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06:30 < hjckr> folks, is it possible to compile the obsd dhcrelay package from src/usr.sbin/dhcrelay under GNU/Linux? I've tried with bmake, but there are various syntax errors and include issues ...
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06:38 < hjckr> and if I do bmake -m ../../share/mk/, then the errors change to ... bsd.dep.mk:14: Invalid line '       sinclude ...
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06:49 < zwr> openbsd base programs are generally going to need some porting to run on other platforms. 
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06:57 < thrig> the program, and also the build environment
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07:00 < hjckr> ok, thanks, so it is not going to be straightforward task of just building the program ...
07:00 < thrig> less work if another bsd, more work if it's some wacky bsd/sysv hybrid, or worse
07:01 < hjckr> wanted to try on linux as a replacement of the dhcrelay from isc
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08:05 < remiliascarlet> Does OpenBSD provide something in its libc to allow for virtual terminal switching? I believe that something like "ioctl(fd, VT_ACTIVATE, n)" is Linux-specific.
08:05 < remiliascarlet> Specifically the "VT_ACTIVATE" part.
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08:15 < IcePic> remiliascarlet: perhaps look if wsconsctl is close enough?
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08:22 < IcePic> remiliascarlet: /usr/include/dev/wscons/wsconsio.h  seem to hold a few ioctls for wscons, and /usr/include/dev/wscons/wsdisplayvar.h  has a few calls which sound relevant
08:23 < IcePic> look for "virtual terminal" (with quotes even) in https://man.openbsd.org/wsdisplay.4
08:24 < IcePic> quote: " The focus can be switched by either special keyboard input (typically CTL-ALT-Fn) or an ioctl command issued by a user program."
08:24 < IcePic> WSDISPLAYIO_SETSCREEN u_int
08:24 < IcePic> Switch to the screen with the given index.
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08:58 < remiliascarlet> That worked.
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12:15 < cs_0x6373> anyone running OpenBSD on Dell servers with AMD processors?
12:16 < cs_0x6373> I found 2 dmesg reports that look good from my pov, but any experience would be appreciated (but i basically assume that it will work at least equally well to the Intel based Dell servers)
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14:53 < miah> have you tested your 'work' to ensure it 'works' as expected?
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14:54 < miah> just trying things is a great way to find out usually
14:55 < sibiria> throw unit tests at it, but no integration tests
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14:56 < miah> worked in so many shops where that was the norm
14:56 < miah> the worst was a company that wrote automation software
14:57 < thrig> at least computer testing isn't like the Mark 14 torpedo (which also didn't have enough testing)
14:58 < miah> i've never used a mark 14 torpedo so i have no idea
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15:00 < sibiria> continuous integration testing between a torpedo and a target seems costly. i can understand if they focused on unit tests
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15:11 < rIMpossible> How can I query /dev/bio with bioctl(8) to get a list of all decrypted devices?
15:11 < rIMpossible> aka the container opened by bioctl(8)
15:12 < uwharrie> you like: `bioctl -i softraid0`
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15:13 < rIMpossible> uwharrie: thx - overread it multiple times in the man page
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15:24 < cs_0x6373> well, of course i will test this before putting it into production, but since i don't have these systems currently i would have loved to hear experiences from someone that is using them already
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15:30 < rIMpossible> uwharrie: in 'bioctl -hvi softraid0' output I can see 'softraid0 1 Online'. What oes '1' in that case mean (its the 2nd out of 2 encrypted disks)? Is it the enumeration of the chan;targ.lun ?
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15:34 < uwharrie> It's context dependent I believe
15:34 < uwharrie> based on the level/discipline in use
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15:44 < uwharrie> from the source code, it appears to be the softraid volume number
15:46 < uwharrie> the channel:target.lun info is in the Device column
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16:54 < noodle> hi everyone. anybody got atheme or any nickserv service-like thing running on openbsd? i'm running a private server with ngircd and would like to have nickserv to prevent impersonation. i have issue with anope bc it's c++ and ergo (in the ports tree) as it's an ircd + services combined and i'd like to use ngircd instead, so i wanted to know what's the best supported solution for hosting nickserv? thxxx
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16:58 < Bradipo> noodle: It's a "private" server?
16:58 < Bradipo> If it's private, then why do you care if they are registered?
16:58 < Bradipo> Shouldn't only those whom you trust and know be using your "private" server?
