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00:00 < noodle> this makes me wonder, is there a way to detect silent corruption?
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00:02 < noodle> maybe the security script does it but afaik it only checks configs
00:03 < noodle> thx again for being paitent
00:03 < Alex4164> hi. ive herd of unix before
00:05 < noodle> this is a unix-like operating system, yes
00:05 < Alex4164> is openbsd 7.7, worth burning to verbatim m-disc?
00:08 < Alex4164> im looking to at least run computer recycling utilities
00:08 < noodle> Alex4164: i'm not sure what a verbatim m-disk is but you can burn the install77.iso or cd77.iso to a CD/DVD as per the FAQ https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Download
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00:09 < noodle> Alex4164: choose your architecture and download right away. i personally use the usb image
00:09 < Alex4164> what are file sets. such as slackware?
00:10 < Alex4164> all that is supported, is on 1 disc?
00:10 < noodle> Alex4164: it's the base system, the kernel, the utilites,compilers, manpage, games, x11, etc. install77.iso has them all
00:10 < noodle> idk never used slackware :b
00:11 < Alex4164> no way!
00:11 < noodle> i recommend installing all the file sets. less headache
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00:12 < Alex4164> wait.
00:12 < noodle> the installer is automatic so it'll take care of it for ya. you'd only need to tell it where the sets are stored afaik. check the INSTALL.* file and FAQ for info
00:12 < noodle> (* being your architecture)
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00:13 < Alex4164> jeez.
00:15 < Alex4164> if i have hardware able to run, amd64. intel x86. then am i am i allowed to use openbsd as a router switch?
00:16 < tux0r> no, that's illegal.
00:17 < noodle> wats a router switch?
00:17 < noodle> u mean like a managed switch?
00:17 < Alex4164> layer 1, and layer 2, from a canadian ISP, because i am in canada
00:18 < Alex4164> oh! thats the term. a managed switch
00:18 < noodle> oh not sure, but there might be info about it on the pf faq
00:19 < Alex4164> yeah. that is what openbsd, is famous for. in addition to openSSH i believe
00:19 < noodle> yeah. i love pf. i run my gateway with it
00:20 < Alex4164> can i order an expensive copy from the openbsd foundation, to send to me, by mail?
00:20 < Alex4164> hopefully it comes with tutorials in the mail too
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00:33 < uwharrie> no, no more CD shipping
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00:36 < mischief> you can donate, but all of the documentation is available online for free. there's no 'tutorials'.
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01:03 < deimosBSD> shouldn't I be able to ldattach nmea (insert tty here) to see the raw datastream from a gps antenna?
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01:03 < deimosBSD> in an interactive shell
01:06 < deimosBSD> maybe it's cu I'm thinking of, nevermind
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05:43 < ilx> hi looking for a fsf project for an openbsd systemadmin :)
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06:24 < echelon> ilx: i dont understand wat youre asking
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08:05 < creek> so, booting OpenBSD on my macbook gives this result: https://pasteboard.co/yYbiUBhOSxLq.png
08:05 < creek> I dont know if I should wait here but it stays like this for the 5 min I was waiting.
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08:08 < creek> this is the install77.img
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08:44 < enrh> Hmmm 5 mins does not seem impossible but 10 mins w/o disk activity I'd assume something wrong
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08:47 < sibiria> enrh: it should move on from that point in no more than a couple of seconds
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10:15 < horsegoosemeth> There must be a way to just totally override the, what I was told to about BY A MEMBER OF THIS IRC CHAT RIGHT HERE, that the ISA does not support frequency scaling, in the BSD kernel.
10:17 < horsegoosemeth> But then as I was browsing the openbsd specialised releases webpage I noticed that it is certainly does support other very nearly identical architecturally and functionally processors by Qualcomm.
10:17 < horsegoosemeth> ...
10:17 < horsegoosemeth> Please tell me what's the situation, here...
10:17 < horsegoosemeth> ?
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10:26 < mischief> turns out different computers work differently
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10:58 < vortexx> I guess horsegooseme was talking about frequency scaling on ARM64 ?
10:59 < sibiria> probably. which still doesn't work on anything Arm 
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11:00 < sibiria> zero power-saving
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11:32 < slack0> so after installing, i'm having a problem with firefox 140.0.1 on openbsd: it takes about 2 minutes and 30 seconds to start.
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11:33 < slack0> the profile manager crashes too so i cant make a new profile but i doubt thats the cause, tor browser for example starts instantly
11:33 < slack0> lemme know if i need to move to the social channel with this, im new
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11:39 < sibiria> is it an "unusual" PC, or did you do something unusual with your disk label setup the other day?
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11:40 < sibiria> i recall you asking about splitting labels across two disks
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11:55 < slack0> it's a thinkpad t450, the disk layout is the one provided by the auto configuration of the installer, didnt feel adventorous enough to try fancy stuff
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12:01 < sibiria> that model should run super smooth. is it running in bios legacy mode with CSM, or pure EFI?
12:01 < sibiria> the latter is preferred
12:01 < slack0> no it does run smooth as butter, it's just firefox
12:02 < slack0> it's EFI yeah
12:02 < slack0> no CSM
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12:05 < dansimon> slack0: modern web is a nightmare... dillo/w3m + http://frogfind.com can help though ;)
12:08 < slack0> i like https://wiby.org/ personally :-)
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12:12 < dansimon> slack0: Ah, nice tip!
