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12:48 < il> I am trying to get just a list of URLs from an OPML file
12:48 < il> using only shell utils
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12:50 < zelest> grep -oE 'http:[^<]+' file?
12:50 < zelest> or something similar
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13:01 < il> grep piped to sed
13:01 < il> actually pretty simple, though I did prompt an llm for a regex
13:01 < il> also could've pontentially just used xpath
13:01 < zelest> no need for sed really
13:01 < zelest> grep can do regex too
13:02 < il> yeah, but grep just returns matching lines, right
13:03 < IcePic> grep -o prints only the matching part
13:05 < zelest> https?:[^<]+ is probably a better regex too
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13:06 < il> it's not taking the same regex I used with sed
13:07 < il> invalid back reference, non-existent sub-pattern etc.
13:07 < il> with -G, there's no error
13:07 < il> and no output lol
13:08 < il> let me try your suggested regex, it's much simpler
13:08 < IcePic> one could also use perl if you want fancy regexps
13:09 < il> I was a bit stupid
13:09 < il> this is what happens when you do stuff without thinking about what you're doing, lol
13:09 < il> give me a sec
13:11 < il> zelest: your last suggested regex does work, but doesn't stop matching after the needed url is over... It should end at the closing "
13:11 < zelest> Ah
13:11 < zelest> replace the < with a " then :)
13:12 < zelest> (just knew it was XML-based, but not where in the markup the URL was/is)
13:13 < il> well, another problem
13:13 < il> there are 2 links per feed
13:13 < il> xmlUrl and htmlUrl
13:14 < il> so it should only match the first link per line lol
13:14 < il> or the one specifically starting with xmlUrl... let me try doing this myself
13:15 < il> I can do that, but then I need to cut it out, with sed lol
13:16 < zelest> grep -oE 'xmlUrl="(https?://[^"]+)' file | sed 's/xmlUrl="//'
13:17 < zelest> assuming I didn't misunderstood you
13:17 < il> yes, but I started with something similar
13:17 < il> and you said I can do it without sed
13:17 < il> so it kinda beats the point lol
13:17 < zelest> yeah :)
13:18 < il> fun puzzle, anyway
13:20 < andrath> parsing html with regex? lol. Beware of Tony the Pony: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454
13:20 < il> xml, but close enough
13:23 < il> i never saw this copypasta, very good content lol
13:24 < andrath> it's actually a bit of a classic (and a warning) :)
13:26 < zelest> In this case though, we're not even touching tags or anything.. just extracting stuff that matches a URL and an attribute before that.
13:26 < zelest> But yeah, a proper parser is of course more suitable for parsing markup.
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13:27 < IcePic> the word "warning" and "regex" go well together in sentences
13:27 < zelest> :D
13:28 < il> does openbsd have an xml parser/linter in base?
13:28 < il> I'd guess not
13:28 < zelest> "proper" and "markup" doesn't.. based on the markup you find online. :)
13:28 < zelest> I doubt it
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13:28 < IcePic> like this post that shows how "easy" it is to validate email addresses with regex's https://stackoverflow.com/a/201378
13:29 < zelest> I raise you https://portswigger.net/research/splitting-the-email-atom
13:30 < zelest> email addresses in any shape or form is pure madness
13:31 < andrath> or this: https://pdw.ex-parrot.com/Mail-RFC822-Address.html
13:31 < sibiria> the rfc determining allowed characters for name-addr is, well, insane
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14:21 < P-NuT> Afternoon all. 
14:24 < P-NuT> Where can I get more information on how to contribute to openbsd? Maybe porting an app, helping with documentation or something else. 
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14:26 < byteskeptical> P-NuT: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-05-03-contributing-to-openbsd.html
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17:04 < thrig> in hindsight, allowing for recursive comments (or comments at all) in email addresses was probably an error
17:05 < Bradipo> I don't think I've ever used () in an email address.
