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00:48 < oldlaptop> TommyC and rewtkid: I can recommend "ferm" (http://ferm.foo-projects.org/) along those lines - not quite as nice as writing pf.conf(5), but remarkably tolerable.
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00:50 < oldlaptop> (one gotcha with `dmesg | head` or similar: under some circumstances there can be more than one boot's worth of output in dmesg, not necessarily with the same kernel)
00:51 < oldlaptop> It's also not completely reliable in any case: for a few weeks before a release is tagged, snapshots think they are the new release.
00:52 < oldlaptop> (The flipside of that is that, for many practical purposes, a snapshot from just before X.Y was tagged *is* almost the same thing as release X.Y)
00:53 < oldlaptop> it's annoying for people running snapshots because it'll lead to pkg_add looking for X.Y packages on the mirror that don't exist yet (unless overridden with -D)
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03:54 < WilliamWallace> hi, what is the simplest way to run this single program on OpenBSD? https://git.ryujinx.app/ryubing/ryujinx/-/releases
03:54 < WilliamWallace> I know I'll have to use some kind of VM, right?
03:57 < DanucD> OpenBSD's VMM does not support GUI. Other virtualization technologies are not well supported either.
03:58 < WilliamWallace> soo, it might be a nogo
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04:30 < oldlaptop> It is not impossible in theory that .NET could be made to run. (Mono has been in ports for donkey's years.) I would not wish the task of making .NET run on anyone.
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04:31 < WilliamWallace> yeah the whole emulator is C#
04:31 < oldlaptop> (anyone who's looked at microsoft's ludicrous build process will understand)
04:31 < WilliamWallace> yuzu is C++ so that might be easier
04:33 < oldlaptop> Since I last idly looked at the issue, someone over in freebsd-land has actually put together a port, so perhaps some lunatic interested in a similar effort for OpenBSD could use that for... inspiration, I guess?
04:33 < oldlaptop> ("starting point" would be too strong a phrase)
04:33 < oldlaptop> the plist at freshports is not a very funny joke
04:33 < WilliamWallace> I'm not a programmer, I certainly couldn't do it
04:33 < WilliamWallace> was just wondering if it's possible
04:33 < WilliamWallace> just want to do a bit of gaming on OpenBSD, switch has most modern games I wanna play a bit o
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04:34 < WilliamWallace> if I could play android games that would also work but I'm pretty sure that's much harder on BSD than just running one console emulator
04:35 < oldlaptop> https://openports.pl/cat/emulators includes some interesting things. There are of course games that just run, without an emulator.
04:36 < WilliamWallace> there are tons of games there
04:36 < WilliamWallace> but I'm super into roguelikes lately
04:36 < WilliamWallace> and a lot of that is PC/switch/android
04:37 < WilliamWallace> certain stuff is fine on OpenBSD, Balatro, Slay the Spire
04:37 < oldlaptop> You may find https://openports.pl/path/games/cataclysm-dda interesting.
04:37 < WilliamWallace> yeah I know traditional roguelikes are all on there
04:37 < WilliamWallace> but I mean more roguelites, think Hades
04:37 < WilliamWallace> which I think can be played on OpenBSD
04:38 < oldlaptop> Dwarf Fortress is one of the rare linux-binary-game things that may be reasonable to run under vmm; it has a curses output mode (and would work fine over X forwarding anyway), and is largely single-threaded.
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04:38 < WilliamWallace> yeah think more Rogue Legacy than NetHack
04:39 < oldlaptop> I don't know what that is.
04:39 < WilliamWallace> yeah, I'm talking about stuff like Dead Cells
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04:41 < WilliamWallace> is there a list of cores supported by retroarch
04:41 < WilliamWallace> I'm trying to find one
04:42 < oldlaptop> <oldlaptop> https://openports.pl/cat/emulators includes some interesting things. There are of course games that just run, without an emulator.
04:42 < oldlaptop> Anything libretro supports as a "core" is going to be in there. (Somewhere.)
04:43 < WilliamWallace> so all cores?
