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09:44 < jxl> have the saturday chats started yet?
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11:45 < usagi_mimi> to whomever said it was the clang update thanks. Seems that is what it was
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13:25 < seninha> Hi. I on a Thinkpad T430 and although the speaker's mute/vol-down/vol-up button work, the microphone mute toggle button does not. I checked /usr/src/sys/dev/acpi/acpithinkpad.c and, in thinkpad_hotkey(), the case for THINKPAD_BUTTON_MICROPHONE_MUTE is conditionally compiled in a #if/#endif. I could not find where NAUDIO and NWSKBD are defined nor to check whether the default amd64 is compiled with those constants defined and non-zero.
13:26 < seninha> How can i get the microphone mute button working? Is that part of the code compiled on the default kernel? If yes, why that button does not work?
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13:31 < seninha> Someone reported that issue before https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=162273629312895&w=2
13:31 < seninha> But the OP did not get a solution.
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15:35 < dansimon> I just installed OpenBSD 7.7 on a rusty ~20 year old lappy, works like a charm, wifi and all, cool stuff!
15:36 < zelest> :D
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16:05  * oldlaptop recommends keeping laptops clean and dry and away from saltwater
16:05 < oldlaptop> rust is preventable
16:05 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> not anymore... it seems to be everywhere
16:07 < systemdsucks> not on openbsd's kernel ATM
16:07 < systemdsucks> maybe on freebsd's
16:08 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> don't worry it will get there ;P
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16:10 < systemdsucks> ¬¬
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16:15 < dansimon> I'm just blown away by how well this old machine runs on OBSD, dvd's, games, you name it, even YouTube in Firefox (although quite laggy, yt-dlp downloading a low res video and playing it in mpv works like a charm though)
16:16 < dansimon> I tested the machine in other *BSD's and Linuxes, but so far OpenBSD is ahead, by a significant margin :)
16:17 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> specially when installed from source
16:17 < systemdsucks> meine lappy is just a decade old but I understand the feeling
16:18 < dansimon> g4rrgl3n0m4d: Do you get any performance gains by recompiling from source..?
16:18 < oldlaptop> No.
16:19 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> I have less issues when adding pkg
16:19 < dansimon> Ah, I see.
16:19 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> but I guess because I came from Gentoo linux to openbsd
16:19 < dansimon> Well so far, I haven't run into segfaults etc in OpenBSD, but there was a lot of that in NetBSD ;)
16:19 < oldlaptop> Either you get the same thing as the actual release, or you've fiddled with things (and either you don't need to ask, or you probably shouldn't be fiddling with them).
16:20 < systemdsucks> binary upgrades actually work here
16:20 < systemdsucks> no need for recompiling
16:20 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> as long I can use windowmaker a fast terminal and neovim I'm home
16:21 < oldlaptop> Arguable, partial exception for -current versus snapshots, simply because you probably *would* end up building from at least a slightly different source tree than any random snapshot.
16:21 < oldlaptop> (and sometimes snapshots have been known to contain uncommitted patches for testing - as during the Great Pledging a few years ago)
16:21 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> well I'm trying to build an openbsd to run in a rk3566 SOC
16:22 < systemdsucks> someone pointed out not long ago wmicons is packed
16:22 < oldlaptop> Porting to currently-unsupported hardware is a "you shouldn't need to ask" sort of case.
16:23 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> it is supported, just the motherboard dtb is not
16:24 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> it's an arm64
16:24 < dansimon> g4rrgl3n0m4d: The only app that couldn't make it so far on my old rust bucket was LibreOffice, of course I haven't tested FlightGear yet...
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16:25 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> since I retired I haven't installed any office apps
16:25 < pardis> editing a text document has become one of the hardest problems in computer science
16:26 < dansimon> Yeah, I write by own stuff in troff, but other people keep sending me MS Office files, annoying.
16:27 < systemdsucks> for many people it's impossible if google docs is not reachable
16:28 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> haven't used google stuff for more than 15 years with the exceptional google search when I feel lazy to type duckduckgo.com
16:29 < oldlaptop> I'd rather have to deal with a GSuite shop than an MSOffice shop. (At least as far as those products themselves go.)
16:30 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> what's that MSOffice?
16:30 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> shop?
16:33 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> got it MS app store
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16:47 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> oldlaptop in the https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html there's a few supported boards with rk3566 and I'm using this oportunity to get into Operating Systems and drivers
16:50 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> and this is the toy I'm playing with http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-CM4-1.html
16:53 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> my goal is to use this as a mini openbsd server
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16:58 < oldlaptop> <g4rrgl3n0m4d> shop?
16:58 < oldlaptop> In this context, an organization that uses MSOffice. (Think "workshop".)
16:59 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> ah
16:59 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> yeah I hated that too 
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17:05 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> I remember in one of the places I worked long time ago that I was forced to use windows xp and visual studio, I replace explorer wm with lite step and that messed with my boss head because he believed that I had replaced windows with linux
17:06 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> funny times
17:09 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> I'm surprised it's still there http://litestep.net/
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17:19 < dansimon> I feel a bit like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT71HwfiM_A
17:21 < pardis> OpenBSD ran great on my macppc iBook back when I used it (circa 2015)
17:21 < pardis> the only components that didn't work were the CD-ROM drive (not OpenBSD's fault; it seemed to be dead) and the AirPort wifi (poor documentation available for driver development)
17:22 < pardis> wifi did sort of work but would disconnect after a few minutes
17:26 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> yeah those were great machines
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17:28 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> I used to think apple was just expensive fad, huntil I bought one and I admit I don't like their politics but they sure do great hardware
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17:33 < mischief> speaking of old machines, just installed on my vintage thinkpad x301
17:34 < mischief> still has the same 16 year old AHCI bug complained about in https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=124946525020100&w=2
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17:40 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> by the way how does openbsd run in the M1 - M4 machines?
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18:42 < dansimon> g4rrgl3n0m4d: "The current target platforms are... Apple M1/M2" https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html
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18:46 < dansimon> mischief: Cool, my Dell Latitude D630 is only a year of so behind. Amazing fun with these old boxes :)
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19:16 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> thanks dansimon I might by one of those 2nd 
19:16 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> *buy
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19:17 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> while I'm waiting to asus rog flow z13 128gb get to European market...
19:29 < dansimon> g4rrgl3n0m4d: Keep in mind though that I haven't tried one myself, so I don't know how far along the port has come.
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