--- Log opened Sat Jul 19 00:00:15 2025
--- Day changed Sat Jul 19 2025
00:00 < vortexx> that could be done, buying a new phone just means I have to have the same to be sure everything is the same
00:00 < oldlaptop> I believe $current_employer issues Androids, and I would assume they require a full-time VPN. (I don't have/need one, so don't know.)
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00:02 < oldlaptop> The plain old official wireguard app indicates its presence with a little lever-lock key here, but I think that's actually the OS' responsibility.
00:02 < vortexx> oldlaptop: thanks for chimming, I knew you had something to say about this
00:03 < vortexx> prob is user used (but may no longer notice) that the phone was uisng more battery cos vpn
00:03 < vortexx> used to notice
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00:06 < vortexx> looking at my phone it does IPSEC with various auth stuff
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00:07 < vortexx> I have wireguard on it but since this is a new phone for me and the parent I haven't gotten round to doing wg on it yet, a major failure along with doing unbound-adblock on parent network
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00:10 < vortexx> I have unbound-adblock on my own router but I was wondering if anyone had DANS-Guardian going, since that's aimed at keeping kids off bad sites, and if it's transtlable to OpenBSD's "native" as in base tools
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00:49 < vortexx> oldlaptop: I will test the wireguard app tomorrow, and if that seems not invisible enough ipsec it is 
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04:07 < kvo> sorry, had some downtime so if anyone replied to my question about the rpi led, i haven't/can't see it
04:12 < PHENIBUT> someone here said to me, that the reason I was seeing a acpitz errors messages of sorts and core temperature 0C exceeded and that the system was being forced to power off, was due to the the bsd kernel at that time of my posting this question not providing proper support or at all even for altering the clock frequency of the processor. okay ...
04:12 < PHENIBUT> but then my question is this; why is it completely fine during the installation and not upon following system install on the running system?
04:15 < mischief> the install kernel and the kernel for an installed system are different.
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04:20 < PHENIBUT> wow
04:20 < PHENIBUT> I would not ever have suspected such a thing.
04:27 < mischief> the install kernel has things removed to make it smaller for install media, but i feel like the age in which that was a useful idea is long gone. no idea why openbsd continues to do it today
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07:53 < Larp> why OpenBSD?
07:56 < Larp> sell it to me
07:56 < Larp> there's 1000s of Operating Systems to choose from in 2025
07:59 < nooticer> google it
08:00 < Larp> nooticer, insulting. you think I don't know what OpenBSD is?
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08:09 < AmyMalik> Larp, if it looks like it will fulfill your needs, it's worth a serious consideration.
08:09 < AmyMalik> but that goes with all the major Oses
08:09 < AmyMalik> OSes
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09:49 < ssm_> there's maybe <10 OSs worth using and another 5 that are commonly used but are definitely not worth using
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09:51 < IcePic> just like a handyman has something like 10 tools in his toolbox. Depending in the problem to fix, you choose the best available tool for it, when you know the problem. You don't start with picking out the hammer and then wondering what to beat with it
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11:42 < horsegoosemeth> test
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12:24 < PyR3X> anyone know what the right settings might be for relayd to just do a straight layer 3 relay i.e. listen on egress port 6697 and forward to <znc> port 1234 where znc is localhost? Looks like connections seem to drop intermittenly perhaps due to timeouts or something else
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12:40 < sibiria> if it's plain layer 3 bridging between two ports, why not just do that with pf?
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12:49 < sonya> as anyway relayd will operate within pf's anchor..
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13:32 < vortexx> <sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
13:32 < vortexx> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
13:32 < vortexx> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
13:32 < vortexx> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
13:32 < vortexx> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
13:33 < vortexx> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssy
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13:33 < vortexx> sorry about that
13:33 < vortexx> something fell on the keyboard
13:33 < sonya> my cat daes exactly the same..
13:33 < sibiria> no worriessssssssssss
13:34 < supaman> sigh ... those sssssssslitherin people just cant get enugh of theyr s's
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13:37 < il> that's pretty funny
13:37 < il> what client do you use, vortexx?
