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02:48 < mason> Hey all. Is there a guide or are there any caveats to doing an install to RAID1C or is it going to look like a vanilla softraid install? Haven't installed FreeBSD in a dog's age and I want to skip the "model on VM" step and go straight to hardware.
02:48 < mason> s/FreeBSD/OpenBSD/
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02:53 < lts> Last I tried (a couple years ago), OpenBSD does raid1 ok and does encryption great, but performance suffers greatly when doing them together
02:55 < mason> lts: Anything special to do setting it up?
02:55 < lts> Not really, it's just a combination of items at https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraid
02:55 < mason> Cool, thank you.
02:59 < lts> https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/13t4nsm/encrypting_raid_1_disks/ looks like it has good further links and details too
03:02 < mason> Thank you again. :)
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04:12 < mason> Hrm, I downloaded an image with sets and assumed the installer would have them mounted up and available, but when I told it "disk" and took the default it was unhappy. Doing "http" now but I'm curious what I needed to do to mount up the sets, given that evidently it wasn't done automatically booting the installer.
04:13 < mason> I'm not sure if there's a way to get multiple consoles so I could poke about, and I've already control-c'd out a couple times to verify things.
04:14 < mason> Ooh, and it ran out of space, suggesting that I did incorrect partitioning.
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04:36 < njn> choosing the correct disk and partition letter?
04:38 < njn> if your booting from just a ram disk, it wont have the sets.
04:38 < njn> then you will have to set up your network.
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04:40 < njn> or use an install image
04:41 < njn> you shouldnt need to mount anything. it will mount the disk during the install script.
04:42 < njn> as long as your choosing the correct disk and partition letter
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06:49 < mischief> mason: you can type '!' at almost any installer prompt to drop to a shell
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07:11 < rIMpossible> G'morning. Are there firmware updates updated during a release?
07:15 < IcePic> yes, could be
07:15 < IcePic> just run fw_update once in a while and see if it does anything
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07:48 < rIMpossible> IcePic: Thought so, dates are from 2025-06-09, before it was 2025-05-20 (last I saw). Kinda confusing, because all *.tgz are same date, but fw_update shows nothing (I guess, for the fw's I have, there is no upd)
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12:35 < jxl> welp, pulseaudio seems to have kicked the bucket in a recent snapshot
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12:54 < ssm_> rIMpossible: if your arch supports sysupgrade, I've had it run during bsd.rd's autoupgrade. and the subsequent boot, for whatever reason
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15:37 < mason> mischief: Awesome, thank you!
15:39 < mason> njn: I believe I was choosing correctly. I had sd0 and sd1, set them up as RAID1C, and after that I had sd3 and sd4. The installer wasn't happy while sd4, but I believe sd3 was equivalent to the old slice c, or slightly less old slice d for whole disk, if I'm not bungling the terminology. It's been a long long time.
15:40 < mason> I lack confidence in my having specified the right block count, so I want to figure out just what that is.
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15:59 < sibiria> not sd2?
16:00 < sibiria> that should've been the pseudo-device created by bioctl
16:00 < sibiria> assuming you had only sd0 and sd1
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16:00 < dansimon> Hi guys!
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16:01 < sibiria> be aware that performance is reduced to a fraction by every disk you add to RAID1/5 under openbsd
16:01 < sibiria> whether crypto or not
16:02 < mason> sibiria: Oh, I wonder if I'm misremembering now. I'll try it again and take detailed notes.
16:02 < sibiria> RAID 0/1/5*
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16:07 < passstab> Bradipo: Should I try fdisk -R before disklabel -R?
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16:09 < Bradipo> You could try that, sure.
16:10 < Bradipo> Though, I don't know what -R is.
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16:12 < passstab> Bradipo: It creates a partition table based on a file, similar to how it does in disklabel.
16:12 < passstab> I have both the disklabel, and the gpt table from strings.
16:13 < Bradipo> I don't see any -R in fdisk(8).
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16:14 < passstab> uh, I do? https://man.openbsd.org/fdisk
16:16 < Bradipo> Interesting.
16:16 < Bradipo> I'm on 7.6 and apparently 7.6 fdisk(8) does *not* have -R.
16:16 < Bradipo> Neither does 7.7.  So are you planning on using a snapshot?
