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19:55 < Bradipo> Wow, void linux doesn't support having /usr on a partition.
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19:58 < systemdsucks> no linux support it
19:58 < Bradipo> Oh really?  It used to.
19:58 < Bradipo> When did that change I wonder...
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19:59 < TommyC> Linux is slowly dropping support for separate /usr. Even Slackware.
20:00 < systemdsucks> freedesktop happened
20:00 < Bradipo> *free* as in they are free to tell me how to manage my system?
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20:00 < systemdsucks> you are free to follow their designs
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20:01 < TommyC> They're too big for anyone to really challenge them at this point (imo).
20:01 < oldlaptop> Bradipo: Generally speaking stuff in early boot may need /usr.
20:01 < TommyC> Maybe a "libredesktop" project will come around, sort of like Wayland to X.
20:02 < oldlaptop> It could easily be "on a partition" if the initrd system takes care of mounting it (which is AIUI a supported setup in some places); initrd is approximately equivalent to / on OpenBSD in this respect
20:03 < TommyC> oldlaptop: It doesn't work on shutdown, though.
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20:03 < TommyC> If you unmount /usr before say, lvm (all the vg* utilities) and one of its dependencies is in /usr, it'll fail.
20:03 < TommyC> So it works when booting if the initrd has the necessary dependencies and such, but on shut down it's required to fail.
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20:09 < Bradipo> Yeah, initrd is funny magic.  Let's have a mini root that has a minimal fs and utilities that gets us to the real OS.
20:09 < oldlaptop> There is also, separately (but somewhat relatedly), a trend towards making /lib the same location as /usr/lib, and so on
20:10 < TommyC> It's Friday here, please don't make me sadder. I'm trying to enjoy the weekend. :3
20:10 < Bradipo> Hahaha.
20:11 < oldlaptop> (at which point separating "the /usr stuff" starts to look a lot like constructing something like the usual OpenBSD layout, with everything other than /etc separate from /)
20:12 < pardis> it's like somebody noticed using /usr as an overflow bin was a hack, but then drew the opposite conclusion and decided it's / we don't need
20:12 < oldlaptop> except /usr is named /, and there is no openbsd-like stub /
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20:13 < oldlaptop> out of all the things going on in linux these days it seems like one of the least important and/or worth getting upset about
20:13 < uwharrie> always seen stuff like that as linux distro's proclivity to foist a complicated setup needed to handle a corner case on everyone instead of making the simplest, most common case the default and allowing layering on top for more complicated solutions
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20:16 < oldlaptop> I like the openbsd static-binary-/ approach better if forced to pick, but it's not one of the more important differences, I don't think
20:18 < Bradipo> void's installer isn't very robust.
20:19 < oldlaptop> None of the common Linux approaches to rc(8)'s job are really comparable to it, anymore. (And the mainstream never has been - mainstream Linux boot has always been a baroque dumpster fire)
20:19 < oldlaptop> pf is much more straightforward than whatever I'm supposed to call it on Linux these days.
20:19 < oldlaptop> ifconfig > ip
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20:20 < oldlaptop> All way, way more important.
20:20 < Bradipo> Yep.
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20:20 < Bradipo> I made one mistake when entering the IP information.
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20:21 < Bradipo> It told me that there was a problem, yet I cannot correct it.  So I have to reboot and restart the installer. lol.
20:21 < oldlaptop> Bradipo: Not sure I've ever used it, offhand. (As opposed to the 'manual' gentooic way)
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20:59 < brutex> vortexx: hi, can you tell me for boot with openbsd i have do the right things that are for boot with bootx64.efi but it gives file not found..
20:59 < brutex> vortexx: in linux
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21:02 < brutex> i have fixed freebsd i remember
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21:02 < brutex> and gpt/uefi boot from lin
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21:08 < brutex> how can i boot from linux with grub from gtp with uefi OpenBSD
21:09 < brutex> ?!
21:09 < brutex> from 40_custom
21:09 < brutex> and then update-grub
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21:16 < brutex> who know
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21:25 < uwharrie> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Multibooting
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21:53 < rewtkid> > pf is much more straightforward than whatever I'm supposed to call it on Linux these days. | agreed. i wish there was some kind of "pf clone" that could be used on linux aswell. 
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22:00 < TommyC> I wouldn't be surprised if someone wrote say, a wrapper around nftables or iptables that uses pf syntax.
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22:16 < vortexx> uwharrie: chainloader +1 path/to/bootloader
22:18 < sibiria> rEFInd really is a blessing
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23:05 < iio7> I am on a box which I don't know if its running release or snapshot, is there a way to determine that? uname doesn't seem to give any additional info that helps determine that, or am I overlooking something?
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23:20 < sonya> iio7: $ uname -rs ; dmesg | head -n2 and look at the information of any uninstalled package, like $ /usr/sbin/pkg_info xonotic | head -n2 - it'll show where the package is located (in snapshots or release section).. though i never used a snapshots and could be totally wrong, sorry..
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