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00:02 < oldlaptop> That sounds like the actual device is not attaching.
00:02 < oldlaptop> (What you see in xinput is a sort of multiplexed mouse provided by wscons(4).)
00:02 < c0co> I don't intend to get mousepad gestures or any of the more complex mousepad controls working. I just want to move the cursor and click with it really.
00:03 < c0co> In fact I'm not opposed to just using this device from term only. But it's annoying me that such a simple device isn't working if I really want it to, so trying to figure it out
00:03 < oldlaptop> It'd be necessary to see the whole dmesg, but most likely the device is not supported.
00:04 < oldlaptop> (Such things are not very well standardized nowadays, especially on cheap chromebooks.)
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00:04 < oldlaptop> Something may come of it if you mail a dmesg to bugs@, where the right people will see it.
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00:30 < c0co> Done, thanks
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00:34 < c0co> I'd like to share the full dmseg here for visibility too. 0x0.st is down 
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00:58 < oldlaptop> The /topic has a couple other suggestions
00:59 < c0co> thanks! https://termbin/igrf
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01:07 < ssm_> reading tcpdump, why does mounting nfs require port 731? I can't find any info on it, it's not in services(5)
01:07 < oldlaptop> the bit around ietp0 seems odd.
01:08 < oldlaptop> https://man.openbsd.org/ietp should be the touchpad, and it looks like it's attaching
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01:09 < oldlaptop> but something goofy is happening - it reads like wsmouse0's attach message is being written between ietp0's attach message proper and its terminating newline
01:10 < oldlaptop> (maybe it's deterministic - it shows up the same way in both boots you pasted - but maybe something ickier and racier is happening)
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01:19 < Matt|home> quadruple quintuple checking: NTFS is not supported on openbsd correct? yeah im reading it right here, i just want to make sure that's currently the case and they didn't add support for it later
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01:23 < pardis> are you reading documentation from 2003?
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01:34 < ssm_> okay so rpc programs use random ports determined by portmap(8) I believe... that's kind of hard to do any sort of policy-based routing with. I want to binat only on rpc and nfs ports and regular nat on other ports
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01:35 < ssm_> mountd manual says to read part of the spec for port numbers but my search engine is failing me
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01:46  * ssm_ tries to find the range in source code and fails
01:47 < ssm_> other nfs's have MOUNTD_PORTS to force a port but my grepping tells me we don't have that
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02:17 < c0co> thank you oldlaptop. Do you have any suggestions for how I might fix such?
02:24 < c0co> wsconsctl lines for the touchpad: https://www.termbin/rjo9    and xinput: https://termbin.com/xu1u 
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02:43 < oldlaptop> Other than "learn kernel hacking", not really.
02:44 < oldlaptop> I almost wonder if a non-MP (bsd.sp) kernel wpuld show different symptoms.
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02:44 < Matt|home> i've been at this for a while.. i just finished formatting a thumb drive to FAT32, doing a bunch of troubleshooting, and when i try to mount it im getting 'device not configured'
02:45 < Matt|home> is there some fundamental thing preventing this drive from working between windows and bsd?
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03:45 < Matt|home> got it working.. yayy..
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07:06 < c0co> sorry oldlaptop, I will have missed any reply you sent re the wconstl / xinput dumps
07:08 < IcePic> ssm_: portmap is a weird kind of protocol, and nfs using it means it also becomes weird in terms of ports as you found out. If you wanted to limit access, I'd almost suggest running nfs inside wireguard and use wg access instead of nfs+pf to limit who can access it
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07:43 < xs> c0co: what driver is attached to the touchpad, can you share a dmesg ?
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07:44 < xs> ah sorry my client was displaying old messages
07:49 < c0co> no problem
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09:13 < ssm_> IcePic: I already am, I'm trying to limit what services I binat to through wg
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09:22 < ssm_> wait just woke up and I think I'm stupid, binat's for my rdomains not wg. nevermind
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10:09 < kuzdra> hi. i have an amd64 machine with an extra SATA SSD connected to it. the drive is used just as a filer, not gonna boot from it. do i still need to create an MBR with fdisk before i create a disklabel?
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10:37 < ssm_> wg(4) with policy based routing via pf + rdomains is so much nicer than the standard corpo vpn on or off and nothing else paradigm. you can choose exactly what will and will not go through the tunnel, and can even do things like route domain traffic through the tunnel and rdr to the remote server's dns server without needing any janky local setup that still originates dns requests on the client side 
10:37 < ssm_> regardless of encryption
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10:39 < ssm_> throw in some other traffic through the tunnel like ssh and irc and isps will have a harder time with traffic based analysis
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10:57 < franks2> The man (2) bind is much more full on Linux than OpenBSD, with examples etc. is this by design? are there any other place i can look for examples?
