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14:22 < jxl> when I try to unxz a fedora coreos qcow2 that's xz compressed, mid-decompression, xz falls apart shouting that it couldn't allocate memory. the compressed image is 787 MB in size and the decompressed one should be about 1.9GB. I have plenty of free memory to accommodate that. running with different preset flags (-0 through -9) doesn't change a lot, except how deep into decompression it manages to
14:22 < jxl> get.
14:23 < jxl> is there a know i've not turned right?
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14:27 < jxl> s/know/knob/
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14:33 < byteskeptical> jxl: how much space is left in the cwd your uncompressing in? df -h
14:34 < sonya> jxl: only guess: check $ ulimit -d .. if size of partition is ok..  
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14:36 < quinq> Something strange is happening here
14:36 < quinq> On 7.7/amd64, I just did a syspatch for applying the three new erratas
14:36 < quinq> But only #5 and #6 applied, no error
14:36 < quinq> But #4 is missing
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14:37 < jxl> byteskeptical: a 100G roughly, so that's fine
14:37 < Lucas_> syspatch -l omits it?
14:37 < Lucas_> jxl: check your user ulimit
14:38 < Lucas_> quinq: syspatch -l omits it?
14:38 < jxl> you dudes may be right. let me bump that data size mf up
14:38 < quinq> Lucas_, it does
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14:38 < Lucas_> that's weird; it's for all arches
14:39 < quinq> https://clbin.com/XDrkM
14:39 < quinq> It works fine on other servers
14:40 < Lucas_> it's also missing 001
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14:41 < quinq> right :D
14:41 < quinq> uname -v
14:41 < quinq> GENERIC#619
14:41 < quinq> Looks correct
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14:42 < pardis> is KARL working on this system? the two that are missing are both kernel patches
14:42 < Lucas_> quinq: what arch and what mirror are you using?
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14:49 < jxl> Karl is on vacation. he'll be back in 2 weeks.
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14:51 < echelon> hi, i have "pass inet proto icmp all icmp-type echoreq" but i notice in packet captures i get "Destination unreachable (Port unreachable)" for icmp packet captures
14:51 < echelon> what else do i need?
14:51 < quinq> Lucas_, amd64 and https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD
14:52 < quinq> pardis, yeah that's what I was thinking about, but unsure how “KARL” can work or not
14:52 < pardis> do you have object files for your running kernel under /usr/share/relink/kernel?
14:52 < quinq> yep
14:53 < pardis> and if so, does relink.log under the GENERIC or GENERIC.MP directory indicate success?
14:53 < quinq> $ ls /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC/ | wc -l 583
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14:53 < quinq> nope :)
14:53 < quinq> $ cat /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC/relink.log
14:53 < quinq> gzip: stdin: Input/output error
14:53 < quinq> tar: End of archive volume 1 reached
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14:56 < pardis> looking at /usr/libexec/reorder_kernel, the only way I can see that it will invoke tar is when populating the directory initially, which implies that a kernel relink has not been attempted since that directory was created
14:56 < pardis> so something about the order of events doesn't seem to add up
14:57 < pardis> syspatch should have attemped a kernel relink if it had attempted to install those patches, which suggests that the relink files were put there after syspatch was run
14:57 < pardis> have you done any reinstalls or manual kernel wrangling on this system?
14:58 < quinq> No, it was upgraded from previous versions the usual way through sysupgrade
14:58 < quinq> It's possible that relink failed due to insufficient space before though, but I don't remember that
14:58 < quinq> /dev/sd0f      1.7G    1.1G    486M    71%    /usr
15:01 < pardis> if I'm reading that log correctly, the relink isn't failing, it's not even getting far enough to attempt relinking because it fails extracting the kernel objects
15:01 < pardis> does /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC.tgz still exist on the filesystem?
15:01 < pardis> the normal way KARL is initialised is that the installer puts that tgz there, then reorder_kernel extracts and deletes it
15:02 < pardis> but in this case that file seems to be truncated
15:02 < quinq> IT's not :D
15:02 < quinq> There's only /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC/
15:03 < quinq> ok, I'll remove GENERIC/ and install GENERIC.tgz from base.tgz
15:03 < quinq> Thanks for the help pardis and Lucas_ :)
15:03 < quinq> (sorry it's a bit unfair, but am at work now, will have to try later)
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15:08 < sonya> quinq: try to revert all installed syspatches (-R) and try with -c again..
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15:13 < jxl> would a specific transpiler go into devel ports or elsewhere? i want to bring in a port of butane, that converts yaml butane specs into ignition json docs
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15:23 < echelon> hi, i have a carp ip that's shared between two hosts, but when i ping the carp ip, the icmp request gets sent to both hosts and i get a duplicated reply
15:24 < echelon> how do i fix it so that only the active host replies?
