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00:23 < eea> wait, fsf gnu mirror served from openbsd
00:23 < eea> be still my heart
00:23 < eea> problem with nfs? aside from it beint nfs?
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00:38 < itrsea> Does the packaged Haskell GHC Compiler require an update in its dependencies?
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00:44 < itrsea> The ghc Haskell Compiler requires a manual fulfillment of a dependency. Install libffi.
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02:07 < vortexx> itrsea: that's exceptionally rare, as in I've never seen a manual dep. pkg_add is meant to handle it all
02:07 < vortexx> eea: probably a user not used to the subtilities of mounting a nfs share into a chroot
02:07 < vortexx> FSF after all
02:07 < vortexx> :P
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08:01 < ssm_> eea: wait until you hear about gcc support on windows
08:03 < ssm_> actually wait until you hear about gcc support on windows that builds proprietary software and gnu publically advertises this capability and rms then complained on misc@ about openbsd ports containing recipies for proprietary software *topic
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08:15 < mischief> got a link?
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08:20 < ssm_> mischief: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119730630513821&w=2
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10:21 < sskras> ssm_: jumping into someone's else discussion maybe, but the Midipix project is currently doing something alike
10:21 < sskras> https://midipix.org/#sec-midipix
10:21 < sskras> They have a pretty old build ATM, v4.6.4 IIRC.
10:22 < sskras> But the update is seemingly in progress.
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10:23 < sskras> I meant the build of GCC, to be exact.
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13:50 < Zerock> I'm trying to move an openbsd VM to a new host, and the new host only supports uefi booting, but my existing VM is set up for MBR. Is there a way I can convert this setup to uefi for the migration, or am I just going to have to rebuild the system from a fresh install?
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13:56 < vortexx> Zerock: would be easiest to backup and restore
13:59 < Zerock> how do you mean?
13:59 < sibiria> i think it would work fine if you just squeeze an ESP and openbsd's EFI application in on the disk
14:00 < sibiria> EFI + MBR partition works. it's just not standard
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17:04 < wickedshell> Would anyone be able to point me at why firefox-esr claims hardware video decoding is "Blocklisted by gfxinfo"? Openbsd 7.7 (Framework 13, AMD 7040) vainfo claims a number of supported profiles
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17:07 < xse> i'm not sure, did you check the graphic acceleration part of the pkgreadme ? https://codeberg.org/OpenBSD/ports/src/commit/2e113f0a2f7072f9395348325fea87c5f831fb4f/www/mozilla-firefox/pkg/README#L141
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17:18 < wickedshell> xse I hadn't checked that before neither of the flags seem to be working, but I'll keep exploring the linked mozilla docs
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18:57 < slack0> wickedshell: is your firefox also taking 2 minutes and 33 seconds to launch?
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19:12 < sibiria> <sinead o'slack0> it's been seven hours and fifteen days, since you took your launch away
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19:56 < slack0> lol
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21:22 < vortexx> sibiria: trouble with that is needing to add the ESP partition, can't just dd over nc.
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21:23 < vortexx> Zerock: back up all modified directories, depends on which services you run. Bare minimum is /etc, /root, /home, /var/log and do pkg_info -m >>pkglist, copy that pkglist file over, and run pkg_add -l pkglist to get all the same packages back
21:26 < sibiria> i'd just add the ESP. less hassle, really
21:27 < sibiria> move the disk image in. grow it with fdisk then add the ESP at the end
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21:28 < sibiria> most "cloud" hosts allow you to import disk images. most of them also offer a rescue mode with network, so you can bring data in that way
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21:32 < vortexx> you mean at the beginning, not the end
21:32 < vortexx> surely?
21:33 < sibiria> no, at the end. it's a bit messy squeezing things into the start because then block counts and offsets won't match anymore
21:33 < sibiria> the only requirement for an ESP is that it lies within the first 2TB of the disk
21:33 < vortexx> (depending on the hosting env I'd be reluctant to bet the emulated UEFI env can boot off an ESP at the end)
21:33 < sibiria> it doesn't matter where the ESP is
21:33 < vortexx> if you say so
21:33 < sibiria> i do. it's part of the standard
21:33 < vortexx> I haven't tried that manoeuver myself
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21:34 < sibiria> it just needs to have the right partition type and sit within first 2 TB. its order in the partition list and its block offset is irrelevant
21:34 < vortexx> one would point out that backups should be part of the standard m.o. so moving the vm around isn't too much of a risk in case copying vm to vm goes wrong
21:35 < vortexx> hopefully op will be able to tell us about disk size and platform
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21:36 < oldlaptop> <sibiria> i do. it's part of the standard
21:36 < oldlaptop> without any particular 'dog in the fight', I hope that isn't one of those things where the standard says something, and then the board vendors (or virtualization vendors) don't bother to do it.