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17:02 < thrig> well and good until some "kmarx" signs up for the potluck with "revolution" as the dish they're bringing
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17:03 < noodle> Bradipo: like, with more than 2 people, one of the nicks can change to the other if the other person is offline. i can just tell them not to do that but i think it's better to let nickserv handle it instead
17:04 < noodle> i looked a bit on marc.info and someone recommended silc. not sure if it's good though. sorry for the very offtopic question btw
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17:08 < noodle> Bradipo: yk ppl like pulling pranks on eachother xD also uh email/messanger users expect the person they talk to to be authenticated or something so it comes naturally. i know nickserv isn't a silver bullet though
17:09 < noodle> nevermind. email can be easily spoofed
17:09 < noodle> i can't even come up with a good justification sorry lol
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17:14 < Bradipo> noodle: All depends on the audience and level of trust among members.
17:14 < Bradipo> But what does email/messenger have to do with IRC?
17:15 < mischief> these days client certs/sasl is decent for irc auth
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17:16 < Bradipo> Is there any ircd that will take a client cert and map it to a nick and enforce it?
17:16 < noodle> Bradipo: true it depends. oh i mentioned those because i'm hosting the server as an alterantive for a friend who uses typical instant messengers. i know we can just talk on libera but i thought i'd experiment with hosting an ircd and it's more private that way
17:16 < Bradipo> At any rate, my point is that if it's truly "private", then membership in that "private" club would necessarily include, "don't do stupid things on my IRC server or you lose access."
17:17 < noodle> fair
17:17 < Bradipo> But if you really want irc "services" then perhaps there are some already available in ports/packages?
17:18 < noodle> mischief: good idea :) sadly my irc client doesn't do sasl. will keep it in mind tho thx
17:18 < Bradipo> As for IRC being a replacement for "typical instant messengers"... will they be satisfied? :-)
17:18 < phy1729> If it's a personal irc server, you can just set a password
17:19 < noodle> Bradipo: oh yeah i checked, no atheme/anope/etc, the only thing that can do it is ergo but it's an ircd+services so it's different
17:19 < Bradipo> IRC isn't exactly "modern".  And if they're accustomed to Slack/Teams/Messenger/Whatever fancy thing they're used to, IRC will be a bit anachronistic, methinks.
17:19 < noodle> Bradipo: surprisingly they're lol. i got them soju and stuff so it's chill
17:19 < Bradipo> phy1729: Nicks can have passwords with an IRC server?
17:20 < noodle> phy1729: yeah it has a password
17:20 < phy1729> Maybe an auth block could force a nick, but I mean just set a common password and assume friends won't be annoying
17:20 < Bradipo> Well, yeah, that's kind of what I'm suggesting.
17:20 < Bradipo> Don't worry about enforcing nick names...
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17:21 < Bradipo> Sure, require a password, require TLS if necessary, even client certificates would be nifty.
17:21 < phy1729> Don't solve social problems with technical means
17:21 < Bradipo> Yep, that's what I'm trying to convey.
17:21 < Bradipo> KISS (keep it simple stupid) principle here.
17:22 < noodle> hmmm good point
17:23 < noodle> alright thx all for the input
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17:37 < Bradipo> noodle: Do you also host your own email?
17:37 < noodle> Bradipo: yeah
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17:37 < Bradipo> Which I think is admirable in this day and age.
17:39 < noodle> Bradipo: aw thx. i'm considering adding other ppl to it but i'm waiting for some patch that'd prevent local users from spoofing mail (again i know). lemme see maybe it got fixed
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17:45 < noodle> Bradipo: this one https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/OpenSMTPD/issues/709 i like giving ppl shell accounts so they can change the password themselves when ssh'd into the mail server, but then they can (accidentially?) spoof mails because there's no way to specify `senders <users> for mails coming from the socket
17:45 < sibiria> right, but must they come over socket instead of loopback tcp?
17:45 < noodle> the `masquerade' option would be nice too
17:45 < sibiria> i get the simplicity but not the necessity
17:46 < noodle> o lemme check again. been a while
17:47 < sibiria> no, i mean, you *can* let them auth normally (with credentials) over loopback tcp
17:47 < sibiria> i understand it's messier than UNIX auth, but it's a solution to the problem
17:47 < noodle> yeah but then i'd have to revoke their ssh access
17:47 < sibiria> why?
