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00:06 < Bradipo> passstab: Well, I just did: strings /dev/rsd1c | less
00:06 < Bradipo> But that could be a lot of output for less to consume and you may run out of memory.
00:06 < Bradipo> Hard to say.
00:07 < passstab> Is there a way I can run it only after, say, the first 400 gigs?
00:09 < Bradipo> Yes.
00:09 < Bradipo> It involves using dd. :-)
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00:09 < passstab> so I'd need to transfer the part I want to look at to another drive?
00:09 < Bradipo> dd if=/dev/rsd1c bs=1m skip=400000 | strings | less
00:09 < Bradipo> Well, you can have dd just write to stdout.
00:10 < Bradipo> Sorry, I think I got that skip value wrong.
00:10 < passstab> oh, that isn't as scary, and I do have a backup now.
00:10 < Bradipo> Actually, I did get it right the first time. :-)
00:11 < Bradipo> Obviously your disk may or may not be /dev/rsd1c... I'm just using that as an example.
00:12 < Bradipo> Also, if you have a backup, you should really work from that.
00:12 < passstab> I figured that the backup is a much slower drive.
00:13 < passstab> But I'll take your recommendation.
00:13 < Bradipo> Yes, but here's the question... have you verified that the backup is good?  What if you start working on the original drive, and then make a mistaken, then come to find out that your backup really wasn't a good backup? :-)
00:13 < passstab> OK
00:13 < Bradipo> But it's your data, you can take whatever chances you like.
00:14 < Bradipo> Is the backup written to a raw disk, or is it written to a file in some filesystem?
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00:17 < passstab> I formatted it before my second attempt, but I'm still not sure how I would have chosen that.
00:17 < Bradipo> You formatted the extra drive with newfs?
00:17 < passstab> yes, but it eventually gave some kind of error.
00:18 < Bradipo> Hmm.
00:18 < passstab> Why wouldn't dd overwrite that anyway? I thought that it just tramples everything?
00:19 < Bradipo> Well, I think you've not quite got a clear picture between the difference between writing a file and writing directly to a disk.
00:19 < Bradipo> If you type: "dd if=/dev/rsd1c of=/dev/rsd2c" where will the data go?
00:20 < passstab> Is there a good place I should look to fix that?
00:20 < Bradipo> If you type: "dd if=/dev/rsd1c of=/mnt/bigfile" where will the data go?
00:20 < passstab> ahh, that makes sense.
00:20 < Bradipo> In the first case you are writing to a "raw" disk.
00:21 < passstab> I wrote to rsd1c
00:21 < Bradipo> And you're right, it will "trample everything".
00:21 < passstab> Never considered it could be used within a filesystem.
00:21 < Bradipo> But in the second case, you write to "/mnt/bigfile" which presumes that you have a mounted filesystem and it will *not* "trample everything", but instead will just create a big file named "bigfile".
00:22 < Bradipo> So if you wrote to /dev/rsd1c, then you most certainly do *not* have a filesystem to mount.
00:22 < Bradipo> You have a copy of a corrupted disk.
00:23 < Bradipo> But the boundaries of that new disk are much larger... so there is more data to scan through.  However, with a file, the size of that file is fixed at the size of the source.
00:23 < Bradipo> But, it's good to know.
00:23 < Bradipo> So what you have now is a copy of your corrupted disk written to /dev/rsd1c, right?
00:24 < Bradipo> In this case, you can just run the dd command I mentioned above, "dd if=/dev/rsd1c bs=1m count=400000 | strings | less"
00:24 < Bradipo> You can then have "less" search for a string that looks like the beginning of a backup copy of the disklabel.
00:25 < Bradipo> For example, you could search for "^duid: [0-9a-f]"
00:26 < Bradipo> With any luck, you'll find the disklabel that was saved in /var/backup/disklabel.sd0.current (or whatever).
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00:26 < Bradipo> Then once you know the boundaries from the disklabel, you can use fdisk/disklabel to make a new label (first on the backup disk) and see if you can mount (read-only) the partitions.