17:06 < RobbieAB> There are lots of mistakes in what was allowed in email addresses...
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17:28 < eea> i love how systems reject my valid nobody@vanity.tld address
17:29 < eea> as some sort of invalid address
17:29 < Bradipo> Yeah, email validation, like spam blocking, has gone nuts.
17:30 < eea> openbsd+openbgpd+relayd+pf+opensmtpd+rspamd for me
17:30 < Bradipo> It's like businesses are intentionally putting up artificial barriers to impede customer relationships.
17:30 < thrig> or good luck getting an address+routinginfo@example.org through a web form
17:30 < eea> and a honey pot script to black hole auth abusers
17:30 < Bradipo> thrig: I use - not + 
17:31 < Bradipo> But that's not the worst.   Try using a domain that has more than 2 labels (e.g. @us.ibm.com)
17:31 < thrig> I just make new aliases, and then can drop the alias if they start spammin'
17:31 < Bradipo> It seems that email validators only consider 2 labels in a domain name to be legitimate.
17:32 < Bradipo> eea: I don't bother with spam filtering.
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17:33 < Bradipo> I just use spamd in blacklist mode and block IP sources of spam.
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17:34 < Bradipo> Consequently, I get almost 0 spam these days.
17:35 < thrig> someone was sending me instagram somethings so I blocked their domain
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17:38 < eea> i have a project on my list: switch rspamd for spamd
17:38 < eea> but y'know... i haven't even bought my 7.6 shirt yet
17:38 < eea> i fail, sorry all
17:39 < thrig> all my openbsd t-shirts have more holes than the default install
17:40 < byteskeptical> side-channel attack
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17:41 < uwharrie>  /clear
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17:51 < eea> thrig: +2
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18:08 < riceandbeans> Is there a way to get a system's machine-id like exists on linux and freebsd where you can cat /etc/machine-id ? I know it might not be cating a file but if the same idea of an object like that exists like that that I can pull via an api 
18:09 < Bradipo> You mean the machine UUID?
18:09 < Bradipo> I have a file in /etc called machine-id... not sure where it came from.
18:09 < Bradipo> Haha, it's dated 2018, so I have no idea if it's even correct.
18:10 < uwharrie> dbus creates it
18:10 < riceandbeans> Well, I want to make a UUID per machine, across a series of OSes, basically most all *nix systems
18:10 < Bradipo> Ahh, ok, dbus created it then.
18:10 < riceandbeans> I don't care if it's machine-id really, i want something consistent across reboots I can key off for a UUID generation
18:11 < uwharrie> there is nothing standardized for that
18:11 < riceandbeans> If I have to do something different for BSDs, I can handle that
18:11 < Bradipo> Just generate your own.
18:11 < riceandbeans> I just need some kind of consistent uniqueness thing for a UUID
18:11 < Bradipo> You can have it run as part of your siteXX.tgz when you install a new OS.
18:11 < riceandbeans> Not quite
18:12 < riceandbeans> I'm writing something to be portable that can run on a series of systems, and along the way will be generating a UUID for each of them
18:12 < riceandbeans> Be it DragonFly, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, or any number of Linux distros
18:12 < uwharrie> if you're already doing your own thing from scratch, then stick to your solution and don't worry about differences between systems
18:12 < riceandbeans> So, I can't control what someone does or doesn't do on install
18:13 < Bradipo> I see.
18:13 < Bradipo> So these aren't necessarily for *your* systems.
18:13 < riceandbeans> No, but I also don't know what I can key on in OpenBSD for this
18:13 < Bradipo> You generate it.
18:13 < uwharrie> there isn't anything
18:14 < riceandbeans> I thought about using the mac address of a nic
18:15 < Bradipo> That's an option I suppose.
18:15 < Bradipo> Is it something that you can write to a file in the filesystem?
18:16 < Bradipo> Or is it something that you need to be able to generate from existing data?
18:16 < riceandbeans> I need to generate it from something existing and that can persist a reboot
18:16 < Bradipo> Can you write it out for persistence?