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14:04 < puffybuf> I'm getting undefined symbol '__stderr' with latest snapshots. Do I have to wait for these ports to be re-built?
14:06 < sibiria> possibly, or until you get tired of all the surprises that come with running snapshots, and go back to -stable
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14:10 < vortexx> il: irssi in tmux
14:11 < vortexx> puffybuf: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html says there was a major lib bump on the 16th, that may be why
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14:25 < ssm_> puffybuf: if you don't care about updating the kernel, you can unpack snapshot tarballs in place and update packages
14:25 < ssm_> which is sort of just what you do anyways if you're on an arch that doesn't support sysupgrade
14:26 < ssm_> or you can't access bsd.rd for one reason or another (arm/riscv64)
14:26 < ssm_> s/$/ without serial connection
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15:01 < il> so irssi doesn't have a problem with splitting a message to 5+ messages hah
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15:03 < lts> Requires a script though
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15:07 < Lucas_> puffybuf: yes, there is an unstable period currently. Best is to way a couple of days.
15:08 < sibiria> lts: not anymore
15:09 < lts> New features in irssi? Good heavens
15:10 < sibiria> not sure if it's irssi or libera pacing it
15:14 < sibiria> maximum message length is a local setting of the irc server. clients are unaware of the setting
15:14 < sibiria> a lot of networks go beyond the "must be" spec of the RFC
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16:55 < kuzdra> what's available in the toolbox to troubleshoot TLS handshakes besides "openssl s_client" and "tcpdump"?
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18:03 < sonya> kuzdra: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/azurepaasblog/ssltls-connection-issue-troubleshooting-test-tools/2240059
18:04 < CosmicDJ> nice one M$, I need to sign in to view this
18:04 < lts> Oh that feels dirty. Microsoft
18:04 < lts> Shows well here. Don't give them javascript perhaps
18:04 < sonya> use w3m/links+ and no js..
18:05 < CosmicDJ> ops, the last 2 chars were missing from the URL, full URL works without have to sign in
18:05 < lts> tl;dr it's "curl can help, here are some examples"
18:06 < sonya> curl is the tool, yes..
18:06 < sonya> certutil is a part from 'nss'
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18:16 < kuzdra> my TLS isn't on HTTP, but i think curl should still suffice for the handshake part; will looking into certutil/nss too. cheers!
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18:19 < sibiria> openssl's s_client provides almost all of the options and feedback you may need
18:20 < sibiria> starttls, implicit tls, debug, dtls, sni etc.
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18:23 < byteskeptical> yeah openssl s_client is op
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18:30 < kuzdra> good to know. i'll stick to it then. it's been sufficient so far, i just wanted to make sure i'm not missing out on something obvious
18:31 < CosmicDJ> IIRC I had to use smth else to get a M$SQL TDS server cert, openssl didn't work there
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18:32 < CosmicDJ> so let's nmap to the list of tools
18:32 < CosmicDJ> +add+
18:32 -kuzdra:#openbsd- nmap added
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18:37 < sonya> an option could be a local install of current lts openssl-3.5.(1) and try/compare s_client's options (if base libressl is not enough).. 
18:37 < sonya> build and install
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18:39 < kuzdra> puffybuf: re "undefined symbol '__stderr'": someone on misc@ just posted about the same problem
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18:42 < uwharrie> which is this: https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250717103345
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18:54 < ssm_> will a match ... rdr-to rule still redirect even if there is no pass for the pre-redirect addr+port?
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18:55 < ssm_> IE with `match in on egress proto tcp to port {submission submissions smtps} rdr-to (egress) port smtp` can I simply have a `pass in on egress tcp to port smtp`
18:55 < ssm_> or will I need to pass all ports I redirect
18:57 < sibiria> it will
18:57 < sibiria> PASS IN <-- ... rdr-to
18:58 < sibiria> if you have a restrictive "block out" on the other interface you will need to adapt that
18:58 < sibiria> since in that case you're lifting the packet over to another interface
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19:00 < ssm_> yeah I have a bit of trouble figuring out where direction changes in some cases. I try watching tcpdump -D in/out though it doesn't seem directly analagous to pf in/out or I'm just bad
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