16:16 < Bradipo> https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.7/fdisk
16:17 < Bradipo> Do you have a copy of the fdisk for this disk?
16:17 < passstab> Oh, hmm.
16:17 < passstab> You mean the GPT table?
16:18 < Bradipo> Yeah, I believe fdisk handles GPT.
16:20 < passstab> https://paste.debian.net/1379946/
16:20 < Bradipo> Yeah, ok.
16:20 < Bradipo> So you should be able to edit a GPT with fdisk and just set the boundaries of a partition for OpenBSD.
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16:26 < passstab> Bradipo I'm in interactive mode in fdisk, should I use "edit" to bound that partition? I would expect to use something like "new."
16:28 < Bradipo> Maybe. :-)
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16:35 < passstab> Bradipo I think I restored both the fdisk and disklabel, I just successfully mounted one of the partitions.
16:35 < passstab> Now how can I make it bootable?
16:36 < Bradipo> Well, making it bootable is going to be something you have to decide upon.
16:36 < Bradipo> You currently have no working EFI right?
16:36 < passstab> right
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16:39 < Bradipo> Which partitions have data that you care about?
16:40 < passstab> Assuming that the windows data is gone, which, as I understand, is fair. Just the one openbsd partition.
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16:41 < Bradipo> I know you think you're safe with the dd backup that you have, but if you can mount the partitions that you care about and use dump/tar to back up the filesystem that way, that would be extra assurance.
16:41 < Bradipo> Which one OpenBSD partition?
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16:41 < Bradipo> Your disklabel says you have more than one.
16:41 < Bradipo> You want *all* OpenBSD partitions?
16:42 < passstab> I suppose /home is the only really important one.
16:42 < Bradipo> If you haven't customized anything else, then yeah.
16:43 < Bradipo> How much data does /home have?
16:43 < Bradipo> Is it multi-GB?
16:43 < passstab> probably not even.
16:43 < Bradipo> Here's what I'm thinking...
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16:44 < Bradipo> Backup the /home partition using dump and gzip (to compress).  Then just boot the installer and perform an "upgrade".
16:44 < Bradipo> That *might* work for getting it bootable again.
16:46 < Bradipo> You can backup the /home partition to your bootable USB stick.
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16:47 < Bradipo> Just an extra precaution.
16:48 < passstab> Good idea, I'm reading the dump man page.
16:48 < Bradipo> I can give you a simple brief command.
16:52 < Bradipo> You could mount your /home partition read-only in /mnt/home
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16:53 < Bradipo> Or if you want, I think you can just dump the raw device.
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17:00 < Bradipo> "the device of an unmounted filesystem or the disklabel(8) UID can be used."
17:00 < passstab> Bradipo Is it "dump /mnt/home | gzip -o ./homebackup.gz"
17:01 < passstab> oh
17:01 < Bradipo> So you could just use the disklabel UID.
17:01 < passstab> does that matter?
17:01 < passstab> or is it just cleaner
17:02 < Bradipo> dump 0f - DUID.h | gzip -v -o ./homebackup.gz
17:02 < Bradipo> Not sure if it's cleaner, but it's more explicit.
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17:04 < passstab> Bradipo why won't that one backup the entire disk?
17:04 < Bradipo> Because .h is a single partition.
17:05 < Bradipo> dump cannot backup an entire disk, only individual filesystems.
17:05 < passstab> ahh, cool
17:05 < Bradipo> I don't know what your disklabels says is the right partition.
17:05 < Bradipo> I used .h as an example.
17:05 < Bradipo> Make sure you know what the right label is.
17:07 < Bradipo> What is your /home partition label?
17:07 < Bradipo> You should get that from the disklabel output where it says "duid:"
17:07 < passstab> it is h, I was just triple checking that was correct.
17:08 < Bradipo> Aha, ok, you used .h for home, nice.
17:08 < passstab> that is default, right?
17:08 < Bradipo> No, I don't think so.
17:08 < Bradipo> If you don't know what it is, you can mount .a and view the fstab.
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17:09 < Bradipo> mount -o ro DUID.a /mnt
17:09 < Bradipo> Then cat /etc/fstab
17:09 < Bradipo> Sorry, cat /mnt/etc/fstab
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17:12 < passstab> great, just confirmed that.
