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01:24 < itrsea>  how do I parse C args to match other commands in OpenBSD?
01:25 < itrsea> I would parse out a time-length flag, and *eval* the remaining arguments.
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01:30 < itrsea> Does OpenBSD have a guide to C-style flags in core utilities?
01:32 < phy1729> man 3 getopt
01:32 < itrsea> phy1729: thanks
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03:45 < itrsea> https://termbin.com/8iqr
03:46 < itrsea> I have a *BSD-style flag for the interval of a watch command. A next step is to join the stdout and stderr from an exec child.
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03:57 < phy1729> There's a watch command in tree; it's just not hooked into the build yet becasue it's still being worked on
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04:00 < itrsea> phy1729: How do I join the mailing list to review the development of *watch*?
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04:24 < xse> i did not find a tool in base capable of outputing all characters from a specific font in the terminal. 'xfd' works well but did not help for the "how will this font look in the terminal" part. https://tmp.krkrkr.org/fc-dump-characters.sh
04:25 < xse> maybe one of the fc-something can do it, i did find the manpages for things like 'FcPatternFormat' scary
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04:41 < mischief> itrsea: https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
04:42 < mischief> xse: there are 0 good font viewers last time i checked, even non-terminal based.
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04:50 < xse> :(
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04:51 < mischief> it's probably not hard to just enumerate every utf-8 sequence in the BMP though from a program, maybe in perl :)
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04:57 < thrig> perl -CS -E 'say for map chr, 2**5..2**16'
05:03 < xse> hehe those are flying across the screen :p
05:05 < beastie> xse: what do you mean with 'how will this font look in the terminal' ?? do you mean xterm, gnome-term, console virtual terminal, a dec vt-420 connected through a serial port?
05:06 < beastie> you can try 'man ascii' or perhaps (if you have it installed) 'man iso-latin-1' 
05:07 < xse> any terminal ideally like step 1 being to set the terminal font to fontXYZ and step 2 being to output every characters found in fontXYZ
05:08 < xse> i mean my shell+perl method worked it's just more convoluted than what i imagined it would take
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05:09 < beastie> hmmm... that program cannot dig enough in the tty to get if it is an X11 terminal, and what kind of font it has been installed.  So it is difficult to say about the font characteristics in a tty (concretely the set of chars that that font has defined)
05:10 < beastie> Let's say you have a UTF-8 encoding, you have 0x10ffff potential codepoints to represent.
05:11 < beastie> if you want to reduce your output to the latin-? set, then you can be thinking in about 0xffff codepoints.
05:11 < xse> right, although unless you use like unifont there's often only a limited set of characters in a given font
05:12 < beastie> but the terminal can be configured to use a non Unicode encoding.
05:12 < xse> yeah that too :p
05:13 < beastie> yes, that's true.  But you have no access (from a tty based program) to the font installed in the terminal.
05:13 < beastie> that's a 'kind of tty you are using' issue.
05:13 < xse> indeed
05:14 < beastie> xfd is probably the best way to do (some desktops have different programs to do that same thing)
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05:17 < beastie> the problem is X11 based, not tty, so the interface to the graphic display must be X11, not tty based.
05:17 < xse> too much variables to get a generic solution :/
05:18 < beastie> IMHO the xfd widget is just quite complete
05:18 < beastie> you are asking for an xfd replacement... indeed... :)
05:19 < beastie> there are other font displayers, but probably they will not give you such amount of information (e.g. width, left, right, ascent and descent, or the different ranges, for each character)
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05:22 < beastie> if you try to install a non monospaced font in a terminal, you will run into trouble, as xterm (or the fixed width font you use) tries to guess a good value for every char in the font, and this is not always possible.  Some use the 'm' width, others the 'n' width, others average the letters or the digits width to make a hint.... IMHO to use the width of the '0' character (zero, not big O) would be
05:22 < beastie> a good guess
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05:31 < xse> fiddling with fonts is generally the kind of thing that take quite some time to figure out when setting up a computer/terminal and then never ever touch it again in fear of it not looking right anymore :P
05:32 < beastie> then I'll ask you why do you need to use a different tool than xfd to see how characters look?
05:33 < mischief> it's almost like fonts are a lot of work and there's hundreds of years of work and a whole industry behind them
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05:35 < beastie> if you are interested in font properties, probably you can use the fc-* set of tools... e.g. fc-query 
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05:36 < beastie> but think that these tools operate only on scalable fonts.... older fonts in X11 where bitmapped.
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11:39 < VoidKrypt> hi #openbsd 
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15:07 < Zerock> sibiria: I think I found out what happened. I had resized the zvol for that VM's disk, but I hadn't finalized it with gpart, so it was held in limbo.
15:07 < Zerock> however I didn't find that out until the daily run email on the host alerted me of it, at which point I'd already given up and rebuilt the system from a fresh install
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15:54 < sibiria> Zerock: ah that would explain the "lock". glad you managed to progress either way
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16:25 < gzar> Good morning! I'd like to implore you and call you humbly to God, to Jesus, to repentence and to his forgivness of your tresspasses. He is waiting and willing to forgive
16:25 < mischief> no thanks
16:28 < Zerock> $ apropos repent
16:28 < Zerock> apropos: nothing appropriate
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20:35 < slack0> got my dirty hands on yet another thinkpad, installing openbsd rn
20:35 < Zerock> you fiend
20:35 < fro> you should wash your hands
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20:40 < slack0> sure i'll wash them if i manage to make everything work the way i like it lol
20:42 < oldlaptop> thinkpads deserve clean hands :(
20:42 < Erhard> Because of that "special" mouse?
20:42 < oldlaptop> (not the fake ones with $feature_i_don't_like though, they don't count)
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20:48 < slack0> you mean the nipple? 
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20:51 < Erhard> Or other terms, yes.
20:51 < Bradipo> The eraser mouse?
20:52 < Erhard> I think xkcd had a good name for it.
20:52 < Erhard> nsfw
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20:54 < sibiria> thinkpads are just overpriced plastic monsters these days, like all the others
20:54 < slack0> Erhard: lol
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21:08 < itrsea> Can I review the development of *watch* in the tree? What security concerns are handled when using user input to spawn a process?
21:09 < itrsea> https://termbin.com/8iqr shows how I join the arguments after extracting an optional user flag.
21:11 < uwharrie> Depends on what you mean by review. Some of the work takes place on tech@ https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&w=2&r=1&s=watch&q=b
21:13 < thrig> a less complicated way may be to replace the internal \0 in the arguments with " "
21:14 < thrig> if security is involved, avoid the shell at all costs and instead pass argv to some execv(3) call
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21:24 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/a2s.c
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21:41 < oldlaptop> <sibiria> thinkpads are just overpriced plastic monsters these days, like all the others
21:41 < oldlaptop> :(
21:42 < oldlaptop> They are at least overpriced plastic disasters with trackpoints, which is something.
21:42 < oldlaptop> (Although trackpoints on newer ones do not seem to be very good.)
21:43 < oldlaptop> Maybe the only ones left with trackpoints, at that. Newer latitudes are missing them now - not sure about elitebooks.
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