--- Log opened Wed Jul 02 00:00:33 2025
00:01 < nephele> (I ment qwerty above)
00:02 < Bradipo> Yes, I use the mouse for things that require mouse.
00:02 < Bradipo> But when I'm typing, it's strictly keyboard.
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00:02 < Bradipo> And anything that diminishes my type rate is out the door. :-)
00:03 < itrsea> neuron link with eye-tracking
00:03 < nephele> Thanks for your help :D, now back to trying to set up a mail server. I still have high hopes this setup will be easier to maintain then postfix on FreeBSD has been...
00:06 < itrsea> Do you need the full service of an email provider? You can get a email forwarding with no server.
00:08 < nephele> Yeah, I do need a full one, or atleast I want to have one
00:08 < joe9> nephele: I have one running on 9front. getting spf took a while.
00:08 < Bradipo> SPF shouldn't "take a while".
00:08 < nephele> joe9: heh. I just ignore spf...
00:09 < nephele> I figure if my mail is signed with DKIM, then it's from me, if it's not then it's not
00:09 < joe9> learning about it.
00:09 < nephele> ah, i see
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00:16 < nephele> learning about all the stuff to secure a mail server did feel daunting
00:17 < nephele> but postfix casually ignoring stuff because $somewhere there is an option you missed really was the hardest part of that setup
00:20 < itrsea> nephele: is your email service expected to reach the internet? Have you configured OpenSMTPD?
00:20 < nephele> I haven't yet. Yes it should reach the internet
00:23 < itrsea> Apache James is a way to receive email. It runs in Java machine. Are you using postfix for compatibility?
00:24 < nephele> I was using it because it seemed like a good idea at the time ;)
00:24 < nephele> For reference, I have one email server running now, and i'm not working on the replacement for it, so once this new one is running the old one will be turned off
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00:29 < itrsea> postfix seems great
00:29 < nephele> it's really not. It's hell to configure
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00:39 < Bradipo> Yeah, postfix was supposedly the qmail killer but I never did take a liking to it.
00:39 < Bradipo> smtpd(8) would be a better choice in my opinion today.
00:40 < pardis> one advantage of postfix is properly supporting IDNs
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00:40  * itrsea suddenly needs an email server
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00:41 < pardis> unless I have missed something, you cannot send an e-mail to föö@éxamplé.com with smtpd(8)
00:42 < pardis> or rather, it cannot receive such e-mails because you cannot specify that domain name in the config (I assume that it will forward them just fine if used solely as a relay)
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00:43 < nephele> pardis: seriously?
00:43 < nephele> not even with the xn- notation?
00:45 < pardis> yes, you can specify them with xn-, but then you can only receive e-mails if the sender inputs the address that way
00:45 < pardis> which sort of defeats the whole purpose
00:45 < nephele> that's depressing
00:46 < nephele> I don't really want to have to deal with postfixes config anymore, but i also do have one non-ascii domain
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00:55 < Bradipo> I'm actually impressed that UTF-8 domains are even in use.  I thought IDN had pretty much made true "international" domains fall into disrepute.
00:55 < Bradipo> DNS was designed to be 8-bit clean if I'm not mistaken.
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00:55 < Bradipo> Not just ASCII.
00:56 < pardis> I registered one and I let it expire once I found out how inconsistently it actually works
00:56 < pardis> but during that time I attempted unsuccessfully to use it with smtpd(8)
00:56 < Bradipo> Yeah, thanks to punycode which ruined them.
00:58 < pardis> punycode has a size advantage over UTF-8, which is helpful for a protocol that may switch from UDP to TCP for large queries
00:58 < pardis> if everything transparently supported punycode, it would be fine, but sadly many things do not
00:58 < Bradipo> I suppose there is that.
00:59 < nephele> Atleast in my daily use i've not had issues with software not supporting it. This case for me is a first, so much so that i didn't consider that possibility
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01:26 < nephele> Does it atleast support utf-8 usernames in emails without IDN domain names?
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01:27 < pardis> I don't know, I haven't tested that
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01:29 < nephele> Hmm, difficult regardless. I do want to use OpenBSD still. Atleast I like PF, but without that support (IDN) it is a bit difficult. I don't suppose that is on the roadmap for support?
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01:30 < nephele> It seems atleast the other things are somewhat in place, like beeing able to do DKIM validation, even if not completely straightforward (and DNSSEC i suppose with unbound running)
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02:12 < remiliascarlet> From what I've seen, all the people in Linux that seem to oppose XLibre and X (both the display server and the SNS funnily enough) in general are either distro's paid tons of money by Red Hat, or distro's filled with far leftist activists/communists, or men thinking they're women.