17:12 < Bradipo> Then: umount /mnt
17:12 < Bradipo> And if you have mounted the /home somewhere you should unmount that too.
17:13 < passstab> I mounted /home and am dumping that now.
17:13 < Bradipo> Ok.
17:13 < Bradipo> I would have just dumped the device rather than mounting it, but that works too.
17:13 < passstab> I started before you said that.
17:17 < passstab> After this, I boot the installer, and "upgrade?"
17:19 < Bradipo> Yeah, just make sure the .gz file is somewhat large as you would expect it to contain /home :-)
17:20 < passstab> around what compression ratio should I expect?
17:21 < Bradipo> You could list the contents...
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17:24 < Bradipo> gzip -dc ./homebackup.gz | restore -t -f -
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17:25 < passstab> yes, that looks good
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17:25 < passstab> Now I just need to find my installer usb
17:26 < Bradipo> Well, aren't you using the installer USB already?
17:26 < Bradipo> At the boot> prompt just type bsd.rd
17:26 < Bradipo> That will start the installer!
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17:26 < ssm_> the rd means ramdisk, so you can even do in-place installs
17:27 < passstab> oh, nice
17:28 < Bradipo> Yep.
17:28 < njn> hey all
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17:28 < passstab> Bradipo Does it matter that the system we are recovering is on -current?
17:28 < Bradipo> Oh...
17:28 < Bradipo> Yeah, it might.
17:29 < Bradipo> What version of OpenBSD did you install to your bootable USB?
17:29 < passstab> 7.7
17:30 < passstab> I could put that on current?
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17:31 < njn> im currently tracking current, but im thinking about going back to a RELEASE and patching instead
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17:32 < Bradipo> passstab: Well, is there a specific reason why you're using current?
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17:33 < passstab> not really.
17:33 < Bradipo> Then you might as well just install (not upgrade).
17:33 < Bradipo> Redo the entire thing.  You have a backup copy of /home on the bootable USB right?
17:34 < Bradipo> You have a 7.7 installer on that bootable USB yeah?
17:34 < Bradipo> So just reinstall.
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17:34 < Bradipo> You can even tell the installer to not overwrite your current /home by reusing the same disklabel.
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17:42 < sibiria> specifically by not giving a mount-point to the label
17:42 < sibiria> else it will be zapped
17:42 < sibiria> to the file system*
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17:47 < passstab> The faster TCP was appealing to me.
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17:49 < passstab> Would moving the usb to current before upgrade work?
17:54 < sonya> hmm.. could someone please remind/point me why and approximately when EC_METHOD, EC_GROUP_method_of were removed from (base) libressl? or am i looking into wrong direction? thanks..
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17:56 < mischief> sonya: git is handy for answering that
17:56 < sonya> mischief: ok, will try that, thanks..
17:57 < quinq> (hint: git log -F)
17:58 < Bradipo> passstab: Why do you want current?
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17:59 < phy1729> in this case I'd git bisect with a command to grep for EC_METHOD in whichever file
17:59 < Bradipo> I would say that running -current is for advanced users.
17:59 < passstab> ok
18:00 < quinq> phy1729, no need for bisect when you have log -F
18:00 < phy1729> depends on if it got included in the message
18:02 < quinq> No, it searches the actual diff
18:02 < quinq> Sorry, I meant -G (combined with -F in this case)
18:03 < phy1729> ah
18:03 < phy1729> TIL
18:04 < quinq> That's pretty handy!
18:06 < quinq> Looking at the man-page, maybe -S would be “sufficient” here
18:06 < passstab> How do I reuse the disklabel? Is there anything else I should do before beginning?
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18:20 < passstab> Bradipo will I need to manually enter the exact offsets and sizes of everything?
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18:28 < Bradipo> passstab: It should be able to reuse the existing disklabel that is there.
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18:33 < sonya> well, 3.3Gb downloaded and the answer received.. mischief, quinq - thanks..
18:34 < quinq> sonya, gg :)
18:35 < quinq> (here the src/base git repo is only 1.6GB)
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18:36 < mischief> i tend to only use the git repo.. i even mirrored it to my local gitea instance
18:37 < quinq> git electronic arts?