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15:27 < echelon> Bradipo: are all hosts joined to a carp ip supposed to see icmp requests?
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15:31 < Bradipo> Not sure, it's been a long time since I actually used CARP.
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15:35 < echelon> Bradipo: is the carp ip supposed to appear under the carp0 interface for all hosts?
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16:21 < tk> Is there some example of how to use pf to do full nat?
16:22 < mischief> what's a full nat
16:22 < RobbieAB> A nat that has eaten well?
16:22 < RobbieAB> Or is that gnat? I can't remember
16:22 < tk> source and destination nat
16:22 < tk> I need to change the destination IP to a different one, and the source IP to a different one
16:23 < tk> and then on the return, translate back
16:23 < tk> as opposed to changing the destination IP on the way in, and then writing it back on the way out
16:23 < RobbieAB> Someone is going to hate you for this in the future, you do realise that?
16:23 < tk> s/to/& just/
16:23 < tk> I need it for about 3 days
16:24 < tk> Look, it's fine, I'll just use socat
16:24 < RobbieAB> And no, I haven't commit such appalling abominations in my openBSD usage... (Probably got linux ones that get into the same class)
16:27 < Bradipo> tk: Why not just have two nat-to rules?
16:27 < tk> Well maybe that would work but I am uncertain how to write those two nat-to rules
16:28 < Bradipo> Perhaps what you're really looking for is a binat-to rule?
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16:29 < tk> I believe binat-to doesn't solve changing the source IP
16:29 < tk> it just handles traditional port forward more or less
16:29 < tk> at least based on what it turns into
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16:30 < Bradipo> Ok, I'm just trying to fit your description.
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16:30 < Bradipo> You want to rewrite the destination address?  Typically with NAT what is rewritten is the source address.
16:31 < tk> the words "source" and "destination" are confusing in this scenario.
16:31 < Bradipo> Well, you said you "need to change the destination IP".
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16:32 < Bradipo> Maybe you want a nat-to and rdr-to on the outbound.
16:32 < tk> I have a network A and a network B and a router sitting between them. I want A.123 to be able to connect to A.1 (the A side IP of the router). the router must then rewrite the packet to be from B.1 and to B.123. When B.123 replies back to B.1, the router must then translate back the packet from being from B.123 to B.1 to being from A.1 to A.123.
16:32 < Bradipo> Whereas binat-to does nat-to outbound and rdr-to inbound.
16:32 < tk> binat-to will have the following issue
16:32 < tk> The initial packet A.123 -> A.1 will get translated as A.123 -> B.123
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16:33 < tk> And on the way back, the response will be B.123 -> A.123 and the router will turn this into A.1 -> A.123
16:33 < Bradipo> Why is A.123 connecting to A.1 if it wants to really connect to B.123?
16:33 < Bradipo> Shouldn't A.123 connect to B.123 *via* the router?
16:34 < tk> but the problem is that there never will be a reply, because host B doesn't know about the A network being routable through the router, it only knows how to reach the router.
16:34 < tk> This is where full NAT comes in, it fixes this problem without requiring B.123 to know how to reach A.123
16:34 < tk> by rewriting both the source and destination IP address in both directions
16:35 < Bradipo> And as it passes through A.B.R it will translate the source from A.123 to B.1 so that when B.123 responds it goes back to A.B.R which will then return the packet appropriately?
16:35 < Bradipo> B.123 doesn't need to know how to get to A.123.
16:35 < Bradipo> That's what nat-to is for.
16:35 < RobbieAB> For three days? This sounds like a candidate for a manually added static route
16:35 < tk> B.123 needs to have the router as its default gateway, or it needs to know how to route ot A.123
16:35 < Bradipo> Or just nat-to.
16:35 < tk> neither is the case here
16:36 < Bradipo> I still don't understand why nat-to outbound on B.1 wouldn't solve the issue.
16:36 < tk> There's other issues here in that there's filtering which prevents A.123 packets from reaching B.123 directly, and vice versa
16:36 < Bradipo> Filtering by which device?
16:37 < tk> I am not asking how to do full NAT because I have no clue about the 15 alternatives, I am asking how to do full NAT because it's the 1st easiest option for this situation with socat being the 2nd easiest option for this situation
16:37 < Bradipo> Why won't nat-to outbound on B.1 solve the issue of A.123 reaching B.123 and having return traffic arrive at A.123?
16:37 < tk> Bradipo: filtering by B.123's actual default gateway
16:38 < tk> Bradipo: I think it will, but I am asking how to write that
16:38 < Bradipo> But B.123 won't be sending traffic to it's default gateway.
16:38 < Bradipo> B.123 will respond back to B.1 because that's what nat-to does.
16:38 < tk> Yes, perfect
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16:38 < Bradipo> There are a number of nat-to examples in the man page.