02:13 < remiliascarlet> All 3 cases are a bunch of creeps.
02:15 < systemdsucks> you are very confused
02:16 < remiliascarlet> Explain.
02:16 < phy1729> Don't and remiliascarlet don't bring this up again
02:16 < systemdsucks> I do support xlibre but you would need to give them some time
02:16 < mischief> nephele: why would pf itself need IDN support? it works with IPs.. you can resolve them with any program and add them to a table if you need that.
02:16 < phy1729> You're close to network policy violation
02:17 < systemdsucks> guy is just off-topic
02:17 < systemdsucks> and confused
02:17 < nephele> mischief: Ah, sorry i worded my message in a confusing manner. OpenSMTPD seems to not support it. PF was an unrelated bonus point for the topic of using OpenBSD
02:22 < nephele> I've used PF on FreeBSD before, and liked it there. But duo to the config syntax not matching OpenBSD at that time it was really hard to come by good docs for the syntax.., which i think should be much easier using it on OpenBSD
02:25 < systemdsucks> that's because freebsd's pf if a fork of 4.6 or 4.7 openbsd's pf
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02:27 < oldlaptop> They should have a fork of the appropriate ancient OpenBSD pf.conf(5) manual, I would think
02:27 < oldlaptop> if not a fork of the corresponding ancient OpenBSD FAQ pages.
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02:29 < nephele> FreeBSD on my VPS managed to destroy itself with an update, since it always updates kernel and userspace seperately with a reboot in between, it managed to get in a state where the ssh daemon would no longer work (in the sense of beeing able to accept connections)
02:31 < oldlaptop> You could (in principle) do that on OpenBSD if there were a sufficiently serious flag day, though not with the usual "first choice" upgrade process. (Mostly where "kernel can't run the old userland" would come in is attempts to upgrade by building the new system from source.)
02:31 < oldlaptop> (You couldn't do that from 5.4 to 5.5. Not that I'd ever read all the warnings and decide to waste time trying anyway.)
02:35 < nephele> So, a normal one step update then? or atleast the second part starting automatically?
02:36 < nephele> I suppose it won't be the updates that I am used to of "download files + reboot" but still :)
02:39 < oldlaptop> A "normal" update is to download the special self-contained installer kernel (bsd.rd) and reboot into it, then use it to upgrade the kernel and userland all at once. That's what sysupgrade(8) does, and what you generally did before it was written too.
02:40 < oldlaptop> It's trickier if you only have an ssh connection to the machine, since bsd.rd will only be interacting through the console (or an autoinstall response file such as sysupgrade(8) sets up).
02:41 < nephele> ah okay, so still a 2step process, but atleast if it fails to boot you can just go back to the installed system
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06:19 < enrh> OpenBSD PF the best PF, but cool that some form of it exists on FreeBSD and OSX
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06:22 < Aedil> Hi securers.
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13:31 < sonya> hello.. is there a software-only way to eject usb device (2.0-hub in this case) and then tell kernel to rescan hardware and put it back to use? thanks..
13:31 < sonya> simple pull-out/insert-back works, but it's a remote machine..
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13:32 < sonya> it's not available after reboot for some yet unknown reason..
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13:37 < mischief> perhaps you could write a program to send a usb reset message using usb(4)
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13:38 < sonya> i wanted cheap solution, but this is also a viable option.. thanks..
13:41 < sonya> USB_REQUEST.. DANGEROUS.. hmm.. definitely worth to try it out.. 
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14:05 < remiliascarlet> nephele: I hope you still have access through your VPS provider's control panel though. That way you can still fix it.
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14:39 < sibiria> nephele: there is an "official" dkim validation filter for opensmtpd. it's just in ports yet. its use is very straight-forward
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14:39 < sibiria> it's just not*
14:42 < Bradipo> I've never once needed to validate DKIM.
14:43 < sibiria> nobody needs to. but you may want to
14:43 < Bradipo> I cannot think of a good reason why I might want to.
14:44 < sibiria> if i have the option of validating the e-mail to know whether it's been tampered with on the way to me, or just not care, i will absolutely go with the first option
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14:46 < Bradipo> I imagine that one of the reasons that PGP/GPG didn't really gain mass adoption rates is because most people don't care about that.