17:47 < noodle> so they wouldn't be able to use the socket
17:48 < noodle> iirc the socket is needed for the mail(1) and system mails right?
17:50 < thrig> you could also give them a restricted shell that can't use editors or mail or whatever
17:50 < noodle> yeah i thought of that. only passwd(1) i guess
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17:50 < Bradipo> Well, there again, if you're giving them shell access, what are the terms of use?
17:51 < thrig> there are tilde servers that have a "and this is why we can't have nice things" followed by a list of things not to do
17:52 < noodle> Bradipo at this rate you'd just disable all sorts of spoof prevention. maybe your mail client misbehaves, someone hacks your computer, you accidentially send from the wrong account, etcetc
17:53 < noodle> i think prevention is good even if there're no bad actors
17:53 < noodle> better be safe than sorry
17:53 < noodle> and it's just like 15 extra characters in the config so won't hurt
17:53 < Bradipo> Is it a feature that you can utilize today?
17:54 < Bradipo> Again, it depends on the audience and trust.
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17:54 < noodle> i think of it kinda like how you use doas instead of logging in as root
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17:55 < noodle> or like su into root when you need to do admin stuff then get back to a non-priviliged user
17:55 < noodle> the mental overhead isn't worth it imo
17:56 < sibiria> noodle: i'm not entirely sure (if mail(1) needs socket or not), but you don't have to process incoming mail over socket the same way you process those coming over loopback
17:56 < sibiria> you can tag these two ingresses differently
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17:56 < sibiria> and, for example, enforce only direct mbox delivery on the socket one
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17:57 < sibiria> users will be forced to set up regular smtp auth in mutt or whatever is provided, but it will solve the problem until opensmtpd enables more directives for the socket path
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17:58 < rIMpossible> uwharrie: thank you for the valuable information
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18:03 < Bradipo> It's unfortunate that nobody bothers with true p2p authenticated emails.  Then it wouldn't matter who sends what from where.
18:04 < noodle> > noodle: i'm not entirely sure (if mail(1) needs socket or not), but you don't have to process incoming mail over socket the same way you process those coming over loopback
18:04 < noodle> sibiria: i just assumed because it doesn't pass the senders and masqurede options whenever i email on socket. i tried disabling the listen on socket thing but somehow i still get mails. i guess it's the local enquer or watever it's called
18:04 < noodle> > users will be forced to set up regular smtp auth in mutt or whatever is provided, but it will solve the problem until opensmtpd enables more directives for the socket path
18:04 < noodle> with match rules right? great idea :) no one uses mail(1) on while ssh'd into a server anyways i guess. thxx
18:05 < sibiria> with opensmtpd you cannot disable listening on socket
18:05 < Bradipo> noodle: Unless I'm mistaken, there is always /usr/sbin/sendmail
18:05 < noodle> sibiria: oh heck i forgot that ;-; thx for lettin me know
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18:06 < Bradipo> Which socket are we talking about?  smtpd(8) has "-P smtp"
18:06 < sibiria> unix socket
18:07 < Bradipo> Ahh, Unix domain socket.
18:07 < Bradipo> Well, cannot that be protected with permissions?
18:07 < noodle> Braidipo: yeah. restricting ppl to send stuff on localhost would solve that too ig
18:07 < sibiria> i don't know if smtpd has options for setting the permissions on it. it will kill the socket at restart so any changes you might apply manually after starting smtpd will be undone
18:07 < Bradipo> It's a file, use chmod.
18:08 < noodle> > It's unfortunate that nobody bothers with true p2p authenticated emails.  Then it wouldn't matter who sends what from where.
18:08 < noodle> Bradipo: you reminded me i should get some pgp going too :b
18:08 < Bradipo> chmod 660 /var/run/smtpd.sock
18:08 < Bradipo> Though, then you have another problem...
18:08 < Bradipo> smtpctl seems to be SETGID.
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18:09 < Bradipo> But maybe that won't matter.
18:10 < Bradipo> Maybe smtpctl doesn't even use the socket for queueing email.
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18:12 < noodle> hm idk
18:12 < Bradipo> Maybe separate email from shell server. :-)
18:12 < Bradipo> If you don't trust your users.