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00:28 < passstab> So is that just using fdisk and then disklabel as if it were a new install, but with the exact same boundaries?
00:28 < Bradipo> Right.
00:28 < Bradipo> The boundaries are recorded in /var/backup/disklabel.sd0.current
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00:32 < passstab> Bradipo Why shouldn't I run strings on the internal drive, and then try the fix on the external one?
00:33 < Bradipo> Well, sure you could do that.
00:33 < Bradipo> Just being cautious.
00:34 < passstab> I thought that strings itself is not destructive?
00:34 < Bradipo> It isn't.
00:34 < Bradipo> But the more commands you run against the corrupted drive, the more risk you assume in making a mistake somewhere along the way. :-)
00:34 < Bradipo> Again, you have to evaluate your own level of risk.
00:34 < Bradipo> And paranoia.
00:37 < passstab> I needed the second usb port to charge, so I just did that.
00:37 < passstab> It is supposed to give a blank screen while it is working, right?
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00:38 < Bradipo> Well, you're getting a blank screen because it's going to take a while for dd to skip beyond 400GB of data. :-)
00:38 < Bradipo> less has nothing to display... so it's just blocked waiting for data.
00:39 < Bradipo> You could press ^T (aka ctrl-t) if you setup status in your tty.
00:39 < passstab> I didn't know skipping data was that slow.
00:39 < Bradipo> And dd might report its progress.
00:39 < passstab> it does nothing I can see.
00:40 < Bradipo> Well, as I said, you have to set it up *before* you run dd.
00:40 < Bradipo> Otherwise, you can send dd a SIGINFO signal from another terminal.
00:40 < passstab> ah, ok
00:40 < passstab> I'll just wait.
00:40 < Bradipo> dd does say it uses lseek.
00:41 < Bradipo> https://man.openbsd.org/dd#skip
00:41 < Bradipo> I assume that /dev/rsd0c supports lseek, but I don't know for certain.
00:42 < Bradipo> "Otherwise, input data is read and discarded."
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00:44 < Bradipo> You might want to just review your steps to make sure it's doing the correct thing.
00:45 < Bradipo> I should think that with lseek it doesn't take *too* long.
00:46 < Bradipo> I just tried it with my 250GB disk and it seeks pretty quickly.
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00:46 < Bradipo> So if it's still showing a blank screen, perhaps you've done something wrong.
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00:56 < Bradipo> passstab: Hmm, you missed my last communications apparently.
00:56 < Bradipo> I shouldn't think it would take this long using dd.
00:57 < Bradipo> Especially given that your disk should be seekable.
00:57 < passstab> Bradipo, sorry, I'm on webchat.
00:57 < Bradipo> You should review your commands and make sure they're doing what you think they are doing.
00:57 < passstab> I'm seeing text now.
00:57 < Bradipo> Ahh, ok.
00:57 < passstab> starting with x(8.
00:58 < Bradipo> Yep, you'll see all kinds of seemingly random data.
00:58 < Bradipo> strings just outputs printable strings.
00:58 < passstab> and "!This program cannot be run in DOS mode.
00:58 < Bradipo> Sure, that's a printable string. :-)
00:58 < passstab> I was just checking how to search in less
00:58 < Bradipo> But you should just tell less to search for ^duid: [0-9a-f]
00:59 < Bradipo> You search in less the same way you search in vi.
00:59 < Bradipo> The / character searches foward.  The ? character searches backward.
00:59 < Bradipo> So you would type: /^duid: [0-9a-f]
00:59 < Bradipo> And press Enter to cause it to start the search.
01:00 < Bradipo> Now, it will become unresponsive at that point because less will again read and block ad infinitum until it either hits your search string or the end of file.
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01:00 < passstab> oh, good, I was starting to panic.
01:03 < passstab> ok, it finished, and gave me a lot to look through.
01:03 < Bradipo> Well, that doesn't make sense.