18:16 < riceandbeans> hmmmm
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18:16 < riceandbeans> Interesting idea
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18:17 < riceandbeans> I could just gen a seed to use and store that alongside it
18:17 < uwharrie> why can you use a UUID generator module/CLI?
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18:18 < riceandbeans> I am using a UUID library with the code
18:19 < uwharrie> so you could theoretically bootstrap /etc/machine-id if DBus hasn't already created it
18:20 < Bradipo> e.g. dd if=/dev/random bs=16 count=1 of=/etc/riceandbeans.uuid
18:20 < Bradipo> Just have to investigate what it is that DBus does to generate /etc/machine-id in that case.
18:21 < uwharrie> looks like a standard UUID4 in lowercase with no `-`s 
18:22 < uwharrie> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/sd_id128_get_machine_app_specific.html#
18:22 < Bradipo> Yes, that's what it looks like.
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18:23 < Bradipo> I suppose I could: mv /etc/machine-id /etc/machined-id and see what gets regenerated.
18:23 < Bradipo> If it's UUID4 then I should get a completely new and different machine-id
18:31 < mischief> you can just delete it and run `dbus-uuidgen --ensure=/etc/machine-id` assuming you have dbus installed
18:31 < mischief> it is just random.
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18:36 < riceandbeans> i am soecifically using uuidv5
18:37 < riceandbeans> so id make a uuid5 off a uuid4 that i persist 
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18:50 < Matt|home> Can someone please link me to the section on the openbsd website that shows a list of supported file systems?
18:52 < sibiria> https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.7/mount  scroll to bottom
18:52 < Matt|home> i don't see it..
18:52 < Matt|home> i see -t but no list
18:54 < Matt|home> sibiria - sorry i really don't see it on the page
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18:54 < sibiria> no need to apologize
18:55 < sibiria> ntfs is read-only. ext2 works 100%, ext3 works 99.5% and no journaling support. fat32 works 100%. those are the breaks
18:56 < Matt|home> okay. ext2, ext3, and fat32. FAT32 /is/ 100% supported. gotcha 
18:56 < Matt|home> thank you
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20:36 < riceandbeans> ext3 without journaling isn't really 99.5% lol
20:36 < riceandbeans> ext3 is ext2 + journaling
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20:38 < il> and ext4?
20:39 < riceandbeans> IIRC the big selling point of ext4 was much larger filesystems
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20:44 < il> what will ext5 do, then
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20:47 < riceandbeans> There probably won't be one
20:48 < riceandbeans> Most of linux at this point is converging on btrfs and xfs
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20:48 < tux0r> with xfs being the much wiser choice, given its maturity, its heritage and its list of features vs. bugs.
20:49 < tux0r> i don't think there even is a market for btrfs. to me, it looks like "look ma, we have NIH zfs now"
20:50 < sibiria> riceandbeans: ext3 has features ext2 doesn't have besides journaling
20:50 < thrig> xfs used to be prone to going read-only
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20:51 < sibiria> il: ext4 is entirely no-go on openbsd
20:51 < riceandbeans> sibiria: When it came out that was the big selling point
20:51 < il> sibiria: I know, I was just chatting
20:51 < sibiria> it's the main difference at least
20:51 < riceandbeans> I'll throw you a challenge, support hammerfs so I can mount my dragonfly bsd file systems :P
20:52 < sibiria> so linux will always manage ext2 created on openbsd, but in a few cases ext3 from linux won't fully work on linux
20:52 < tux0r> riceandbeans: IIRC someone tried to do that?