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11:02 < ssm_> franks2: `grep -r 'bind[ \t]*(' /usr/share/man/` pointed me to getaddrinfo(3), which has some good examples
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11:04 < franks2> ssm_: thx!
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23:33 < emmanuelux> hello #openbsd, nothing to say all is good...
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23:38 < vortexx> I've got a social question to ask, related to an openbsd router: I need to make an android phone to connect via vpn (protocol doesn't matter so long as it works, wg prefered whatever app but whatever stays perm active is better). The point is that all DNS requests from the phone go to the specified DNS server over the vpn at all times, over 4G/5G 
23:38 < vortexx> is this doable?
23:38 < vortexx> I wnat to use unbound-adblock use extra lists to protect the user
23:38 < vortexx> s/wnat/want
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23:39 < dooder> I think so ya. It's more of a general wg thing I think. My phone connects to my wireguard server whenever it's not on a certain APs. The dns server to use is part of the wg config IIRC
23:39 < TommyC> vortexx: Yeah that's do-able.
23:40 < vortexx> the prob is the user may disconnect the wg just because of power usage
23:40 < vortexx> I want something that's as transparent as possible, not app dependent
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23:41 < TommyC> vortexx: Ok so it sounds like maybe you just need to specify a DNS server for the phone to use, no?
23:41 < Bradipo> And if wg is disconnected then the DNS fails?
23:41 < vortexx> TommyC: prob DNS server is behind NAT
23:41 < dooder> Could just be a dhcp setting 
23:41 < vortexx> thus I need vpn
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23:41 < Bradipo> Meaning that the device will only be useable while on the VPN?
23:42 < TommyC> vortexx: Ok so then the question becomes: What do you want to happen if the phone isn't connected to the OpenBSD router (via VPN)?
23:42 < vortexx> I have full control of the ISP router DNS wise at the home, but I need the phone to only use the DNS via vpn to the home DNS server
23:42 < vortexx> TommyC: to fail
23:43 < vortexx> I don't care if it fails if out of range
23:44 < vortexx> home router is sufficiently reliable as is the APU2 behind it for serving DNS via unbound-adblock
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23:44 < TommyC> Ok, so you can set up the phone to specifically use the DNS server on the home router.
23:44 < vortexx> what's my best VPN ?
23:44 < vortexx> yes
23:44 < TommyC> Problem solved, no?
23:44 < vortexx> I want something that is transparent on the phone
23:45 < vortexx> the user should never question that vpn is in use
23:45 < TommyC> Now I'm starting to think you're doing a stalker performing a MITM...
23:45 < TommyC> s/doing//
23:46 < vortexx> lol
23:46 < vortexx> I have a parent falling into dementia, is that going to enough?
23:47 < vortexx> a/that going to enough/that going to be enough
23:49 < vortexx> I don't normally share anything personal on this channel, I have by the past had to suggest that sometimes technical meant social issues at the other end
23:50 < vortexx> I know have to protect a parent from bad sites, and if that person must keep on having a phone, I need to block at the DNS level
23:51 < vortexx> s/know/now
23:51 < vortexx> absinthe is getting in the way tonight
23:52 < vortexx> so any constructive suggestions, I'm all ears, and I do log this channel
23:55 < oldlaptop> I suppose it's to be hoped that things aren't to the point where a feature phone is the obvious choice
23:55 < vortexx> (if you don't log this channel, you're a fool, it's at least as good as misc@openbsd)
23:56 < vortexx> oldlaptop: not yet
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23:56 < vortexx> that may come, but we need whatsapp in Europe if it comes to features phones. I haven't yet explored that
23:56 < oldlaptop> Offhand I would think big organizations that issue smartphones would have basically the same problem.
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23:57 < vortexx> phone is android 15 btw
23:57 < vortexx> there's at least ipsec in there
23:57 < oldlaptop> (At least they would need to prevent the user from disabling the VPN. Hiding its existence wouldn't be an issue - at least on this side of the big salty lake the user will generally have signed a thing stating the user understands the company devices, network, etc. are monitored.)
23:58 < oldlaptop> The user probably will not have read it, I guess.
23:58 < vortexx> OK so I may have something to work with
23:58 < vortexx> I've had to activate parental controls
23:58 < vortexx> via google and all thatr
23:59 < oldlaptop> Something in the back of my head says iOS is easier for that sort of institutional control, but I have no idea what it is or how it got there. (And there's something else arguing with it.)
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