04:43 < oldlaptop> Rephrasing: Any emulator that has a ready-to-install package will be in there, including anything libretro also knows how to use as a "core".
04:44 < oldlaptop> I do not know whether that happens to be "everything" the retroarch people support. (I'd assume not.)
04:46 < rewtkid> oldlaptop: thank you, i will check it out soon.
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05:15 < puffybuf> finally got wayland working great on openbsd
05:16 < puffybuf> got my wireguard vpn tunnels working too. Openbsd is just great
05:16 < DanucD> a true bsd master you are  . mate
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05:17 < puffybuf> I'm getting there man
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05:36 < rewtkid> yeah, worked pretty well when i used to run DWL. but alas i went back to CWM because its just perfect for me..
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07:03 < jxl> holy dirt, you guys! the 6 second sleep bug i've been experiencing for the past 4 years is gone!
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07:03 < jxl> think it might have something to do with TearFree getting backported
07:04 < jxl> but i can finally use the brightness buttons and my backlight setting slider without waiting for 30 seconds to keep using the computer!
07:04  * IcePic plays Ozzy Ozbourne "No More Tears" for jxl
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07:05 < jxl> it truly is. it made my cry every time. or at least consider if i wanted to real hard.
07:06 < IcePic> happy to hear your env good lots better 
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07:43 < jxl> literally just sitting here, sliding the brightness slider because I can... it's incredible.
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07:49 < jxl> when going from AC to battery, the brightness doesn't jump to 100% anymore either. this xlibre stuff has gotten some wheels turning
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08:02 < Lucas_> jxl: it isn't related to tearfree. I'm p sure your laptop is a ThinkPad, and it was something fixed by jmatthew.
08:04 < jxl> Lucas_: yeah, it's a t460s. i mailed mattheau about this a while ago, but he never replied
08:05 < jxl> s/matteau/matthieu/
08:06 < jxl> looking through the xenocara change log now...
08:07 < Lucas_> it's not in xenocara, iirc
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08:07 < Lucas_> Git commit 4b17984a74dc8be0eae4f64e77651a529b78c934 in src
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08:28 < jxl> oh my, you're completely correct Lucas_! this was a long time coming... back to moving the slider around now
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08:41 < rnkn> what's the closest thing OpenBSD has to filesystem snapshots? dump?
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08:46 < IcePic> there basically isn't a real replacement for snapshots. dump and all versions of "run over the fs and copy things as you find them" have a lot of timing races built in, so if you do dump, you might aswell run rsync, tar, cpio and so on. It's "all the same" in that regard
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10:57 < dvl> oldlaptop: But the plist at FreshPort is funny.
10:57 < dvl> *s
10:59 < bountyht> rnkn: OpenBSD has not such a thing as hot snapshots. If it helps, what I am doing for virtual OpenBSD machines is use the snapshooting capabilities of the hypervisor
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11:00 < bountyht> For things you can afford to turn off I just stop the VM, copy it over and restart it. It is usualy very quick. I am aware it is not suitable for lots of load models though
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11:02 < sibiria> openbsd's vmm/vmd supports pause/unpause. i've yet to give it a try to see if the hypervisor auto-adjusts the guest's clock
11:04 < drathir_tor> in theory with pause most user data should be fine (as long as there no active operations performed on data)...
11:04 < sibiria> all of it should be fine. the vm won't progress if it's not getting any ticks
11:04 < sibiria> some software may get hiccups from time travel but that's not the hypervisor's problem
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11:08 < oldlaptop> dvl: Mildly amusing, I'll concede no more!
11:08 < dvl> oldlaptop: I am here but to amuse.
11:10 < oldlaptop> What's really (laugh-so-you-don't-cry) funny is the list of GitHub repos that goes into that.
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13:00 < DanucD> is there an tiny secure open source reverse proxy waf for openbsd's httpd?
13:00 < DanucD>  is waf necessary for httpd?