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18:13 < noodle> sibiria: btw how do you handle dmarc reports? i have like a 100% report thing and i keep getting them every 1-2 days. only fastmail gives me a proper textual report, everyone else sends this ugly zip file i gotta unzip to read some xml lol. my mails pass but idk i don't want to fail so i keep reading them
18:14 < Bradipo> noodle: Disable DMARC and then you won't get the reports. :-)
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18:14 < noodle> Bradipo: (i don't even trust myself xD) i mean i trust users after i've set the right permissions. they only need a shell to change their password
18:14 < sibiria> noodle: i don't. if the mail is rejected i will know sooner than the dmarc digest happens
18:14 < noodle> Bradipo: but what if i start failing spf/dkim in the future. would be bad
18:14 < noodle> sibiria: fair
18:14 < noodle> ig i'll lower the % for now to ease into it
18:15 < Bradipo> Interesting read on the topic: https://marc.info/?l=nanog&m=175148556319481&w=2
18:15 < noodle> Bradipo thxx lemme see
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18:16 < sibiria> my dmarc policy is strict - 100% reject - but i don't bother with the reports. few systems send forensic (single report), and the aggregate just takes forever anyway
18:17 < sibiria> and i can't do anything about others attempting to spoof e-mails from my domains anyway
18:17 < sibiria> which is like 100% of the reports in the aggregate
18:17 < noodle> yeah
18:17 < sibiria> so i keep no rua/ruf :)
18:17 < noodle> 1st emailsj getting silently dropped seem concerning tho
18:17 < noodle> s/emailsj/emails/
18:18 < sibiria> sure but dickhead "e-mail security gateways" always do that. there's no way around it
18:18 < sibiria> the Enterpriseier the worse they are
18:18 < noodle> yeah. ig i'd email the person from adifferent address in that case, but defeats the point of self-hosting mail lol
18:19 < Bradipo> Well, only if you don't scream about it.
18:19 < Bradipo> If you silently resign and send from a different address, then it only gets worse.
18:19 < noodle> yeah
18:20 < Bradipo> The party doing the blocking is accountable for their practices.
18:22 < noodle> Bradipo: then the person u emailed goes "just use gmail!!" xD
18:23 < noodle> it feels like fighting uphill sometimes
18:24 < Bradipo> It is.
18:24 < noodle> i make sure my friends/family move my mails out the gmail spam box when it goes there sometimes so ig there's it's not all bad
18:24 < Bradipo> Yep.
18:24 < Bradipo> I know the routine.
18:25 < Bradipo> But *they* have chosen to use it and it's they're provider who is blocking or censoring your email.
18:25 < Bradipo> I know it's uphill battle.
18:25 < Bradipo> I deal with it all the time.
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18:28 < noodle> > But *they* have chosen to use it and it's they're provider who is blocking or censoring your email.
18:28 < noodle> Bradipo: yeah
18:29 < noodle> i love the "Run your own mail server" book. it has funny art and slogans
18:29 < systemdsucks> they also read your mail
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18:30 < noodle> ``Never surrender the protocols.Reclaim your connections. Run your own mail server.'' xD
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18:44 < Bradipo> noodle: You may have seen this before: https://poolp.org/posts/2019-12-15/decentralised-smtp-is-for-the-greater-good/ I know I have shared it before.
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18:46 < noodle> Bradipo: o yeah i remember reading the intro. poolp has nice writeups on smtp. i followed their guide along with solene's for my server
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19:48 < __gilles> <3
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20:00 < ssm_> noodle: that guide makes a few mistakes, and assumes you'll want to use a 3rd party IMAP server
20:00 < ssm_> but it's okay as a starting point I guess, the manual can be hard to stitch together a config with alone
20:01 < ssm_> though there are actually some pretty good examples at the bottom
20:04 < noodle> ssm_: oh yeah. i had a setup without imap but it was boring because i wanted to get like mailbox notifications and stuff so i added imap later. and yah mail is hard so gotta start somewhere :b
20:05 < noodle> yk like. using whatever client on your os of choice and getting mails without having to go thro the ssh -> mutt thing
20:06 < Bradipo> "mail is hard" is precisely the kind of myth that the article tries to dispell.
20:06 < noodle> oh yeah. i mean. it like took me a long time to "get" it
20:06 < Bradipo> However, sometimes choices are limited.
20:06 < Bradipo> For example, there doesn't really seem to be a decent webmail client.
20:07 < noodle> oh. i heard about this cube thing (forgot the name)
20:07 < Bradipo> RoundCube is not bad.