16:39 < Bradipo> There's also an example in the PF FAQ: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/example1.html
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16:40 < Bradipo> Basically you'll want something like (in pseudo-pf syntax): pass out on B.NIC from A.NET to B.NET nat-to B.NIC
16:41 < Bradipo> Or: pass out on B.NIC from A.NET to B.NET nat-to B.1
16:41 < tk> So, in this case A.123 is any IP on the internet on the egress interface of the "router", A.1 is egress, B.1 is 192.168.10.1, and B.123 is 192.168.3.189
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16:45 < Bradipo> So just: pass out on B.NIC from any to 192.168.3.189 nat-to 192.168.3.189?
16:46 < Bradipo> Though, how a packet from the internet is going to get to A.NIC is an interesting problem to solve.
16:46 < Bradipo> 192.168.3.189 isn't a routable address so how will you get a packet for that address to arrive on A.1 ?
16:47 < tk> I have: "pass in on egress proto udp from any to egress port 56104 rdr-to 192.168.3.189" and "pass out on wg0 proto udp from any to 192.168.3.189 port 56104 nat-to (wg0:0)" and I would expect to have at least one half of this working
16:47 < Bradipo> Because "any IP on the internet" won't be able to send to 192.168.3.189 and have it go anywhere, least of all to your OpenBSD firewall.
16:47 < Bradipo> This tale keeps getting longer, lol.
16:47 < tk> Bradipo: the packet won't be for 192.168.3.189, it will be for A.1
16:48 < tk> (egress:0)
16:48 < Bradipo> Oh, you want a packet for A.1, I see.
16:48 < tk> Anyway, I have the above and the rdr-to is applying but that redirected packet isn't being nat-to'd
16:48 < Lucas_> jxl: I'd probably use textproc as the main category
16:48 < Bradipo> Right, so you have an rdr-to on the inbound rule...
16:49 < Bradipo> But then when it goes out to B.123 it sees the original source IP.
16:49 < tk> Yes that's the current behaviour
16:49 < Bradipo> Yep, picture clearing up now.
16:49 < tk> but the nat-to should be rewriting the source in this case, in the pass out on ... rule
16:49 < tk> I would think
16:50 < Bradipo> I'm not sure at this point what the behavior is with an rdr-to and a nat-to like this.
16:50  * RobbieAB notes this all sounds like a LOT of pain to avoid a pair of short term static routes
16:51 < tk> It's not static routes, I would have to reconfigure the wireguard mesh to allow IPs which it can't allow and which I can't know ahead of time.
16:51 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'm not sure a static route would help in this case.
16:51 < tk> and would need to change a firewall
16:51 < RobbieAB> Ok, so it is a lot more than just "A doesn't know how to get the packet to B"
16:52 < Bradipo> The packet arrives for A.1 but it needs to be forwarded to a different IP in B.  A static route won't solve that.
16:52 < Bradipo> It needs translation.
16:52 < Bradipo> You can do rdr-to, but that won't translate it.
16:52 < RobbieAB> The problem started as "one side (at least) doesn't know the path, so I translate at the router"
16:53 < Bradipo> Still, it seems that at least according to the documentation, binat-to should accomplish this.
16:54 < Bradipo> Also, the nat-to documentation does suggest that some level of "inbound" support is there.
16:55 < Bradipo> https://man.openbsd.org/pf.conf#nat-to
16:55 < Bradipo> Does say that: nat-to is usually applied outbound. If applied inbound, nat-to to a local IP address is not supported.
16:56 < Bradipo> Here, I assume "local" means on the OpenBSD host itself, not necessarily a network.
16:56 < Bradipo> But at any rate, binat-to seems like it should be doing what tk wants.
16:57 < tk> Okay...
16:57 < Bradipo> Though, you could just write it as two separate rules.
16:57 < tk> the first rule needed to be a match not a pass
16:58 < tk> At least the incoming side is working
16:58 < Bradipo> I almost never use match, sorry.
16:58 < tk> it's because both need to be applied
16:59 < tk> Or well, sorry, I should clarify, I switched to two in rules
16:59 < Bradipo> Ok, yeah, that might make more sense than binat-to.
16:59 < tk> It's now: `match in log on egress proto udp from any to egress port 56104 rdr-to 192.168.3.189` and `pass in log on egress proto udp from any to 192.168.3.189 port 56104 nat-to 192.168.10.1`
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17:00 < Bradipo> Ok, yeah, so you are doing rdr-to on inbound (which is atypical).
17:00 < Bradipo> Is that working?
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17:07 < Bradipo> Sorry, not rdr-to, but nat-to on inbound.