18:38 < mischief> korrekt
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18:46 < njn> i just dont have the time to follow every change in current
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19:01 < mischief> most of the time i have the git repo around just to be able to read the code and understand how things are working
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19:06 < jxl> fsck me, ufs needs to get replaced by something better. just had my shell history file restored as weechat's plugins.conf
19:06 < jxl> wtf
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19:08 < militantorc> jxl, what did weechat say
19:10 < Bradipo> restored?
19:10 < Bradipo> fsck doesn't restore files.  It might relink files into /lost+found but it doesn't restore anything.
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19:14 < systemdsucks> I guess that's the daily weird and random freebsd statement
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19:15 < jxl> Bradipo: fsck as in fuck; to be partly self-censoring
19:17 < jxl> militantorc: that the commands in the file were not part of a section, and those commands were my zsh history
19:17 < militantorc> jxl, probably something like that. I was just wondering what a funny interpreation would be. weechat suddenly turning into your terminal for example and saying i will no longer do irc
19:18 < jxl> yeah, this is one of the weirdest recoveries i've seen to date.
19:20 < jxl> btw, anyone running hammer2 on openbsd from Tomohiro Kusumi's patches?
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19:59 < ssm_> since ffs lacks trim support, does that mean that anything you write to flash storage is there forever even if the inode is removed and easily recoverable by forensic analysis? I forget exactly why trim was supposed to prevent this, my knowledge of flash storage is basically nill
20:00 < ssm_> I've read you can write zeros over a device (with dd, usually) 2~3 times to wipe most flash storage but that's not very practical for regular usage
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20:01 < ssm_> also smart erase is supposed to work
20:02 < IcePic> trim will not help if the flash ever remapped the sector
20:03 < IcePic> in that case, the powers that be will find the old sector, and if your secrets were there, trimming the new replacement sector over and over will not help
20:03 < IcePic> if you want to prevent analysis, only writing encrypted data will work. And wipe is just "reset key to something you dont remember"
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20:16 < sonya> ssm_: i could be wrong, but recent ssd's mostly rely to controller's garbage collector and other controller logic (it's a hardware, that manage data storage inside ssd).. so, in general, trim is useless.. and only thing that matter is a provisioning/overprovisioning of a free space for a smooth controller's work..
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20:17 < phy1729> I thought trim was needed so the controller knows which blocks the filesystem no longer cares about.
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20:18 < sonya> in the early versions of ssd - yes..
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20:20 < r3s0> is it possible to mount a bitlocker encrypted windows partition? I'm guessing the answer is no
20:20 < sonya> but now, imho, controller cares to distribute received data in more or less equal proportion within available blocks.. and it doesn't care about all fs lies and other fs stuff..
20:20 < jxl> icepic is right. the only reliable way is to explicitly write. this has really always been the case to circumvent any speed optimizations that may be in place for deleting
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20:24 < Bradipo> r3s0: I don't know but I'm also willing to guess that the answer is a resounding no.
20:25 < Bradipo> There may be some tools in ports that will accomodate using fuse?  Who knows.
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22:51 < passstab> I just did a fresh install, and it still won't boot.
22:52 < fro> ok
22:59 < passstab> In the installer, it says "installboot: /mnt/user/mdec/biosboot extends beyond sector 268435455. OpenBSD might not boot."
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23:08 < passstab> I"m trying to run installboot now, and at first it said no such file or directory.
23:11 < passstab> How is that directory supposed to get there?
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23:15 < passstab> that is, /usr/mdec/biosboot doesn't exist.
23:19 < pardis> running installboot again when it already ran and gave you a specific reason why booting may fail is unlikely to help
23:21 < mischief> it's part of the base set
23:22 < passstab> What should I do about it?
23:22 < pardis> don't put your OpenBSD partition so far away from the start of the disk
23:23 < passstab> It worked last time, I guess there is no harm in just starting at the start of the disk at this point
23:24 < pardis> didn't you say you were using GPT last time?
23:24 < pardis> biosboot is for MBR partitioning, not GPT
23:24 < passstab> oh, hmm
23:24 < pardis> if you are going to multiboot, it is assumed that you understand the boot process well enough to deal with problems like this
23:25 < pardis> OpenBSD explicitly does not help you with this use case
23:25 < passstab> I'm not even trying to do that anymore.
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