14:47 < sibiria> as a technician i'd say it's because of how messy it is to get it running on the client-side of things, even with "bona fide" e-mail software like Thunderbird
14:47 < Bradipo> S/MIME also exists for the purpose of authenticating emails, but again, nobody really cares.
14:48 < sibiria> what also contributes a lot is that most people don't even *think* in those lines
14:48 < Bradipo> True.
14:48 < sibiria> as someone running my own mail server, i think about it
14:48 < Bradipo> Those of us who run our own email systems do think about it.
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15:06 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> Bradipo: do you do self host for your email server or a web provider?
15:06 < Bradipo> self-host.
15:07 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> nice you must have a great internet connection
15:08 < Bradipo> It doesn't take a great internet connection to work.
15:08 < Bradipo> I used to host an email server on a dialup modem line.
15:09 < Bradipo> You may have seen this musing on self-hosting: https://poolp.org/posts/2019-12-15/decentralised-smtp-is-for-the-greater-good/
15:09 < eea> only issue will be most isp will block smtp traffic
15:09 < Bradipo> Which ISP?  The ISP I pay for Internet service?  Or someone elses ISP?
15:10 < eea> both, in the US
15:10 < Bradipo> If the ISP that I pay for internet service blocks it, I find a different ISP.
15:10 < sibiria> i host at home as well, but it's fronted by a network tunnel to a VPS so that i get static IP
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15:10 < Bradipo> I refuse to have 3rd world internet service provided to me by an ISP.
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15:11 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> the main problem were I live at the moment is the ISP actually put domestic ips into blacklist so even without blocking any email sent will be rejected by major email providers
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15:11 < Bradipo> g4rrgl3n0m4d: Yes, that can be a problem.  Find a new ISP. :-)
15:11 < sibiria> that's an act of the e-mail servers, not your ISP
15:12 < Bradipo> Or work it from the other angle---communicate with your contacts and have them request that you be whitelisted.
15:12 < sibiria> if they want to, they can omit residential connections from the DNSBL checks. they just don't, and i can understand that
15:12 < Bradipo> And as sibiria mentions, it's really the problem of the email server that's blocking you.
15:12 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> too much of a hustle it's just easy to use a vps
15:13 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> which is what I use at the moment although not secure at all
15:13 < Bradipo> I've stopped using public RBLs.  I don't think it's a good idea to surrender control over email delivery to a 3rd party with whom I have no relationship.
15:14 < sibiria> mail spam coming from compromised personal PCs on residental internet isn't as bad as it was 20-25 years ago, but i still see a decent amount of connection attempts from such
15:14 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> still better than the alternative (gmail and others)
15:15 < Bradipo> Most of the "spam" that I see these days is from places like Shadowservers, Shodan, Cyberresilience, Stretchoid, and numerous other vulnerability/reputation scanners.
15:15 < Bradipo> I rarely see any actual spam.
15:16 < sibiria> the "legit" spam (from "legit" systems) i get comes almost exclusively from gmail and hotmail/outlook
15:17 < sibiria> oh the irony
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15:17 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> same with me sibiria 
15:18 < ssm_> buyvm's served me well for many years as a vps provider for mail, though I plan to get a real static address at some point. super cheap.
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15:19 < ssm_> they've also been court-tested
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15:20 < echelon> i thought buyvm had static addresses
15:20 < echelon> is it because they're in canada
15:20 < ssm_> I mean, physical server with a business line at a location I live/frequent
15:20 < echelon> oh
15:21 < sibiria> i put all my static IPs for my tunnels with Oracle. their net rep is decent so far
15:21 < echelon> i need to get a rack myself, for offsite storage of security cam footage
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15:21 < sibiria> they went through some kerfuffle but i didn't notice any of it on my end
15:22 < echelon> the one here is kind of pricey.. do data centers usually let customers go into their facility for installation and servicing?
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15:22 < sibiria> well, if they offer colo, they obviously have to
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15:23 < sibiria> the ones just offering "dedicated server" with consoles/VNC connection don't do, in my experience. but some of them agree to install your disks and such if you send to them
15:25 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> I know some hosting provider do machine hosting and they allow you to go in if you don't want to pay the admin fee
15:26 < Bradipo> echelon: Yes, datacenters allow customers to go into the facility for installation.
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15:26 < Bradipo> Depends on the colo and business model I suppose.
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15:27 < echelon> thanks
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15:44 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> in openbsd the default smtpd is opensmtpd?
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15:45 < sibiria> yes
15:45 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> can it be configured to use a relational database for addresses configurations like postfix?