21:38 < sibiria> anyone is free to completely ignore requirements in standards and make their own up ;)
21:38 < oldlaptop> we all know firmware vendors are committed to producing a high-quality product and would never consider taking such shortcuts
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21:40 < sibiria> hard-coding their firmware to only look for an EFI application on the very first primary (or first partition item if GPT), despite nothing about this is mentioned in the standard, would be an odd choice
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21:41 < oldlaptop> Realistically I would be more concerned about departing from whatever "windows does", because that is what they really care about and really test
21:41 < oldlaptop> if they have some bug that incapacitates the system if the ESP isn't first, and windows doesn't do that, they probably won't notice and probably won't care
21:42 < oldlaptop> (now for all I remember maybe windows puts the ESP last)
21:43 < sibiria> no idea what windows' installer does. since the ESP is the first thing that happens, before any OS is booted, it's common practice to put it first. it just doesn't have to be first
21:43  * oldlaptop would also wonder about having the disk order not match partition table order
21:43 < oldlaptop> (if it confuses humans, it probably confuses some broken-donkey firmware)
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21:44 < tux0r> there are reasons why i happen to see more plan9 users online lately
21:44 < tux0r> con: no lisp. pro: no bullshit.
21:52 < rtj> the bunny mascot is such a cutie too.
21:53 < rtj> I'd love to get one of them old bell labs vans.
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22:00 < sonya> for some strange reason there are a lot of articles/notes, advising ESP to be first on disk.. and there're bios/uefi firmware in pc's, that seek/check those first 100Mb fat nonsense.. despite that it could not be the first..
22:00 < sibiria> the ESP is designated by its unique type, not its order in the chain
22:01 < sibiria> it's like the old misunderstanding that windows can only boot if it's on a primary partition, not on a logical extended partition. and that it can only boot if it's the first primary
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22:03 < Zerock> sibiria: is ESP type EE or EF?
22:03 < sibiria> EF
22:04 < Zerock> that's what I thought but the fdisk manual confused me a bit
22:04 < sibiria> and it should be formatted with fat12, fat16 or fat32. typically the latter
22:04 < sibiria> size doesn't matter but usually 40-50 mb is enough to fit more than a few EFI applications
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22:05 < sonya> EE here..
22:06 < Zerock> is there an FAQ or something about setting this up by hand?
22:07 < vortexx> not in the official faq, no
22:07 < Zerock> I sort of have no idea what I'm doing
22:07 < Zerock> I have a vague idea about how this works in theory, but I've never had to set up EFI stuff by hand
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22:09 < Zerock> hmm... "error writing MBR" when trying to write the new table
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22:14 < sibiria> is your current VM running on openbsd's hypervisor?
22:15 < Zerock> no, it's running on proxmox
22:15 < Zerock> however I'm attempting this edit on the target host from a restore backup. this one is using freebsd bhyve
22:15 < Zerock> restored*
22:16 < wickedshell> slack0: not at all, launches fairly promptly, maybe 3 seconds max?
22:16 < sibiria> keep in mind that openbsd doesn't support hotswapping. it won't pick up new geometry of the storage device unless you reboot. just in case you grew the backing store "live"
22:17 < sonya> i'm wrong.. EE(h) is a protective mbr, covering all mbr accessed data within gpt.. and ESP is EF(h) 
22:17 < Zerock> I didn't. The VM was stopped when I expanded the disk zvol, then I booted the VM using the openbsd 7.7 install77.img and dropped to a shell
22:17 < sibiria> you can just boot the native bsd.rd. a bit tidier
22:17  * Zerock shrugs
22:17 < Zerock> regardless, the geometry looks correct
22:18 < Zerock> also... no I can't just boot bsd.rd, because the whole problem I'm trying to fix is that this VM can't boot at all
22:19 < Zerock> if I try to start it normally, it fails to find a disk to boot from, attempts PXE, then drops me to a UEFI command line shell
22:20 < Zerock> sure would be nice if fdisk would give a more specific error message
22:21 < pardis> this is all based on incorrect advice, EFI with MBR is not supported on OpenBSD
22:21 < pardis> it works in the general sense, but OpenBSD's bootloader does not do it
22:21 < Zerock> >_>
22:21 < sibiria> i'm sitting on EFI with MBR right here as we speak
22:21 < sibiria> and, look, my VM over there in the "cloud" is also EFI on MBR
22:22 < pardis> okay, maybe I'm mistaken, it's been a while since I tried it
22:22 < pardis> I recall it not being supported last time I checked
22:22 < pardis> apologies in that case
22:22 < sibiria> i have some memory of it not working in the past, too. i can't recall how long ago that was
22:24 < pardis> you might also want to check whether bhyve will do UEFI with MBR
22:24 < pardis> I have no idea about anything bhyve-related, but it would need to support loading BOOTX64.EFI from an MBR partition for anything to work
22:24 < Zerock> well that's sort of what I intend to test anyway
22:25 < Zerock> but if I can't write the new MBR then I'm stuck
22:25 < sibiria> Zerock: just a thought... what happens if you create an "ESP" of partition type 0c?
22:26 < sibiria> that would be lba-mapped fat32/vfat
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22:26 < Zerock> same error
22:26 < sibiria> can you pastebin "fdisk -v sdN" of your drive?
22:28 < Zerock> sibiria: not a pastebin but here's a screenshot https://0x0.st/8GuC.png
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22:31 < sibiria> does look normal on the surface
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22:57 < sonya> may be it's not related, but, as we speak about vm's, obsd warns that gpt qcow2 could not boot after install.. for miniroot there's only /usr/mdec/boot (in ram) and it's clear, that it's not enough for gpt..
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23:16 < Zerock> I'll do some experimenting later
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