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13:03 < sibiria> no. deep packet inspection isn't necessary for serving web content
13:04 < DanucD> all right
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13:46 < IcePic> sibiria: waf can also be a "simple url filter"
13:47 < IcePic> if you are into checkbox security
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13:54 < oldlaptop> I have a pf firewall in front of my web application, therefore behold: a state of the art, innovative, security-forward Web Application Firewall!
13:54 < eea> ^
13:55 < byteskeptical> you maverick you
13:55 < eea> url filters... relayd ftw
13:55 < IcePic> oldlaptop: I think wafs are meant to look at the urls and go yes or no depending on rules.
13:56 < sibiria> query, POST, headers, they can cover the whole she-bang
13:57 < IcePic> yes, but also if you think small, relayd could be it. "if url looks like this, send to httpd, else drop"
13:58 < oldlaptop> More seriously: most of the real value a "WAF" provides is really mitigating (mostly really, really stupid) exploits in (mostly really, really badly-written) web applications. *Some* of the same ground is covered by more general mitigations like privilege separation (although a lot of openbsd's "exploit mitigations" are focused on the consequences of undefined behavior in C and C++ - not definedly misbehaving constructs in your php or nodejs)
14:00 < oldlaptop> (And of course, the *real* solution is not running badly-written web applications if you can avoid it. Maybe you have a hard requirement for wordpress and these random sketchy plugins, specifically - but if you can get away with something smaller and safer, or you can get away with static content, so much the better.)
14:02 < oldlaptop> It's approximately similar to "antivirus" for windows - you're slapping bondo over the dent because you can't actually fix it.
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14:20 < quinq> What about antivirus for openbsd
14:21 < zelest> clamav?
14:21 < IcePic> over http I think sql bugs and so on would be the "easiest" to sneak through
14:21 < IcePic> bad php site lets you add ?admin=true& or so, and then you can write to the DB or whatever the bug is
14:22 < zelest> s/php/javascript :D
14:22 < IcePic> all done within the intended workings of the program
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14:36  * oldlaptop has seen a "web app" written by an alleged professional do authentication on the client side
14:38 < quinq> classic
14:39 < Bradipo> Well, using javascript?
14:39 < Bradipo> It could be done using a nonce.
14:39 < Bradipo> And a preshared secret.
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15:44 < Bradipo> Looking for a competent DNS registrar.  Apparently the one that I use recently got bought by Network Solutions.
15:45 < sibiria> Bradipo: porkbun
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15:45 < Bradipo> Do they know what in-bailiwick NS delegations are? :-)
15:46 < sibiria> i'm not sure, i don't use their DNS, i run my own
15:46 < Bradipo> Well, isn't that what in-bailiwick NS is all about, "run my own"?
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15:47 < Bradipo> Well, I suppose you can "run your own" *without* them being in-bailiwick though.
15:48 < sibiria> maybe i misunderstood, but isn't in-bailiwick if your authorative name server is the actual origin? (as opposed to e.g. nsN.example.com)
15:48 < Bradipo> Yes, in-bailiwick means that your NS is within the same zone.
15:48 < Bradipo> e.g. example.com has an NS of nsN.example.com.
15:48 < sibiria> yes that works fine. they support glue records and don't argue if you use nsN.example.com for your example.com
15:48 < Bradipo> Ok.
15:49 < Bradipo> As long as they don't have lame validation requirements, it shouldn't matter what the NS record is.
15:49 < Lucas_> domainname.shop also works alright
15:50 < mischief> my domain is still at godaddy but i've been using freedns.afraid.org as my ns for like 15 years now
15:50 < sibiria> what i like about porkbun is that they have almost as low prices as cloudflare (almost zero addition on top of TLD owner + icann fee), and that, well, they are not cloudflare
15:53 < Bradipo> Seems that almost all try to offer all kinds of functionality that I don't care about.
15:54 < Bradipo> Would be ideal to have a DNS only registrar.
15:54 < Bradipo> Don't need hosting, don't need webmail, don't need SSL, don't need whatever they think will make them more money.  Just pure DNS.