20:07 < noodle> webmail is bloat anyways :b
20:07 < Bradipo> I agree, but I'm not the only user. :-)
20:07 < noodle> fairr
20:08 < noodle> i imagine everyone has like a mail app. gmail/outlook can connect to a non-gmail/outlook smtp/imap right?
20:08 < noodle> at least outlook can afaik
20:09 < Bradipo> Yep, but Gmail has pretty much turned people's brains to mush.  They want "webmail" so they don't have to worry about a client.
20:09 < noodle> yea :c
20:10 < noodle> people really forgot the HyperText part of HTTP/HTML hehe
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20:10 < noodle> i think you can have a nojs mail client on the web tho? idk not sure
20:10 < noodle> i think i recall some tor mail service without js
20:11 < Bradipo> I wonder how much JS RoundCube uses.
20:11 < lts> Never trust Microsoft https://mailbox.org/en/post/warning-new-outlook-sends-passwords-mails-and-other-data-to-microsoft
20:11 < noodle> damn . _.
20:11 < Bradipo> That's dated 2023?
20:11 < lts> Things have not changed since 2023
20:12 < Bradipo> Though, I suppose it could have just gotten worse.
20:12 < pardis> gmail used to work without js, and back in the day there was hotmail
20:12 < pardis> js is a choice of the big providers, not a necessity
20:12 < noodle> Bradipo: things only go downhill at big corp. you hear how they laid off lots ppl because ai can do their jobs?
20:12 < noodle> pradis: oh yeah i remember the html-only version :)
20:12 < Bradipo> I think "ai can do their jobs" is a misdirection.
20:13 < Bradipo> "ai" is the scapegoat for all kinds of things these days, when in reality it's because their bottom line is suffering.
20:13 < noodle> sorry didn't get it
20:14 < noodle> pradis: i used to pride myself in having a hotmail email adress. everyone else had yahoo and some gmail lol 
20:14 < Bradipo> The statement that "AI can do their jobs" just means that the company is suffering financially.  "bottom line" refers to their accounting ledgers.
20:14 < noodle> oh yeah
20:14 < noodle> it's all cost cutting
20:15 < Bradipo> "AI" isn't really picking up the slack.  They're just trimming fat.  Anything they surrender to "AI" will effectively go down the toilet.
20:15 < Bradipo> Isolating them even more from their customers.
20:15 < noodle> i should've put the ai part in quotes because yk, code quality only decreases after that
20:16 < noodle> ai is the jpeg compression of knowledge xD
20:16 < pardis> their customers are wall street, users are just an inconvenience
20:16 < Bradipo> lts: Thanks for the link, I hadn't heard of this before.
20:16 < noodle> >  Isolating them even more from their customers.
20:16 < noodle> this reminds me i hate those ai chat agents they employ nowdays. real human customer service sucks and they made it even worse by cutting out the human 
20:17 < Bradipo> noodle: Your statement is precisely what I'm talking about.
20:18 < phy1729> You're not wrong, but I'd appreciate it if the topic stuck to OpenBSD.
20:18 < noodle> phy1729 oh yeah i felt we were straying away. ai talk causes issues
20:18 < Bradipo> Well, what is OpenBSD doing to include AI in it's Operating System? ;-)
20:18 < noodle> ok back to mail
20:19 < noodle> is it bad practice to include a pgp public key at the bottom of all my mails? idk i'm not a heavy email user 
20:19 < Bradipo> Has the OpenBSD Foundation marshalled an "AI Committee" to bring AI to OpenBSD users?
20:19 < IcePic> noodle: no, today noone minds the extra data
20:19 < Bradipo> noodle: Including a PGP key at the bottom of the email isn't very useful.
20:19 < noodle> nice thxx
20:19 < Bradipo> How do they know to trust the key?
20:19 < noodle> Bradipo: hmmmm
20:20 < pardis> it's useful as TOFU
20:20 < pardis> which is better than nothing, but not ideal
20:20 < IcePic> having it at the end makes some people know you are legit and totally safe and all that. ;)
20:20 < IcePic> https://xkcd.com/1181/
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20:20 < noodle> the food?
20:20 < pardis> trust on first use
20:20 < noodle> oh yah
20:21 < Bradipo> Yeah, the food.  Sometimes the only thing you have to cook with is TOFU.  You won't starve, but it won't be a pleasure inducing meal either.