01:03 < Bradipo> If you told it to search for a string and it didn't find it, there isn't anything for you to "look through". :-)
01:04 < passstab> I might have entered the search wrong, can I just try again?
01:04 < passstab> Or will that only look at the results?
01:04 < Bradipo> If it's at the end of the input, you can have it search in reverse.
01:04 < Bradipo> It will look at whatever is in the less buffer.
01:05 < Bradipo> So type: ?^duid: [0-9a-f]
01:06 < Bradipo> It might have been better to write the strings output to a file and then search that file.
01:06 < Bradipo> For all we know less ran out of memory.
01:07 < passstab> Also, a bunch of the strings look like they are only showing the end of a string.
01:07 < Bradipo> Sure, fragments of files.
01:08 < Bradipo> strings only outputs ASCII printable characters.  And a disklabel backup is just that.
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01:10 < passstab> hah, there is an environmental variable "lesssecure" which makes it more secure.
01:10 < Bradipo> Haha, funny.
01:10 < Bradipo> Nice to know about that option.
01:10 < passstab> I think I ran another search by accident, so I might wait a bit before getting what I need.
01:11 < thrig> such as not running random programs, which have been the cause of security vulns elsewhere due to "oh we'll run something to unpack that archive automatically"
01:12 < Bradipo> Yeah, or writing secure strings to the history file.
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01:13 < thrig> I also set LESSHISTFILE=-
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01:14 < Bradipo> Well, by default on OpenBSD, LESSHISTFILE isn't even set.
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01:17 < thrig> I set those things by default so they get set on other OS
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01:38 < passstab> Bradipo: It is still frozen from my mistaken command, which I think included f or F.
01:39 < passstab> should I start over, and write to the thumb drive?
01:40 < passstab> that is, dd if=/dev/rsd1c bs=1m skip=400000 | strings | ./strings
01:41 < passstab> I doubt it would fill it.
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01:43 < Bradipo> You could try that, sure.
01:43 < Bradipo> Might be better to zip it though.
01:44 < Bradipo> Something like: dd if=/dev/rsd1c bs=1m skip=400000 | strings | gzip -c > strings.out.gz
01:45 < Bradipo> Then you can use zless to view it: zless strings.out.gz
01:45 < passstab> is that different from streamzip?
01:45 < Bradipo> I don't know what streamzip is.
01:45 < Bradipo> Interesting, apparently streamzip(1) is in base.
01:45 < passstab> https://man.openbsd.org/man1/streamzip.1
01:45 < Bradipo> Yeah, all these years, never heard of it.
01:46 < Bradipo> I've never used it so I cannot comment on its merits.
01:46 < Bradipo> What I wrote above will work just fine.
01:46 < passstab> Just found that when I searched openbsd zip, but it looks appropriate. That being said, I'll stick with yours.
01:46 < Bradipo> Also, make sure that "strings.out.gz" is written somewhere appropriate that has enough space to hold it.
01:47 < Bradipo> I think streamzip is for making Zip files, not compressing data.
01:47 < Bradipo> A zip archive is not the same as just a compressed file.
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01:48 < passstab> My thumb drive is 64 gigs, my openbsd install is, IIRC about 120 gigs in all. And I'm sure I didn't use much of it.
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01:49 < passstab> and I'll change the skip to 490000
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01:52 < Bradipo> Well, keep in mind that you're only getting ASCII printable characters.
01:52 < Bradipo> So it's probably safe to continue with 400000.  Better to have too much data to sift through than to skip past useful data. :-)
01:52 < Bradipo> Remember to: stty status ^T
01:53 < Bradipo> Before you start the dd command.
01:53 < pardis> you can limit the size of the strings file itself with a second dd
01:53 < pardis> dd whatever | strings | dd count=1k >file
01:53 < pardis> or something
01:53 < Bradipo> Right, do it in chunks?
01:54 < Bradipo> Most likely it will compress quite nicely since it's all ASCII.
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02:38 < passstab> still waiting
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02:50 < passstab> the file is 1.3G
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02:54 < passstab> Bradipo I think that worked!