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17:10 < tk> Okay, so packets can reach A.123, but A.123 replies get a port unreachable when they arrive at A.1
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17:21 < tk> I think the nat table gets the wrong entry in this scenario
17:22 < tk> It gets the original src:dst IP pair
17:22 < tk> or not...
17:23 < tk> Looks correct: all udp 192.168.3.189:56104 (A.1:56104) <- 192.168.10.1:61670 (A.123:62903)       NO_TRAFFIC:SINGLE
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17:28 < tk> Okay, I think I have an alternative idea
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18:54 < quinq> 17:01:40  pardis$ does /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC.tgz still exist on the filesystem?
18:54 < quinq> 17:01:56  pardis$ the normal way KARL is initialised is that the installer puts that tgz there, then reorder_kernel extracts and deletes it
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18:54 < quinq> Actually there is /usr/share/relink/kernel.tgz
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18:54 < quinq> There's no GENERIC.tgz on any of my other systems
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18:55 < pardis> ah, I misread the reorder_kernel script
18:56 < pardis> kernel.tgz is what I meant
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19:02 < quinq> Yeah, it seems to be truncated actually, uploading now
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19:06 < quinq> $ cat /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC/relink.log
19:06 < quinq> (SHA256) /bsd: FAILED
19:06 < quinq> better ^^
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19:08 < quinq> pardis, syspatch working :)
19:08 < quinq> Thanks again
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19:15 < quinq> Relinking to create unique kernel...
19:15 < quinq> /usr: write failed, file system is full
19:15 < quinq> Damn partitionning
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19:17 < quinq> How naive of me having followed the automatic one
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19:20 < quinq> meanwhile usr/obj and usr/src 5GB with 4k used
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19:25 < mischief> relink writes into /usr?
19:26 < thrig> /obj -ection your honor!
19:28 < jxl> it shouldn't, as it couldn't if it's mounted ro
19:30 < sibiria> it does and it has to
19:30 < sibiria> it can't patch object files there unless /usr is writable
19:31 < sibiria> same goes for the executables and libraries that are also relinked
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19:31 < jxl> wait, this is the upgrade kernel. nevermind.
19:31 < jxl> that's fine
19:31 < jxl> literally what it's supposed to do.
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19:41 < quinq> It's not only on upgrade, it's at boot
19:43 < quinq> Also it does skip any ASRL if the partitions are mounted over nfs
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20:20 < Bradipo> Is there a good man page that describes file globbing to a newbie?
20:21 < Bradipo> e.g. someone who is willing to learn but has 0 experience with shells and how globbing works in the shell.
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20:21 < jgh> usually, "man sh"
20:21 < Bradipo> I thought ksh(1), but there is precious little there.
20:22 < Bradipo> sh(1) has even less than ksh(1) on the topic.
20:22 < Bradipo> glob(3) is more geared towards developers than newbies.
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20:24 < Bradipo> Ahh, interesting, the word "glob" isn't located in places where one would expect it in ksh(1).
20:24 < Bradipo> https://man.openbsd.org/ksh#Command_syntax might prove useful.
20:24 < jgh> does sh(1) have an "EXPANSION" section with a "Pathname Expansion" subsection?
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20:26 < Bradipo> Well, I think ksh(1) will suffice under "Command syntax" as I linked above.
20:27 < echelon> anyone know what "net.inet.ip.sourceroute=1
20:27 < Bradipo> But yes, the Expansion section in sh(1) may also be useful.
20:27 < Bradipo> Specifically, the discussion starting around "After field splitting, the shell matches filename patterns."
20:28 < echelon> anyone know what "net.inet.ip.sourceroute=1" does? man page just says > Returns 1 when forwarding of source-routed packets is enabled for the host.
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20:28 < Bradipo> https://man.openbsd.org/ksh#File_name_patterns
20:28 < Bradipo> Also a good reference.
20:28 < jgh> echelon: I *really* hope that isn't the IP "sourceroute" option.  Because that went out of favour well before the ark.
20:29 < echelon> well it's still in the man page
20:29 < echelon> what should i use instead?
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20:29 < echelon> in fact, let me explain what i'm trying to do
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20:30 < jgh> dhcp on the local net, your choice of ospf etc. in the wider world
20:30 < Bradipo> Yeah, as old as I am, I don't think I've ever actually had to worry about source route, lol.
20:31 < echelon> i have a virtual ip on carp0, but any icmp response goes back out on em0, how do i force it to use carp0's ip in the response?
20:32 < echelon> both ip's are both on the same subnet
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20:34 < jgh> that last item is generally not a good move
20:36 < jgh> many network stacks thend to have their assumptions violated at that point.  I can't say specifically that OpenBSD will be able to cope (or not)
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21:06 < dlg> echelon: are you talking about ping?
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21:31 < echelon> dlg: yes
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21:32 < dlg> ping replies should come from the ip they were sent to
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