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15:51 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> I mean email accounts per domain
15:51 < Bradipo> I don't think so.
15:51 < Bradipo> I'm not an smtpd(8) user though.
15:52 < Bradipo> But it looks like it uses a Berkley DB.
15:52 < sibiria> it can
15:53 < sibiria> has plugins to read most everything from sqlite/postgres/mysql/mariadb
15:54 < sibiria> from ldap as well
15:55 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> awesome, going to set a box to test it, I usually combine asterix, ejabber and email accounts through a postgres database
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15:59  * jf g4rrgl3n0m4d https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d237df89/
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16:01 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> jf that's very similar to postfix conf
16:02 < Bradipo> If you're comfortable using Postfix, no reason why you cannot use that instead.
16:02 < Bradipo> I still use qmail. :-)
16:02 < jf> i include (smtpd.conf) a match line for the virtual_domains to trigger an action line for the virtual user deliver
16:03 < jf> (this is regular 7.7 with opensmtpd-table-sqlite pkg and dovecot as imap server)
16:04 < sibiria> g4rrgl3n0m4d: it's nothing like postfix
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16:04 < sibiria> far cleaner and simpler to configure
16:04 < g4rrgl3n0m4d> :) I mean the db integration
16:07 < thrig> postfix, easier than sendmail (except where it is not)
16:08 < Bradipo> I haven't looked at sendmail in so many years I'm not even sure I could tell where it's easier than postfix, lol.
16:08 < sibiria> sendmail has been known to cause aneurysms, loss of hair, radiation burns, and more
16:09 < eea> eek, now you've triggered my sendmail ptsd
16:09  * eea hugs opensmtpd
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16:11 < jf> i would not go back to sendmail by choice. (open)smtpd is so much simpler to configure and use. 
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16:15 < eea> made me wholly allergic to postfix configs
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16:21 < andrath> my opensmtpd config is about 40 lines and serves multiple domains. 
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16:23 < andrath> postfix configs are eye watering, but exim is worse
16:23 < Bradipo> None of you have probably ever had to deal with MMDF, lol.
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16:24 < Bradipo> I think I would much rather use anything other than MMDF.
16:24 < andrath> i used to run sendmail back in the day through. I had to compile my config with m4
16:25 < Bradipo> I would choose sendmail over MMDF.
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16:25 < Bradipo> However, the one concept that was well thought out in MMDF was it's concept of "channels".  Other than that, it was a mess to run.
16:26 < Bradipo> If you're having trouble locating information on MMDF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDF
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17:37 < andrath> ah, SCO. No wonder.
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17:43 < Bradipo> andrath: Well, MMDF predates SCO by a long shot.
17:43 < andrath> yeah but SCO ran with it.
17:44 < andrath> everyone else had the sense to not touch it
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18:15 < creek> I have this 2016 Macbook (not pro or air) and its eol since a couple of years tho I wish to keep using it, anyone with experience running bsd on this specific machine?
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18:20 < vortexx> such impatience
18:20 < vortexx> https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/ is the usual answer
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18:21 < creek> trying to boot the install USB I get "uhub1: device problem. disabeling device" on boot and then keyboard wont work, both on the laptop and in a qemu vm.
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18:24 < sibiria> use the miniroot image
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18:24 < sibiria> or the full install image
18:24 < sibiria> not the ISO
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18:26 < systemdsucks> creek: I'm not using my macshit with openbsd because it takes a couple hours to boot since 7.6
18:26 < systemdsucks> since 7.5 snapshots really
18:26 < systemdsucks> download https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/install77.img
18:26 < systemdsucks> sorry
18:27 < systemdsucks> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64/install77.img
18:28 < vortexx> creek:  https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/ will tell you if a certain model of hw has been booted successfuly on various BSDs
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18:30 < creek> ye the install77.img is the one I use. sadly no keyboard input after boot loader
18:30 < systemdsucks> and if you try the snapshot one?
18:32 < creek> will do.
18:32 < creek> it would be fun to use openbsd instead of os x for music and youtube on this machine... :P
18:37 < vortexx> creek: try plugging a usb kbd just for the install?
18:38 < creek> there are no external ports on this macbook.
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18:38 < creek> only the usb-c charging port and I have no usb-c keyboard :(
18:39 < vortexx> no usb-c multi adaptor?