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02:56 < Bradipo> What did dd report as it's transfer?
02:57 < passstab> I don't remember, but I used zless and searched the file and got something that looks like my partition table.
02:58 < Bradipo> Did it show your partitions and stuff?
02:58 < Bradipo> It should start with "# /dev/rsd0c:"
02:58 < Bradipo> And then list a bunch of parameters and finally your partitions.
02:58 < passstab> yep, it does.
02:59 < Bradipo> Ok, that's a good sign.
02:59 < Bradipo> Mind posting to a pastebin?
02:59 < passstab> and then the primary and secondary gpt
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02:59 < Bradipo> Oh that's interesting, how did you identify the primary and seconary GPT?
02:59 < Bradipo> I didn't think OpenBSD backed those up.
03:00 < passstab> I wish I could, not sure how to do that. I didn't even connect the computer to the internet.
03:01 < Bradipo> Oh, you mean you don't know how to get the data that's on your USB bootable to the Internet?
03:02 < Bradipo> That's pretty simple actually.  Just shutdown the OS on the USB stick, then plug it into a working OpenBSD system that *is* on the Internet and mount the partition that you wrote your file to and then access it there.
03:02 < Bradipo> I only ask because it would be easier to talk about with real data.
03:02 < Bradipo> At any rate, you should be able to reconstruct the disklabel on your drive at this point.
03:03 < Bradipo> Does the "label:" correspond to the drive that you expect?
03:03 < passstab> I don't have another openbsd system, that is why I was using the usb.
03:03 < passstab> yes
03:03 < passstab> I'm sure I can make that work another time. I think I need to turn in for the night.
03:04 < Bradipo> Ok, good luck.  Making progress I think.
03:05 < passstab> Bradipo thank you very much. I don't know how you are available at all hours to help, but I really appreciate it.
03:05 < passstab> TZAF
03:05 < Bradipo> Definitely not all hours.
03:05 < Bradipo> If I were available all hours, I would most likely be AI. lol.
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03:08 < thrig> or a team
03:09 < Bradipo> You mean like this "AI" team? https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/how-this-billion-dollar-london-startup-backed-by-microsoft-made-700-engineers-sitting-in-india-pose-as-ai/articleshow/121572659.cms
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03:10 < thrig> AI has long been used to get money, which is what John McCarthy invented the term for
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08:13 < hhhhhhhhhh> When I try to use acme-client lately it prints: acme-client: 172.65.32.248: connect: Connection refused
08:13 < hhhhhhhhhh> acme-client: 2606:4700:60:0:f53d:5624:85c7:3a2c: connect: No route to host
08:13 < hhhhhhhhhh> acme-client: https://acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org/acme/authz/xxx/xxx: bad comm
08:14 < hhhhhhhhhh> If I curl those addresses they look ok
08:14 < IcePic> is that your ips or the ips of the letsencrypt hosts?
08:14 < hhhhhhhhhh> LE hosts
08:15 < hhhhhhhhhh> Looking at the code for "bad comm" is not really enlightening
08:16 < ssm_> did your default route get foobar'd by chance?
08:16 < ssm_> oh conn refused, probably not
08:16 < hhhhhhhhhh> No, curl https://172.65.32.248 -k -> ...<small>The Let's Encrypt CA</small>...
08:16 < ssm_> could you have done something to get banned?
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08:17 < ssm_> aka, made too man cert renewals too quickly
08:17 < IcePic> the limits are not at the tcp level, when you hammer their endpoints, the httpd at their end will tell you that you did too many requests
08:17 < hhhhhhhhhh> I doubt it, if I go on the redacted URL it shows me some json about pending challenges on my domains
08:18 < IcePic> hhhhhhhhhh: do you have any creative pf rules about which user may connect or so?