15:54 < sibiria> you're not beholden to pay for anything except the domain, thankfully
15:54 < sibiria> their DNS comes free of charge with a domain purchase
15:57 < Bradipo> True.
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16:00 < lts> There's old wisdom regarding buying your domains, dns, hosting, and email all from different providers
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16:01 < sibiria> that you get a chance to send more complaint e-mails when several things fail at once?
16:01 < lts> Only one thing per provider fails at once then
16:02 < passstab> Bradipo hey, unfortunately I lost the zipped strings file, (I thought fuguita was more persistent. I've since done a straight openbsd install to the thumb drive.)
16:02 < thrig> or you run into problems where provider A blames provider B who blames provider C who blames provider A
16:02 < thrig> (these may be the developers, DBA, and networking teams, so it works in different contexts)
16:02 < Bradipo> passstab: Did you write it to /tmp or somewhere else?
16:04 < passstab> It was in the home directory.
16:04 < passstab> would you please remind me of the command to recreate it?
16:04 < Bradipo> Maybe you should have just installed OpenBSD and avoided fuguita. :-)
16:04 < passstab> I've done that already.
16:04 < Bradipo> When I install a bootable OpenBSD, just download the standard OpenBSD installer and install it to the USB.
16:04 < Bradipo> I don't think I've ever used fuguita.
16:05 < Bradipo> As for the command, it was something like...
16:05 < passstab> yes, I did that.
16:05 < Bradipo> dd if=/dev/rsd1c bs=1m skip=400000 | strings | gzip -c > /path/to/strings.out.gz
16:06 < Bradipo> Just don't write strings.out.gz to /tmp. :-)
16:06 < passstab> that looks about right, thank you. (I know to adjust for the right drive)
16:08 < passstab> also, sightly off-topic, what is the difference between sd1c and rsd1c? I know r means raw, but what is the alternative? It still isn't contained in a filesystem, right?
16:10 < sibiria> r is the raw device, no buffering in-between
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16:11 < sibiria> and non-r is the block mode thingy
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17:18 < passstab> Bradipo: and the zless command is something like "/ ^duid: [0-9a-f]"?
17:18 < Bradipo> Close.
17:19 < Bradipo> To search for data in zless, you type the / character.
17:19 < Bradipo> Anything that follows slash are the search terms.
17:19 < Bradipo> So if you have a space before ^ then you're asking to search for a space followed by a ^
17:19 < Bradipo> But really you want ^ to be the first character of your search because ^ in a regex means "beginning of line".
17:20 < passstab> ahh, got it.
17:20 < passstab> thank you
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17:20 < CrtxReavr> The sparc64 install ISO won't boot my server: https://0x0.st/8E05.jpeg
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17:22 < sibiria> have you tried adding more mustard?
17:23 < CrtxReavr> I started with more propane.
17:24 < Bradipo> That would be great for a sun fire.
17:24 < Bradipo> Hard to have fire without propane you know.
17:25 < sibiria> intel optane, sun propane
17:26 < CrtxReavr> Has that pic already made the rounds in her?
17:26 < CrtxReavr> here
17:27 < Bradipo> I've never seen it.
17:27 < Bradipo> But I don't live here either.
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17:30 < passstab> https://paste.debian.net/1379563
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17:33 < CrtxReavr> Someone at work shared it.  Gave me a chuckle.
17:33 < mischief> well poo
17:33 < CrtxReavr> Somewhere I have an SGI Oxygen being used as a door stop.
17:33 < mischief> i was hoping openbsd would boot in riscv64 qemu vm
17:34 < Bradipo> passstab: So... that is your Samsung SSD 990 which is the corrupted disk?
17:35 < passstab> yes
17:36 < Bradipo> You probably can just recreate the disklabel from that information and mount the partitions, eh?
17:39 < mischief> nice, you got it
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17:47 < passstab> Bradipo: that is done with just disklabel, right? I think I /should/ have it from here (as soon as I find my backup drive.)
17:48 < Bradipo> Well, if you're certain this is the correct disklabel, you might just try on the original drive.