20:21 < noodle> >  https://xkcd.com/1181/
20:21 < noodle> lmaoo
20:21 < noodle> i love tofu. i wish more was sold locally here
20:22 < noodle> > How do they know to trust the key?
20:22 < noodle> Bradipo: i guess i put it on my website too to cross-verifiy. like people do with xmpp omemo
20:23 < Bradipo> Well, the security of PGP kind of wants a "signing party".
20:23 < IcePic> web-of-mistrust
20:23 < Bradipo> Where you physically verify the owner of the key.
20:24 < Bradipo> I haven't heard of any PGP signing parties in a long time, unfortunately.
20:24 < Bradipo> OpenBSD has gnupg as a package.
20:24 < pardis> I've always thought that security model was broken
20:24 < noodle> nah i don't like the web of trust thing tbh
20:24 < pardis> I don't really care about someone's irl identity 99% of the time, what I care about is reputation within the project
20:24 < pardis> "has this key been doing good work?" as opposed to "is this key Mr Joe Bloggs?"
20:25 < noodle> good thinking
20:25 < Bradipo> I guess it depends on what the key is used for.
20:26 < Bradipo> "where the key has been" is harder to prove.
20:26 < noodle> i got netpgp but haven't used it for email yet. only used gpg for password encryption but moved to something else
20:26 < Bradipo> keepassxc is in packages too for OpenBSD.
20:26 < Bradipo> Instead of GPG for password encryption.
20:26 < Bradipo> Unless you mean you use GPG to send an encrypted password to some contact.
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20:27 < noodle> oh nah just the uhh passphrase protected key that unlocks paosswords? idk how it fully worked. was running it through the cli pass program
20:27 < Bradipo> Is that also available as a package on OpenBSD?
20:27 < noodle> yeah
20:27 < Bradipo> Ahh, ok.
20:28 < noodle> nowdays i just use some scripts with openssl. all in base
20:29 < Bradipo> Might be riskier.
20:29 < Bradipo> "roll your own" crypto often has unintended flaws.
20:30 < sibiria> i'd categorize this as making use of applied crypto
20:31 < noodle> i think it's too simple to fail. just `openssl enc -e -chacha20 -pbkdf2 -iter 10000 -out coollogin.cha20' to encrypt a password and `openssl enc -d -chacha20 -pbkdf2 -iter 10000 -in coollogin.cha20' to decrypt it. stole the command from this channe lol :b
20:31 < noodle> i made some scripts to make it nicer if anyone's interested https://git.pastanoggin.com/opass/log.html
20:34 < Bradipo> Ahh, I think I remember discussing these scripts with you a while ago.
20:36 < sibiria> wrapping openssl is acceptable if the idea is to stay in base. i really like keepassxc, so that i can use my keychain on multiple OSes
20:36 < noodle> Bradipo: my memory is bad so i'll trust you 
20:37 < noodle> sibiria: that's a good idea yeah. manually duplicating the passwords aint fun
20:37 < Bradipo> Haha, mine could be bad too.  But that openssl command looks quite familiar.
20:37 < noodle> yea i asked about it here :)
20:39 < xse> also saw a port for browserpass-native recently
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21:25 < noodle> exactly :3
21:26 < noodle> i'm yet to learn ctags tho
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21:29 < Bradipo> ctags isn't really that difficult.
21:29 < Bradipo> I use it with vi.
21:30 < noodle> nice
21:32 < ssm_> my ctags is called grep
21:34 < Bradipo> Well, yes, but sometimes it's nice to navigate the code using control-] and control-T.
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21:35 < Bradipo> If I'm editing abc.c and it references a function foo from xyz.c I can just use control-] to take me to the definition of foo()
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21:38 < creek> did anyone have any ideas on this? https://pasteboard.co/yYbiUBhOSxLq.png
21:38 < creek> install77 gets stuck on boot on my macbook from 2016, so does netbsd after identifying the usb and freebsd says it cant find the rood device
21:39 < creek> archlinux boots just fine.
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21:39 < uwharrie>  
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21:44 < sibiria> creek: right about now i'd ask on the appropriate mailing list. but also, apple's ssd is a bit of a custom doohickey for their specific platform
21:44 < sibiria> you can run many other off-the-shelf NVMes on the macbooks, as a possible alternative
21:45 < sibiria> it's not impossible that it could make openbsd play ball
21:45 < creek> ye i saw there is a applt-boot firmware and it got me thinking as well :)
21:45 < creek> apple
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