20:52 < riceandbeans> sibiria: back in the day I used reiserfs
20:52 < riceandbeans> Up till that whack job murdered his wife
20:53 < sibiria> i used reiserfs beyond that. it was a pretty snappy file system
20:53 < sibiria> i think it still outperforms ext4 in some cases
20:53 < riceandbeans> Yeah, but when he was gone namesys kinda poofed and it was kinda unsupported
20:53 < tux0r> reiserfs has not become a worse fs just because its developer was a nutjob. i mean, many openbsd developers aren't exactly sane people either ;p
20:53 < riceandbeans> The fabled reiser4 that never was
20:53 < sibiria> i remember compiling openwrt back in the day, with a thousand tiny files, was notable quicker with reiserfs than ext4
20:53 < riceandbeans> It's not that it got worse, it's that it was sort of just unmaintained
20:54 < il> What strategies/tools do admins here use for backing up obsd systems? Not an urgent question, I just like backup as a topic and never thought about it specifically in openbsd case.
20:54 < riceandbeans> rsync
20:54 < il> Some set of base system tools?
20:54 < il> riceandbeans: plain rsync?
20:54 < tux0r> il: borg2 via ssh to an offshore server.
20:54 < il> borg2? borgbackup?
20:55 < tux0r> yup
20:55 < il> ah yeah, it's 2.0 borg, I see
20:55 < tux0r> 2.0 beta 18 as we speak
20:55 < il> I used to use that for a while a couple years back with borgbase
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20:55 < sibiria> il: tar -> xz -> openssl (for encryption). and sftp to send a copy somewhere else
20:55 < Bradipo> il: Depends on the needs.  Sometimes I use dump(8) and restore(8).  Othertimes I use rsync over SSH.
20:56 < il> sibiria: that would be for a base toolset?
20:56 < sibiria> il: all of it is in base except xz, but you can use gzip or anything else
20:56 < sibiria> i use xz just to squeeze things down more
20:56 < tux0r> borg has pretty nice encryption and compression as well (if you enable those) :)
20:56 < il> not a bad system, sibiria 
20:57 < sibiria> simple and gets the job done
20:57 < il> other than the lack of space efficiency
20:57 < il> but yeah
20:57 < sibiria> well i have ample space and the backup payload is kinda small, 200mb maybe
20:57 < sibiria> not a huge amount
20:57 < mischief> i am using dump right now
20:57 < il> tux0r: yeah, I liked it. I used it with borgmatic which basically gives nicer yaml config files.
20:57 < Bradipo> yaml is nice?
20:58 < il> Bradipo: it beats writing shell scripts in lieu of a config
20:58 < tux0r> il: borg2 has a mediocre tooling yet. which makes sense, it's a beta .. i'll try borgmatic after 2.0.0-release, i think.
20:58 < Bradipo> il: I'll write a shell script any day over settling on yaml. :-)
20:58 < il> different strokes lol
20:58 < mischief> the restore from linux dump package can actually read openbsd's dump output, so thats a bonus
20:58 < il> i forgot about dump
20:58 < Bradipo> When was the last time you had to actually recover data?  How well did it go?
20:59 < il> Bradipo: with borgmatic?
20:59 < mischief> ~       5       *       *       6       dump -b64 -0auf - /var | ssh fugu@192.168.0.10 "pv -o /srv/backups/fugu/var-$(date +\%Y\%m\%d).dump0"
20:59 < mischief> set and forget pretty much
20:59 < il> I haven't used it in at least a year, but I think it automated checking the integrity of the backups
20:59 < il> at least the way I had it with borgmatic, I think it did
20:59 < riceandbeans> TIL dump
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21:00 < Bradipo> Backups are only good if they can be successfully restored.
21:01 < riceandbeans> So, make sure you test your backups, regularly.
21:01 < il> Bradipo: exactly, I was talking about it earlier today
21:01 < il> I commit backup heresy... I almost never test backups lol
21:01 < il> But haven't had trouble so far
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21:02 < il> riceandbeans: I know how to automate backups, but I don't know how to automate testing backups... lol
21:02 < il> I'd have to get a way to get notified on a failed backup
21:02 < il> and then I'd have to automate a test for the notification system or whatever lol
21:02 < Bradipo> Endless regression.