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17:48 < Bradipo> What does: disklabel sd0
17:48 < Bradipo> Assuming sd0 is your corrupted drive.
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17:52 < passstab> Bradipo https://paste.debian.net/1379563
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17:55 < Bradipo> passstab: Isn't that what you already shared?
17:56 < Bradipo> I'm curious what the output of the *current* disklabel is for your corrupted drive.  It shouldn't have one given the description that you gave of the problem.
17:56 < passstab> https://paste.debian.net/1379567 sorry, that was the wrong link
17:57 < Bradipo> Ok yeah, so it's wasted.
17:57 < passstab> ?
17:57 < Bradipo> Well, it shows none of the original partitions.
17:57 < Bradipo> No duid, etc.
17:57 < passstab> so I can't fix it?
17:57 < Bradipo> Sure you can.
17:58 < Bradipo> The disklabel is wasted, not the disk.
17:58 < passstab> ah, good
17:58 < Bradipo> In fact, you can probably use this copy of the disklable to completely rewrite the disklabel.
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17:59 < Bradipo> e.g. disklabel -R sd0 /path/to/originaldisklabel.sd0
17:59 < Bradipo> That should restore the disklabel.
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18:00 < Bradipo> There are a few lines missing from your pastebin at the top of the disklabel, not sure if you just skipped them or what.
18:01 < Bradipo> Typically it starts with: # /dev/rsd0c:
18:01 < Bradipo> And has a type: and disk: keywords.
18:01 < Bradipo> Not sure if disklabel -R will require those or not.
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18:03 < mischief> how the hell does the ftplist magic in the installer work
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18:17 < passstab>  Bradipo: I don't see lines like that when I scroll up in the strings.
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18:18 < uwharrie> what "magic"?
18:18 < passstab> The line above it is "iic1 at ichiic0"
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18:19 < Bradipo> Interesting, might just be missing.
18:19 < Bradipo> You could try without and just see if it works.
18:19 < quinq> achii-c0
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18:22 < mischief> uwharrie: when you run the installer, if you write your own server, the ftplist cgi on openbsd.org will remember it
18:22 < Bradipo> openbsd.org remembers it?  Or the installer remembers it?
18:23 < mischief> *openbsd.org* remembers it.
18:23 < mischief> ex. fugu$ ftp -Vao - http://ftplist1.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/ftplist.cgi?dbversion=1
18:23 < mischief> https://bafybeic6sztoqhch5ydqgmymn36gg7b23soqfugvgyddkycqbmi4qil5di.ipfs.dweb.link/pub/OpenBSD
18:23 < mischief> http://mirrors.sonic.net/pub/OpenBSD                   San Francisco, CA, USA
18:23 < mischief> http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/pub/OpenBSD                 Berkeley, CA, USA
18:23 < mischief> http://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/pub/OpenBSD                 Boise, ID, USA
18:23 < mischief> once upon a time i set up a openbsd mirror in ipfs and used it
18:23 < mischief> so now when i ran the installer today in a fresh vm, i was offered it.
18:25 < uwharrie> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/distrib/miniroot/install.sub#L3354
18:26 < mischief> yes
18:27 < mischief> it's unclear if it does this per ip or some other segregation, though.
18:27 < mischief> since i assume nobody else would get my ipfs experiment in their result, or want that
18:28 < Bradipo> passstab: Any luck?
18:30 < mischief> anywho, i finally have a riscv64 openbsd system, albeit not hw native
18:31 < mischief> my milk-v megrez supports riscv virtualization extensions and kvm under linux, so i have kvm-enabled riscv64 vm of openbsd :-) https://0x0.st/8EDb.png
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18:34 < passstab> wha? somehow I see the missing lines now.
18:34 < mischief> all the daemons failing is not a great sign
18:36 < passstab> https://paste.debian.net/1379569
18:37 < Bradipo> mischief: So I've seen this installer behavior before, but I always assumed it was locally cached on the installer drive or something.