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12:34 < sonya> slack0: try firefox -P , then create new profile..
12:37 < sonya> slack0: also : $ mkdir ~/Downloads  && mkdir ~/.mozilla  .. and keep all your FF-profiles within ~/.mozilla/ ..
12:38 < sonya> and read: $ less /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/firefox 
12:46 < slack0> can't create new profiles or even switching to the 2 default ones: about:profiles crashes the browser, firefox -p cant save any new profiles either, it says it could not save the edits. i can only use the one default profile
12:46 < slack0> *switching between the 2 default ones
12:48 < slack0> but now that i see the profiles i tried creating via the profiles manager are indeed present in ~/.mozilla/firefox
12:49 < slack0> just can't use them
12:49 < slack0> and the profiles manager does not list them
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12:53 < slack0> firefox -safe-mode is a bit more verbose in what might be the cause: Crash Annotation GraphicsCriticalError
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12:54 < slack0> where do I put MOZ_ACCELERATED=1 ?
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12:55 < sibiria> your environment variables
12:58 < slack0> i put "export MOZ_ACCELERATED=1" in my ~/.xsession but i suspect that's not how you do it lol
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12:59 < sonya> slack0: try # fw_update  .. and then $ pkg_info -aQ intel  --> look for your required driver and install with # pkg_add
13:00 < sonya> slack0: '#' --> do as root, '$' --> do as user..
13:00 < sibiria> slack0: that's how to do it
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13:04 < slack0> thank you guys. lemme check and ill report back!
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13:10 < rIMpossible> When is /etc/
13:10 < sibiria> in about 5 minutes from now
13:11 < rIMpossible> firefox/unveil.main loaded? At start of firefox or at system start?
13:12 < sonya> rIMpossible: guess at start of FF, as system couldn't care less about FF..
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13:13 < gnucode> hey friends! So apparently gothub is about to launch!
13:13 < rIMpossible> sonya: thx
13:13 < gnucode> yup!
13:13 < gnucode> https://gothub.org/tiers.html
13:13 < sibiria> goth-ub, noice
13:14 < gnucode> I'm planning on using the 10€ tier.
13:14 < gnucode> per month.
13:15 < gnucode> does anyone know, if you can use git to send git commits to gothub ?  Or do you have to use got ?
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13:20 < gnucode> "Game of Trees servers interoperate with any Git client."  so you should be able to use regular git with gothub
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13:36 < Foxy_> gnucode: Game of Trees (got) server is compatible with regular Git client
13:37 < gnucode> that's what I read on the site.  Thanks!  I'm really glad they are working on an independent git client. 
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13:44 < slack0> i was indeed missing the intel-media-driver. firefox still takes 3 minutes to start though
13:48 < slack0> what's funny is that the tor browser is very fast to start and very responsive to navigate on openbsd, very impressed with it
13:48 < sibiria> it feels like a permission problem of some sort
13:49 < sibiria> as if it's trying to access this-or-that and stalls indefinitely
13:49 < slack0> yeah
13:49 < sibiria> you can trace the process to try get a glimpse at what it's doing
13:50 < sibiria> start it, get the relevant pid, direct ktrace at it and wait 
13:52 < sonya> slack0: create new test user (with empty ~/), login and check..
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14:04 < slack0> i deleted the profiles manually, a new one shows this while trying to start: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/c147a3fa07a3
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14:06 < sibiria> running snapshots?
14:06 < slack0> no at least i dont think soù
14:07 < slack0> so*
14:07 < sibiria> it could be the maintainer goofed up when building the latest version
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14:15 < sibiria> do you even have ~/.config?
14:15 < sibiria> and ~/.local?
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14:58 < slack0> sibiria: yes of course
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15:03 < slack0> maybe i'm missing something for xfce? i simply pkg_add'd xfce-extras because it seemed the full one to go with
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15:27 < remiliascarlet> slack0: I recommend watching this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylwgdEIwYV0
15:27 < remiliascarlet> However, installing Xfce on OpenBSD motivated me to go back to DWM again.
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15:47 < slack0> i think the guide that video is following is not that different from the steps i made myself, from reading various sources
15:47 < slack0> but it's highly possible i messed up along the way
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16:20 < sibiria> slack0: i have no idea about anything xfce on openbsd, sorry
16:20 < sibiria> i only use cwm, and for me ff 140 launches fine
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16:39 < slack0> oh no problem really, sibiria
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21:58 < noodle> hi. is there a guide for split-horizon dns for unbound/nsd? i have a router+server behind another router that has a public IP (janky setup, i know, i'm planning on fixing it soon), so i'm using a RDR-TO and NAT-TO rule (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/rdr.html) so the machines behind the router/server can to connect to it like external machines can, but the router/server itself can't connect unless i use localhost instead. i currently have all the server's do
21:58 < noodle> -as aliases for the localhost. what's the best way to go about it? thx
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22:02 < noodle> i know. i promise to get a proper server and put it in dmz + put the external ip router in bridge mode one day (bc my isp doesn't allow modems for some reason)
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22:18 < sibiria> noodle: interface-view and access-control-view
22:20 < noodle> sibiria: alr i'll give it a lot. thxxx
22:20 < sibiria> they allow you to define zones that manifest only from a specific perspective
22:23 < noodle> sibiria: nice that's exactly what i needed :) i really should read unbound's docs
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