08:18 < hhhhhhhhhh> No, I have `pass out quick on egress all modulate state` near the top
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08:23 < IcePic> should be somewhat easy to tcpdump on the interface with dest port 443 and see what tcpdump says about outgoing traffic
08:23 < IcePic> or pflog, in case your local pf is somehow blocking outgoing traffic from acme-client
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08:50 < hhhhhhhhhh> It is failing on different URLs each time actually
08:52 < hhhhhhhhhh> Kind of hard to debug this in gdb becauase it spawns 10 processes
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08:55 < hhhhhhhhhh> my guess is it tries to open too many connections in parallel
08:55 < hhhhhhhhhh> Or gets rate limited
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08:58 < sibiria> there are alternatives to LE
08:58 < sibiria> e.g. Buypass and such
09:00 < lts> You can try does the staging LE give a different reply
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09:01 < hhhhhhhhhh> staging was fine
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09:15 < hhhhhhhhhh> using lego instead of acme-client just works too
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09:27 < hhhhhhhhhh> I also got acme-client to run to completion a single time out of maybe 100 runs so I guess it's just broken
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09:29 < noodle> > No, I have `pass out quick on egress all modulate state` near the top
09:29 < noodle> hhhhhhhhhh: last rule wins btw
09:29 < noodle> oh nvm it has quick. my bad
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09:47 < sibiria> i use acme.sh and buypass
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10:19 < sibiria> anyone here running Prosody, who noticed a slew of problems since 13.0.1?
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10:49 < rahl> Do we have an equivalent to linux's sendfile?
10:58 < IcePic> rahl: socket splicing is the closest I guess
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11:19 < rahl> IcePic: ack, cheers. Worst case I'll just have to do some buffered read/write passing through userland
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18:07 < jmabsd> Do you remember if there is graphics accelleration in X on most *ARM 64bit* platforms?
18:07 < sibiria> there isn't
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18:09 < ssm_> jmabsd: would require porting panfrost I believe
18:11 < ssm_> it's a reversed engineered driver for mali chipsets, similar to nouveau. nouveau isn't supported either, though I think that may be due to some buerocratic/licensing concerns
18:13 < ssm_> if nothing else, hooking up an eGPU to an arm board does work
18:18 < Lucas_> does it? I know for sure it doesn't work with an enclosure over USB-C
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18:19 < jmabsd> sibiria,ssm_: I mean, that X does not draw pixels but has acceleration for boxes, scrolling, etc.
18:19 < jmabsd> I did not mean video hardware decoding
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18:20 < sibiria> jmabsd: there is no accelerated support
18:20 < jmabsd> ssm_: Oh. How does X on Linux machines accelerate graphics
18:20 < sibiria> 100% software framebuffer
18:20 < jmabsd> Ic. Ok. That must be palpably slow
18:20 < jmabsd> May be worth to try
18:20 < sibiria> it gets the job done, but yes
18:21 < sibiria> if you're on anything similar to RK3399 or older, it's an unpleasant experience
18:21 < sibiria> that's about the limit where basic graphical desktop actions feel tenable
18:21 < jmabsd> sibiria: Yeah exactly I was thinking of the RK3399
18:21 < jmabsd> It's a bit old
18:22 < jmabsd> If there were install instructions online for Panfrost or Nouveau I'd easily install it.
18:22 < jmabsd> Doesn't need to be bundled.
18:23 < sibiria> i wonder if they even compile outside linux without a massive effort
18:23 < sibiria> very linux-centric stuff
18:23 < jmabsd> Ok
18:23 < sibiria> i know the freebsd people were working on porting panfrost. maybe it's done?
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18:25 < pardis> you'd easily install a component of the Linux kernel on OpenBSD? you're confident
18:26 < jmabsd> According to a quick google, FreeBSD has graphics acceleration in X on ARM 64 computers now thanks to a Panfrost driver.
18:26 < jmabsd> *port.