18:37 < Bradipo> I guess it makes sense that it couldn't be.
18:37 < Bradipo> passstab: Yes, that looks like the right stuff, yeah?  Are you going to risk it and just install the disklabel to the original disk?
18:38 < passstab> I should put that in a file and use "disklabel -R {file} sdx" ?
18:38 < passstab> I'm tempted, but I probably won't
18:38 < Bradipo> Well, the only thing that would do is create a new disklabel on sdx.
18:39 < Bradipo> And if it's the correct drive then there isn't much risk.
18:39 < Bradipo> Otherwise, I suppose you could do the same command but use your *new* disk.
18:39 < Bradipo> disklabel -R sd1 {file}
18:40 < passstab> If there really isn't much risk, I guess I'll give it a shot.
18:40 < Bradipo> You could try it first on the *new* drive.
18:40 < Bradipo> See how it works.
18:41 < passstab> that is what I want to do, but I think I've misplaced that drive.
18:41 < passstab> I probably can't get it until Monday.
18:41 < Bradipo> Well, if this were my recovery operation, I would probably risk it because it's just the disklabel that you're modifying.
18:41 < Bradipo> And in theory you have the *backup* copy still, right? :-)
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18:42 < Bradipo> But if you want to wait until Monday to try on the backup drive, that's fine.
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18:46 < passstab> ok, here goes nothing...
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18:49 < passstab> Bradipo: "disklabel: DIOWDINFO Input/output error"
18:49 < passstab> Apparently that means there is a problem with the hardware?
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18:51 < Bradipo> I'm not sure.
18:52 < Bradipo> I wonder if disklabel requires a valid GPT or MBR...
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18:54 < Bradipo> You could try just doing an interactive edit...
18:54 < Bradipo> disklabel -E sd0
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18:56 < passstab> That seems like a lot of room for error, but I guess, if there really isn't much risk now that I have a copy of the good one, and a backup of the entire disk.
18:57 < Bradipo> Well, again, it's just the disklabel.
18:57 < Bradipo> Not data.
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19:14 < passstab> Bradipo: should I skip recreating disklabels i, j, and k? Label i is unknown in the original.
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19:15 < Bradipo> Yeah, for now.
19:15 < Bradipo> I would just worry about the ones you care about.
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19:24 < passstab> Bradipo: How do I set the mount points? I'm trying n, and it says that I can't do that without the -F or -f flags.
19:24 < Bradipo> You don't need to do that.
19:24 < Bradipo> Just get the label fixed and then you can mount using the mount command.
19:24 < Bradipo> You aren't going to have a bootable system at this point.
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19:27 < Bradipo> You just want to be able to type: mount -o ro /dev/sd1a /mnt/oldroot
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19:27 < passstab> Is the cpg column relevant?
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19:27 < Bradipo> You should just set the offset and the size.
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19:28 < Bradipo> e.g. in the editor type 'a' to add a new partition.
19:28 < passstab> I did. I was just checking that they are, in fact, identical.
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19:28 < Bradipo> I see.
19:28 < passstab> and confirming that other things aren't an issue.
19:28 < Bradipo> Then you type in 'a' for the first partition, and set the offset and size and fstypte.
19:29 < Bradipo> The other things are superfluous at this point I think.
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19:30 < Bradipo> You could even set the duid to the be same I think if you wanted 81077e9f44b21a0d
19:32 < passstab> ugh, just tried to write, and got the same error.
19:32 < passstab> "disklabel: DIOWDINFO Input/output error"
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19:32 < Bradipo> And you're sure you're editing the correct disk?
19:33 < Bradipo> I still wonder if it's due to lack of MBR/GPT or something.
19:33 < passstab> yes, I am.
19:34 < passstab> just confirmed by grepping dmesg.
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19:43 < passstab> Bradipo: I guess I'll stop for the day. Thanks again.
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19:51 < ttydes> anyone hosting a vps with netcup? i hear stories of success but i'm getting dc_atapi_start not ready, st = 50 errors.
