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08:16 < skippy8> Hello. I have a problem with an installation script for gimp package.
08:16 < skippy8> Curenty there are 2 versions of gimp available: gimp-2.10.38p2 and gimp-3.0.4.
08:16 < skippy8> I would like the script to always install thei available 3.x.x version without a
08:16 < skippy8>  need to update it every time a new 3.x.x version is released.
08:16 < skippy8> I can install a specific version, e.g. "pkg_add gimp-3.0.4", but then every time
08:16 < skippy8>  the package is updated I also have to update my script.
08:16 < skippy8> I can also install available 2.x.x version via "pkg_ add gimp%stable" or "pkg_ad
08:16 < skippy8> d gimp--".
08:17 < skippy8> Is there a way how to do the same for 3.x.x version?
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09:17 < taleon> pkg_info -z gimp
09:19 < taleon> `pkg_info -z llvm' With llvm, it is easier to see when multiple versions are available.
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09:57 < jxl> taleon: that's not what they're asking 
09:58 < jxl> they're asking how to install a particular version branch without explicitly specifying it entirely. the case is gimp 3.x vs 2.x, where gimp%stable will install 2.x while they want 3.x
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10:05 < taleon> There is `pkg_add gimp`, `pkg_add gimp--%stable` and maybe `pkg_add gimp--%snapshot`. 
10:06 < taleon> With pkg_info -z, you can display the available versions. You cannot install versions other than those available in your release repo.
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10:11 < jxl> again, you're missing the key problem here. they want to non-interactively install a particular version, the 3.x variety, without explicitly specifying the whole version, so that once 3.0.4 is replaced by 3.0.5, they don't need to update their batch installation script to update that version.
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10:27 < taleon> I don't seem to understand the problem. Have you tried `pkg_add gimp--%2` or `pkg_add gimp--%3`? or with `pkg_add gimp--%stable` for version 2 and `pkg_add gimp--%snapshot` for the devel version (3)?
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10:44 < sonya> ambiguous dependencies will require manual interaction or explicit statement anyway.. and it's a bit messy/unclear how to get --%$  options from scratch (without test install)..
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10:46 < sonya> example: "Can't find gimp--%2"
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10:58 < taleon> Yes, that's why you use `pkg_info -z gimp`. This will display all available options. For gimp, select stable and snapshot, and for llvm, select 16 to 19.
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11:04 < sonya> taleon: no.. here this method doesn't work..
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11:04 < sonya> only for installed ones..
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11:19 < taleon> I tested it on my OpenBSD 7.6 router, where gimp is not installed, and `pkg_info -z gimp` shows me `gimp--%stable` and `gimp--%snapshot` as available options.
11:19 < taleon> Anyway, I'll be offline for a few hours. Still got work to do. :-)
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11:24 < sonya> taleon: 7.7-stable: $ /usr/sbin/pkg_info -z gimp --> gimp--%snapshot  .. /usr/sbin/pkg_info -aQ gimp --> https://termbin.com/pzao
11:26 < sonya> and yes, gimp is not installed..
11:28 < taleon> If there is only one version under 7.7, then only this version is available for installation. Under 7.6, there were two versions, the stable and the snapshot version.
11:32 < taleon> Okay, now I understand the dilemma. `pkg_add gimp` installs the stable version 2 and `pkg_add gimp--%snapshot` installs the developer version 3.
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12:52 < sonya> taleon: the key is that i don't see `gimp--%stable` if it's not installed (but you can see it's available).. in general: pkg_info -z != pkg_info -aQ 
12:53 < sonya> i see stems only after install..
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13:06 < talisc> Hello guys 
13:06 < talisc> do we have mesa's amd video drivers on openbsd?
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13:23 < skippy8> taleon: Thanks a lot! The "pkg_add gimp%snapshot" solved my problem! :-)
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15:35 < echelon> Why are both carp interfaces on both hosts in a master state?
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15:39 < echelon> https://paste.ee/r/lcuHzGFn
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15:50 < echelon> they're on the same redundancy group?
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15:51 < echelon> oh!
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16:45 < echelon> can someone verify that this is what it's intended to do pass in quick on $carp_if proto udp from any to $carp_if port { 53, 123 } reply-to $carp_if keep state
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16:46 < echelon> basically i want it to respond back on the ip/interface that the request comes in on
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17:20 < lts> Not commenting on anything else, but unless carp is different than others, you probably need "from any to $carp_if:network"
17:22 < echelon> network as in the subnet? ie, $carp_if:192.168.5.0/24?
17:22 < lts> No, literally $carp_if:network
17:22 < echelon> oh!
17:25 < lts> You got the principle right, the "to" needs to be an IP address or IP range, not a network adapter (AFAIK)
17:25 < lts> :network after the adapter handles it
17:26 < echelon> ugh, it doesn't work
17:26 < echelon> i wonder if there's anything i need to do in the code
17:26 < pardis> no, having :network there is not necessary (but won't hurt)
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17:27 < pardis> but you don't want to reply-to yourself
17:27 < pardis> you reply-to the gateway, not your own address
17:27 < lts> I stand corrected, thanks
17:27 < pardis> there are very few situations where routing packets to a local address is what you want
17:28 < echelon> if i reply back to the gw, how does it make sure the packets route all the way back to the src?
17:29 < pardis> that's the meaning of the word "routing"
17:29 < pardis> a host that does not route packets is not a gateway/router
17:30 < echelon> ok
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17:32 < echelon> this isn't working still... https://paste.ee/r/fjD9OKdY
17:34 < echelon> so src is .10, which tries to connect with .64 (carp vip), but then the actual ip of the physical interface replies back
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17:36 < echelon> but the source doesn't know who .65 is
17:37 < IcePic> is there a .64 / .65 mixup here or am I misunderstanding what the four packets in the paste is supposed to mean?
17:37 < echelon> yes
17:38 < echelon> .10 talks to .64 (carp0) on udp, but .65 (em0) replies back
17:39 < IcePic> so which address is the udp socket bound to?
17:40 < IcePic> if it binds to *:2002, then the OS is free to choose whichever route seems suitable to reach the destination
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17:41 < echelon> IcePic: udp          0      0  *.2002                 *.*
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17:42 < IcePic> that is what you get for udp being stateless.
17:43 < echelon> i've even done.. route add -inet 0.0.0.0/0 -gateway 192.168.5.1 -ifp carp0 -priority 20
17:44 < IcePic> so, have you considered just normal src-nat on the way out?
17:44 < echelon> no, i don't know much about it
17:45 < echelon> would that be in a pf rule?
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17:48 < IcePic> yes, something like "match out on em0 proto udp from 192.168.5.65 port 2002 to any nat-to 192.168.5.64"
17:48 < IcePic> where one could have (em0) and possibly (carp0) to make it a bit more dynamic, but at least one could start with the fixed ips first and see if it helps
17:49 < pardis> and then hope your application-layer protocol doesn't encode IP addresses
17:51 < IcePic> most of them don't, thankfully. 
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17:54 < IcePic> echelon: what udp protocol are we talking about here?
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18:06 < echelon> IcePic: it's custom
18:06 < echelon> it receives some packets, processes it, then send out some additional packets instantaneously
18:06 < echelon> in the same session
18:07 < echelon> thanks, i'll try this
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20:05 < echelon> IcePic: these are all the variations i tried, but it still replies back on .65 https://paste.ee/r/6MmdVGKs :/
20:05 < echelon> i'm wondering if i did anything wrong
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