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20:56 < vortexx> https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/wobbly-letters
20:56 < vortexx> personaly I find that looks awful
20:57 < zelest> XD
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21:04 < sibiria> the teletext color scheme does a number on the eyes, too
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21:34 < welcome> HELO
21:34 < welcome> I had an idea
21:35 < welcome> called secured (as n secure - d for daemon)
21:35 < welcome> (as in secure - d for daemon)
21:36 < welcome> before you throw openbsd books at me...., citing reasons why openbsd is far from in need of a security review...
21:36 < welcome> I know
21:37 < welcome> BUT
21:37 < welcome> I had this idea while I was finishing a vanilla install of 7.7
21:40 < tvtoon> another good idea: buy a locker for your USB ports, SECURITY!
21:40 < welcome> the idea's strength comes from the principle that if there is a single port of call (the secured daemon) for anything going from outside the openbsd system to within, THEN: [o] programming can be focussed on one single point of stregth/failure and made so strong that the diminishing returns problem facing programmers passes zero and can actually become negative
21:42 < vortexx> welcome: have you watched the film Tron recently? Sounds similar to the MCP
21:42 < welcome> [o] a clear understanding of what is on what of either side of the secured deamon
21:42 < welcome> I have not seen the new Tron picture, actually
21:44 < welcome> [o] finally, inside the boundary that is defined by the decured daemon, there exists a machine-state environmental enclosure that is internal pristine
21:46 < welcome> This last, and the first qualities make it possible for the pristince environment to present to the User, an experience which is greater than that engineering limit imposed by the programming of the security mechana of OpenBSD
21:46 < quinq> Sorry, having seen Tron is a requirement for getting any answer from this channel
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21:49 < welcome> Ie., openbsd will start to help it's developers (and everyone running it) by virtue , virtue of the fact that secured presents a pristine system, that is, once can expect with very little effort a associative benefit
21:49 < welcome> and with a bit more effort one can expect openbsd's security to even cultivate the User
21:50 < sibiria> it's not a bad idea on the surface
21:51 < welcome> Does it have to be the new version of Tron?
21:53 < welcome> I really doubt I can make openbsd better security-wise the way it currently is designed and I would not pretend to be that good at cryptography anyway, ... I also do not think there is anything "wrong" with it as it is
21:53 < welcome> openbsd is sheer genius
21:54 < welcome> I just had this idea is all
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21:55 < welcome> I understand, that if one serialises the security mechanism to a single port of call, 
21:56 < welcome> there's two paths you can go by .... etc
21:56 < tvtoon> have you tried hardened?
21:58 < welcome> Not yet. .... but while you can look at the extra work needed to protect against exploits and attacker hackers on a single point of failure vs. single-mindedness,
21:59 < welcome> IF one COMMITS to the other path, it quickly becomes so secure that it can in fact produce the elixir of security, that being impossibly hard
21:59 < welcome> particularly
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22:01 < welcome> i you recall that with a pristine system environment within, as one becomes accustomed to working with it, one will by the laws aof coputer science be cultivated towars improving one's own metal aspect
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22:04 < welcome> AND
22:04 < welcome> if oe has a single point offailure, as I said earlier, all will can be summoned to work on that oneport of call
22:05 < welcome> kind of like a great Sauron only with nowt but good in him
22:09 < cgnarne> sounds like the forbidden secret technique out of a wuxia novel
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22:10 < welcome> I am unfamiliar with that text
22:11 < vortexx> welcome: I was referencing the 1982 Tron
22:11 < welcome> whoa
22:11 < welcome> I saw that when it came out
22:11 < welcome> ...
22:12 < welcome> I'm trying to typean intro to this idea for submission to Mr. DeRaadt
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22:12 < welcome> it is not easy to talk to him in y experience
22:12 < vortexx> it's a very mainframish idea
22:13 < welcome> I have zero experience with mainframe computing, excepting a tiny  study of part of a Cray's CPU
22:14 < welcome> over a decade ago
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22:19 < welcome> interstingly though, that did cross my mind while I was writing it up with pen and paper
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22:21 < welcome> I must go and check the moon
22:22 < tvtoon> Fly me to the moon~~~
22:24 < welcome> alas
22:24 < welcome> it has set
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