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19:58 < sibiria> ttydes: if that's you trying to boot off of the .iso, try the install kernel instead
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20:00 < ttydes> siberia: the install kernel? are you referring to the img?
20:00 < sibiria> ttydes: the miniroot
20:01 < sibiria> boot the vm into linux, or rescue mode if available, and just "dd" the miniroot image to the main disk
20:04 < ttydes> siberia: cheers. ill give that a pop
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23:05 < jmabsd> Hi all, just curious: Can you use OpenBSD's bridge function as a "software Ethernet switch" when you have many NIC ports?
23:05 < jmabsd> So you make a bridge between say 5 SFP28 ports. Will this automatically work as a switch?
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23:05 < jmabsd> And second question, what kind of performance do you think you get, in terms of PPS or bandwidth. On a computer with quite good single core and multi core performance.
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23:11 < mischief> try it and see
23:11 < mischief> veb(4) is maybe the superior option these days than bridge(4), though
23:13 < mischief> jmabsd: the original mail from dlg will probably clarify it for you https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=161335364329307&w=2
23:14 < jmabsd> Wow amazing, thank you. "veb" driver.
23:14 < jmabsd> mischief: What's your general idea of how well "veb" should work. So theoretically this switch would get 25gbps in on one port.
23:14 < jmabsd> How much might go through and go out on another port?  in terms of pps and gbps
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23:17 < mischief> i'm a baby user, the fastest thing i have is 2.5gbe for openbsd
23:18 < mischief> though, i often hear people say openbsd has trouble pushing >=10Gbe
23:18 < mischief> the author, dlg, is in this channel and might have advice on bigger pipes for you
23:18 < jmabsd> An Internet search says, veb should give "near line rate" at 25gbps. It also uses the host computer multi-core. Awesome.
23:19 < jmabsd> misvhief: Thanks a ton for pointing to it.
23:19 < jmabsd> mischief: ah trouble >=10gbe. ok. well i might just need to try.
23:19 < jmabsd> as i get it, the PPS is another game than the gbps throughput as such.
23:19 < jmabsd> dlg: Are you around :)
23:20 < jmabsd> Google has this flattering to say re. deliver 25gbps: https://ctrlv.link/9b4w
23:22 < mischief> i'd trust that about as far as i can throw it
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23:24 < mischief> anyway, you should probably go look and see if there is even a driver for your card with sfp28
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23:27 < jmabsd> "*If you're just bridging two interfaces to pass Ethernet frames directly between them you won't have problems saturating 10GbE on a recently modern CPU.* But if you want to actually engage with the traffic, and involve PF, it's a completely different story. You will need a bit of CPU grunt to handle just 2.5 Gbit/s even if your PF ruleset is sleek
23:27 < jmabsd> and efficient." https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/13u10bk/10gbs_openbsd_routerfirewall/ - Sounds like veb might have very good performance. And meanwhile NAT will do less than 10gbps.
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23:27 < jmabsd> mischief: Sounds like I need to try simply.
23:28 < mischief> correct
23:28 < mischief> if you have the hardware handy it would probably take you less than 10 minutes for a smoke test
23:28 < mischief> if you know how to configure it
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23:49 < jmabsd> mischief: Yea. I think it sounds totally worth it to try. Either the speed is great and all is great, or, it's not great and then question becomes either can it be fixed, or do I need to change hardware _or_ OS/software. That simple.
23:51 < morpho> Openbsd speed is great
23:52 < jmabsd> Awesome, thanks.
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23:52 < jmabsd> I did a lot of OpenBSD benchmarks in the past. The point that I am guessing is weakest still, is that the whole filesystem is single-threaded. At least it was ~4y ago
23:52 < morpho> Yeah FS is biggest bottleneck 
23:52 < jmabsd> All under one mutex. NVMe queues are fed with depth 1 and accessed in a serial fashion, meaning the global disk IO speed is around 70(to 120)MB/sec
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23:59 < mischief> i dont think thats true, even my poopy J4115 gets faster than that from an also poopy HP branded SATA SSD i got for free
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