig on it in the VM/
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14:09 < byteskeptical> vortexx: yeah you should have the necessary logs in /var/logs/unbound-adblock then just comment it out in the /var/unbound/db/adblock.rpz file if you followed the commands on his site
14:10 < sonya> anelli: here's 9front-11091 in qemu returns 'wscale = 10' (and actually nmap detects 'QEMU virtual NIC') .. real hw definitely required, imho..
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14:12 < byteskeptical> vortexx: this seems to have what your looking for: https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/10513641?hl=en
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14:13 < byteskeptical> connectivitycheck.android.com, connectivitycheck.gstatic.com, https://www.google.com/generate_204 
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14:15 < vortexx> the weird thing is there's no entries for those urls in /var/unbound/db/adblock.rpz (for ones starting with connectivity)
14:15 < vortexx> looking at that url rIMpossible thanks
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14:16 < lolok> connectivitycheck.gstatic.com gives me a 404
14:17 < sibiria> you could local-zone that host. i'd say that it keeps google's tracking off of you a bit, but then again you use android so it's a lost case :p
14:17 < sibiria> local-zone: "connectivityblah.gstatic.com." static    local-data: "ditto. 300 IN A 1.2.3.4" or whatever response it expects
14:18 < byteskeptical> vortexx: do you also use pf-badhost?
14:19 < byteskeptical> lolok: resolves for me might be your dns server
14:20 < lolok> 404 is an error you get if the connection was successful
14:20 < byteskeptical> vortexx: sibiria suggestion may be the quickest and probably easiest resolution just or create another rpz blocking pointing to a new android.rpz
14:21 < byteskeptical> lolok: makes sense I misread your message
14:22 < lolok> it sounds stilly but its actually true
14:22 < rIMpossible> Are there tools for Android to stream audio files from an OpenBSD server to it?
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14:23 < rIMpossible> sndiod > network > mobile device
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14:23 < vortexx> byteskeptical: not yet for pf-badhost
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14:24 < vortexx> sibiria: good idea, let me give that a go
14:24 < vortexx> probably better than using a whitelist for a ton of google tracking urls
14:25 < phy1729> I've run into can't connect issues with my http -> https redirecting. I spoof those checks locally now.
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14:26 < mischief> rIMpossible: stream.. files? http works.
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14:28 < vortexx> rIMpossible: pkg_add minidlna and that'll provide dlna/upnp 
14:28 < rIMpossible> vortexx: ok, will give this a try.
14:30 < rIMpossible> vortexx: how is your experience with pf-badhost ?
14:30 < rIMpossible> I used to use it 2 years ago
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14:36 < rIMpossible> vortexx: sorry, I misread
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16:48 < vortexx> mh, turning back on DoT solved all my issues
16:48 < vortexx> at least for the phone
16:50 < vortexx> now to resolve my getting nsd to speak tls
16:50 < vortexx> (or find a way to configure unbound.conf so it speaks normal dns requests when it's on localhost)
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16:54 < Bradipo> What's DoT?
16:54 < Lucas_> vortexx: there is no specification for authoritative DNS servers to speak DoT
16:54 < Lucas_> Bradipo: DNS-over-TLS
16:58 < vortexx> Lucas_: maybe, but my unbound setup (using the unbound-adblock script setup) has forward-tls-upstream: yes and tls-upstream: yes set
16:58 < vortexx> thus requests to nsd from it time out over 127.0.0.1:8053
16:58 < sibiria> it should forward to another resolver
16:59 < sibiria> not iterate on its own
16:59 < sibiria> as Lucas_ suggest, you cannot iterate with DoT on the business end
16:59 < vortexx> (just to explain further, I need nsd to serve my lan+vpn zonefiles)
16:59 < sibiria> and, really, if it's in your LAN there's no real need for DoT in there either
17:00 < sibiria> DoT is for the trip between you and external resolver on the public Internet
17:00 < vortexx> so I should just add nsd's IP:port as a forwarder?
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17:00 < sibiria> nsd is a DNS server, unbound is a resolver
17:01 < vortexx> yes I know that, but I need *something* to serve my zonefiles. I thought nsd's purpose was that
17:01 < vortexx> if I can get unbound to talk to nsd all is well
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17:03 < Lucas_> I think you need to use stub-zones in unbound.conf
17:04 < Lucas_> vortexx: ^
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17:04 < sibiria> unbound can be forced to behave a bit like a dns server. in some cases it's an ok setup
17:04 < Lucas_> I know I did what you want to do in the past, but can't remember how
17:04 < Lucas_> anyways, stub zones matches pretty much what you want to do
17:05 < vortexx> yes I have stub-zones
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17:06 < Lucas_> oh, now there is also Authority Zone Options
17:13 < vortexx> https://termbin.com/gohr my unbound.conf
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17:20 < Lucas_> vortexx: remove tls-upstream from server and add it to forward-zone instead, as forward-tls-upstream
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17:32 < vortexx> Lucas_: thanks, going to try that now
17:34 < vortexx> oh that works perfectly, thank you so much!
