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07:02 < rIMpossible> G'morning :)
07:05 < rIMpossible> Where may I put a script for lpd which accesses it via the path defined in /etc/printcap under "if=" ? The script would have membership in the group daemon or if it is needed, with even lower permissions. Any advice for me?
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16:43 < deimosBSD> what do the cool people use to generate simple images/webpages from collectd/rrd these days? say I don't want to setup a whole prometheus/grafana because hourly or daily updates are all that is needed. I wrote a shell script to rrdtool graph into a dir, but mrtg used to be a thing.
16:44 < Bradipo> I usually just write a script for it.
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16:45 < Bradipo> The last one I wrote in Tcl using the Rrd package.
16:45 < Bradipo> But, I imagine you could just the rrdtool command too?
16:46 < deimosBSD> i have a some code in julia, but 1) openbsd doesn't have a julia package, 2) i don't want to maintain rrd.jl forever
16:47 < deimosBSD> my shell script uses 'rrdtool graph' for every rrd in the collectd dirs
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16:48 < deimosBSD> i saw facette in ports, and victoriametrics has a pkg, but i was going to dead simple and lazy
16:49 < deimosBSD> s/to/for/
16:49 < Bradipo> Yeah, rrdtool is just good enough, and simple enough, to not bother with other things.
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16:50 < deimosBSD> thanks for confirming
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18:12 < shtrophic> Question about vmm VMs: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html on the bottom at "Option 4 - VMs on the real network" it says that "Virtual machines can be connected to a real network but isolated from the host by omitting the vport interface in the configuration above". What part does this exactly refer to? Only the "Create the veb0 interface and add the em0 and vport0 interfaces", or also above: "Move the IP configuration from em0 to vport0"?
18:15 < mischief> shtrophic: > Option 3 - Additional control over the VM network configuration
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18:25 < shtrophic> okay, and how is then the pf.conf line for NAT from vport0 supposed to work?
18:25 < shtrophic> if vport0 is not created in the first place
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18:25 < shtrophic> and "/etc/hostname.veb0" would then only consist of "up", amirite?
18:28 < shtrophic> I'm confused
18:28 < Bradipo> You're part of the Amirite tribe?
18:29 < shtrophic> No, actually, I'm part of the Usuallywrong tribe
18:29 < Bradipo> At least you have a sense of humour, hopefully not all vitreous.
18:35 < shtrophic> To put it into context, I'm trying to run a VM on a host, such that an aliased IP-address of the egress interface of the host is used for one VM
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18:38 < shtrophic> I realize that this is probably pretty much what https://openbsd.amsterdam/setup.html are doing
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19:05 < mischief> > how is then the pf.conf line for NAT from vport0
19:05 < mischief> don't add it?
19:07 < mischief> veb is just a switch, and will take over the interfaces inside
19:08 < mischief> if you don't add a vport, your host will not be part of that switch or talk to the underlying interfaces
19:09 < IcePic> shtrophic: why would you alias the ip, if you could "just" bridge the ext if with a virtual if given to the vm?
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19:15 < IcePic> I'm just thinking that an alias means the host wants to accept such packets because it is for "me" not just arrived on the ethernet but actually has my ip as a destination, then you have to trick it out of believing just that, and send it to the VM, which then need to get the same impression again, sort of. If the ext if is part of a bridge (or veb or tpmr or whatever) and this vm's (virtual) eth also is, 
19:15 < IcePic> then the guest can send out its own dhcp requests (or arp replies) with its own mac and so forth
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19:20 < sibiria> in my experience, the easiest (but not always the most suitable) networking for VMM is to just use local interfaces and filter/route their traffic as if they were any other interface on the machine
19:21 < sibiria> <vmm/vmd> just tap(4) dat ass
19:23 < sibiria> that also lets you host all of them on a single tap(4) interface, or each vm on its own interface, whichever you see fit
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21:18 < echelon> which package contains xxd?
21:19 < echelon> or is there an equivalent tool
21:20 < pardis> pkglocate '*bin/xxd' brings up a lot of lines starting with vim
21:20 < pardis> there is also hexdump(1)
21:20 < pardis> and od(1)
21:21 < echelon> thanks!
21:22 < quinq> od has the advantage to be standard
21:22 < quinq> xxd is nice for “reversing” dumps
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21:59 < echelon> is there a easy way to clrl-c out of tcpdump?
21:59 < echelon> ctrl-c*
21:59 < echelon> it doesn't seem to be responsive, or takes a really long time
22:00 < lolok> did you try ^d and ^]
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22:02 < echelon> lolok: yes
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22:15 < Bradipo> Why would ^d and ^] work with tcpdump?
22:15 < Bradipo> echelon: Did you run tcpdump on a network facing interface through which you had actually logged in, thus flooding the network?
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22:18 < echelon> Bradipo: i just did tcpdump -a
22:19 < quinq> Try ^x
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22:20 < echelon> still not thing
22:22 < metavoid> are you in tmux and in scroll mode?
22:22 < echelon> i'm in tmux, not in scroll mode
22:22 < echelon> Ctrl-C eventually works, it just takes a long time
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22:25 < Bradipo> Again, are you logged in via the interface that you're capturing?
22:25 < Bradipo> If so, you're probably flooding the dump with packets from your SSH session and it will take a while for it to catch up.
22:25 < Bradipo> Basically you're creating a feedback loop.
22:26 < echelon> yes, but i'm doing.. tcpdump -i em0 not port 22
22:26 < Bradipo> Oh, I thought you did tcpdump -a...
22:27 < echelon> yes, after your suggestion, but i wasn't seeing any of the ssh traffic anyway
22:27 < Bradipo> But sure, if you're filtering out the port 22 traffic then you shouldn't be making a feedback loop.
22:27 < echelon> when i was doing tcpdump -a
22:27 < Bradipo> Ok, it's just a possibility.  I know I've done that before (capture SSH traffic on the same interface that I'm using SSH).
22:32 < Bradipo> Does it behave differently if you use -n ?
22:33 < echelon> it picks up more traffic
22:33 < echelon> Bradipo: yes!
22:33 < echelon> that did it
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22:34 < Bradipo> So it's blocking on DNS lookups and the PTRs for the IPs that are being captured must have lame or broken NS delegations or something.
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22:36 < echelon> ah, that's probably it.. it's a airgapped env with no dns
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22:50 < mischief> i usually always write tcpdump -n -tt -v -e out of habit
22:51 < mischief> sometimes with a bigger -s, or -A
22:52 < Bradipo> Yeah, I only use -e when I'm looking at pflog interfaces.
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