18:39 < creek> no, i never bought one and never relly needed one
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18:41 < creek> sadly bt could work... hehe
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18:49 < mischief> i'm pretty sure if i had a computer without usb i'd defenestrate
18:49 < mischief> it
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18:51 < creek> hehe
18:51 < sibiria> but it has USB. thought just one
18:56 < creek> still getting the same error. uhub1:device problem, disabling port 1/2/3 and no kb input.
18:57 < creek> weirdly i also get this in qemu on the same laptop.
19:01 < systemdsucks> you are out of luck
19:01 < systemdsucks> wow, only one port and it's the charging one
19:02 < creek> yep, weird with qemu. NetBSD seems to work, I wonder if that is fun, its been 22 years since I last run that
19:04 < sibiria> odd you get the same with qemu. sure you're feeding it the amd64 images?
19:04 < sibiria> not i386?
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19:08 < creek> yes
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19:09 < creek> I will redownload it and test again in qemu
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19:12 < uwharrie> could try disabling USB in UKC
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19:19 < creek> seems disabling usb in qemu works.
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19:42 < creek> no usb, no touchpad :P
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19:45 < creek> werdly touchpad button works, it just dont move.
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20:02 < mystic> hi, anyone has problem with facebook and firefox browser ? I mean that there is some problem with cache.. the pages are not fresh and I need of press button to relead the page..
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20:07 < sibiria> if you're not using a mobile connection for your internet, do yourself a favor and disable disk caching entirely and go only with in-memory cache
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20:08 < sibiria> or at the lest, fix the disk cache to something small and sane
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20:11 < quinq> Ye who enters the realm of the WWW, abandon all hope for sanity
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20:13 < mystic> sibiria: no, I just want to know if it's normal or not. I ask because maybe I have malware and I want to know if this cache problem could be an effect of spyware. So the question is just if this problem is common to everyone or not.
20:13 < mystic> I don't want to fix cache problems, just know if it's normal.
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20:14 < quinq> Yes, it's normal to have problem with web things
20:14 < quinq> Especialy proprietary one
20:15 < uwharrie> and what leads you to believe you have malware?
20:15 < quinq> Running a web browser
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20:15 < uwharrie> touche
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20:18 < Bradipo> mystic: Isn't facebook de facto spyware?
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20:23 < sibiria> but they don't install malware
20:23 < sibiria> ...yet
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20:24 < Bradipo> Yes, but mystic asked if it was an "effect of spyware".
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20:43 < systemdsucks> their javascript is malware
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20:51 < pardis> please stop trying to help, this is an old troll who has returned with the same question from last year
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20:57 < mystic> pardis: I'm not a troll, but your memory is really incredible. How do you remember that I did the same question about 1 year ago ?
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20:58 < slack0> i'm a complete noob so forgive my ignorance. i plan to install openbsd for the first time ever. laptop has 2 drives, one is 1TB the other 119GB. should i use the smaller one for anything that you can think of? i was planning to let the installer do its thing on the first SSD but maybe there's a use for the small one
20:59 < Bradipo> Are they both SSD?
20:59 < systemdsucks> 119G is plenty for openbsd
20:59 < slack0> if im not mistaken the 119gb is a m.2 ssd or something like that 
21:00 < slack0> the other one is a regular ssd
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21:00 < Bradipo> You could put the OS aon the 119GB drive and then mount the 1TB drive on /home
21:01 < Bradipo> Or you could leave the m.2 as some kind of temporary writing space for fast things.
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21:02 < Bradipo> e.g. a build space for /usr/obj and /usr/ports or something.
21:02 < Bradipo> Assuming you're going to be doing any of that, of course.
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21:05 < slack0> is 119G plenty even if i plan to install say xfce?
21:05 < slack0> because i like the sound of that idea
21:07 < systemdsucks> even if you install libreoffice
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21:14 < Bradipo> Even if you install TeX.
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21:16 < slack0> ok so basically during the partitioning part of the installer, i make the 119G the main disk, go with the default part scheme, remove the /home, select to partition another disk, make the big one take /home, and it's done?
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21:16 < systemdsucks> if you go with the default scheme /usr and /usr/bin probably will be too small
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21:16 < sibiria> that works. but keep in mind that you won't be installing programs to /home
21:17 < slack0> hmm
21:17 < sibiria> they go into /usr/local
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21:17 < sibiria> but 120gb goes a long way
21:17 < sibiria> it's openbsd. not windows
21:18 < systemdsucks> yes sorry, I meant /usr/local
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21:22 < vortexx> friendly reminder there's #openbsd-social for all the not quite openbsd OS support issues (xlibre, browsers in general, etc)
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21:25 < slack0> ah, didnt know that
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