17:34 < vortexx> make a lot more sense
17:34 < vortexx> now to finish adding zones to nsd
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17:56 < vortexx> and with that I should be able to finally retire bind v9 and have all in base dns solution
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17:57 < DanucD> in openbsd's vmm , which linux works best? Is there a difference between different linux distributions?
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17:58  * zelest runs Arch.. some prefer Alpine..
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17:58 < DanucD> ok
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18:00 < mischief> i am fairly certain i've gotten debian to work in the past, but i do not use vmm frequently.
18:01 < eea> vortexx: welcome to the nsd dark side :) we have sanity, in dns flavor 
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18:02 < sibiria> i ran devuan and alpine in the past in vmm, these days just void
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18:05 < vortexx> thanks eea !
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18:11 < DanucD> can I change the size of the terminal window of the guest os run in vmm after "vmctl console openbsd" , I don't wanna use ssh for security concerns
18:13 < quinq> yes
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18:14 < mischief> what concern is there using an encrypted channel over localhost?
18:16 < DanucD> I'm still a newbie . I wanna learn to build a website on an openbsd runs in vmm , I'm not sure if there's security issues if I turn ssh on. But I think there is
18:17 < zelest> I think you run a bigger risk running a webserver on it. :)
18:17 < sibiria> the sshd won't be reachable from the internet unless you explicitly forward traffic to it
18:17 < zelest> but neither will be exposed to the reachable internet so.
18:18 < zelest> -reachable...
18:18 < DanucD> all right :)
18:18  * zelest can't read and write at the same time
18:18  * zelest runs on half-duplex
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18:24 < vortexx> DanucD: stty size then stty cols X rows Y to ajust
18:24 < DanucD> ok . thanks
18:26 < vortexx> you're welcome
18:27 < DanucD> sibiria: may i ask would technology like NAT punching expose risks to my openbsd runs in vmm?
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18:29 < mischief> depends on what you expose.
18:30 < DanucD> ok. My knowledge is so limited . I need to learn much more things
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18:32 < sibiria> if you use hole punching to let something else reach a service on your machine, i don't see why it should be a larger concern
18:32 < sibiria> you do after all want the subject to be able to reach in
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18:50 < Bradipo> hole punching or port knocking?
18:50 < sibiria> punching
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19:01 < vortexx> "hole punching" are we just talking port forwarding through NAT?
19:04 < sibiria> hole punching is a way of achieving ad-hoc port redirection through a firewall that normally doesn't allow inbound traffic on those ports
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19:47 < vortexx> sibiria: ah, thanks
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20:11 < vortexx> https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11
20:14 < echelon> can we have this person murdered? can openbsd secure funding for this?
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20:16 < sonya> vortexx++
20:16 < zelest> tedu++
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20:17 < CosmicDJ> can someone explain what tedu is trying to say with this blog post?
20:18 < echelon> i think it's satire
20:18 < zelest> or at least sarcasm/irony
20:18 < zelest> keep calm and enjoy xenocara :)
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20:18 < zelest> anyone hating it is obviously a xenophobe..
20:20 < sonya> CosmicDJ: tedu just shows the current state of X11 'mainntenance/development' from folks, who last 15 years trying to 'invent' 'yet another protocol'©™..
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20:22 < vortexx> tedu's on a bit of a roll with his blog atm
20:22 < Bradipo> Probably a reference to the recent drama regarding X11.
20:22 < vortexx> probably
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20:27 < jxl> what recent X11 drama?
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20:28 < sonya> jxl: Enrico Weigelt created X11Libre - https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver
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20:32 < jxl> what's this about purging someone's account on freedesktop? that seems like shooting yourself in the foot...
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20:33 < jxl> i don't really see anything substantiated though. what BigTech moles? what toxic elements? 
20:34 < jxl> also, what's up with enumerating all the project _isn't_ affiliated with?
20:35 < sonya> i guess that there's a kind of 'personal story' behind, but have no time nor esire to dig this pile.. sorry.. anyway, if there is/(will be) a constant support and maintenance for X11 - God bless all involved..
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20:36 < jxl> i say screw all this and we all go and help with arcan
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20:47 < vortexx> jxl: https://linuxiac.com/xlibre-xserver-project-plans-revival-of-x11/
20:50 < jxl> how do you revive the alive though?
20:51 < jxl> not necessarily young and sprung, but it's still a thing. 
20:52 < fro> you don't
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20:53 < mischief> the one wrinkle is that upstream toolkits are deleting their x code soon(tm)
20:54 < mischief> so.. doesn't matter if x11 is still 'alive' if no programs you want to use will actually render to it
20:54 < quinq> monoculture
20:54 < zelest> I think x11 will go away once ipv6 replaces ipv4 :)
20:55 < quinq> Why needing a toolkit if it only supports one graphical backend?
20:55 < quinq> zelest, pretty soon!!
20:55 < zelest> toolkit? you mean electonjs :D
20:56 < zelest> worst case? i just run tmux in the console.. no real need to X anyway
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21:01 < k0ga> quinq: did you read my pm?
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