21:02 < mischief> restore ... || echo 'restore backup failed' | mail il@example.com
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21:04 < sibiria> with tar you can list the contents (-t). it will croak if it can't parse its way to the last file. though it doesn't add consistency checks, being able to decompress and succesfully parse the list is a decent indicator
21:04 < il> mischief: which would only work if I actually had a way for the server to email me
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21:05 < mischief> well that's easy to fix
21:05 < il> lol
21:05 < il> dump has an -s flag that takes a 'feet' argument
21:05 < il> number of feet left on the tape...
21:06 < mischief> tape always sounds neat until you look at the price of LTO drives
21:07 < il> Doesn't sound nice to me
21:07 < il> I just think about having to store it and the inconvenience of restoring from it lol
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21:08 < Bradipo> LTO is nice if you can afford it.  Otherwise, I suppose there's archival BDXL (blu-ray).
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21:08 < il> I have looked at that.
21:08 < il> I guess it's the second best thing, that is somewhat cheap.
21:08 < mischief> il: losing all your data is also inconvenient
21:09 < sibiria> what's wrong with a regular HDD for storing your backups?
21:09 < il> mischief: having quintuple redundant SSD backup is probably more convenient than using LTO tapes
21:09 < sibiria> flash storage is convenient, but you need to power it regularly for retention
21:09 < Bradipo> I don't think that's more convenient...
21:09 < mischief> there was a guy who was in this channel here a while back who spent weeks off and on trying to recover his openbsd disk he corrupted after he overwrote part of it, seemed pretty inconvenient
21:10 < sibiria> (goes for SSDs as well)
21:10 < il> mischief: you're applying black and white logic. Just because losing data is inconvenient, doesn't mean that all measures to save data are convenient, right?
21:10 < il> Losing data is inconvenient, let me write bits on a slab of granite by hand
21:10 < Bradipo> mischief: I wonder if he ever got it recovered!  Seems like he was pretty close.
21:11 < mischief> don't remember
21:11 < Bradipo> If he reported, I never saw.
21:11 < mischief> that ffs header scanner is still on my github
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21:12 < sibiria> scan_ffs?
21:12 < sibiria> better than the base tool?
21:12 < il> great tool name
21:12 < mischief> sibiria: >      scan_ffs works only on FFS file systems, not FFS2 file systems.
21:13 < mischief> note that rather large caveat at the end there
21:13 < sibiria> that's a shame
21:14 < mischief> i should probably have just gone and fixed it when i was inspired in the moment, but i just wrote some luajit ffi instead xD
21:14 < mischief> https://gist.github.com/mischief/52f948063fb848125dc5119079a6d33d
21:15 < mischief> he's overwritten his partition table and disklabel, but still had partitions somewhere in the disk.
21:15 < mischief> he'd*
21:15 < Bradipo> Right, he was lucky in that he killed the dd before it overwrote his OpenBSD partitions.
21:15 < Bradipo> But the disklabel and MBR/GPT were trashed.
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21:20 < il> good old disk destroyer
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21:47 < shtrophic> if I have a router that has one interface with a 192.168.1.0/24 subnet and another interface with 192.168.2.0/24, how can I "advertise" to clients of the .1.0/24 net that the router can route .2.0/24?
21:48 < shtrophic> or do I need the /16 subnet for that?
21:49 < mischief> doesn't it just work if the clients default route is this router?
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21:49 < shtrophic> I suppose
21:50 < shtrophic> but... if the clients are tunneling via wireguard, then this won't work
21:50 < Bradipo> You only "advertise" if you are sharing routing information with remote systems.
21:50 < Bradipo> Seems like this would be a wireguard configuration that the clients need.
21:50 < shtrophic> can I do this via DHCP somehow? such that the clients apply static routes via that router for that other subnet
21:51 < shtrophic> advertising static routes with dhcp, apparently that is a thing. but the OpenBSD dhcpd apparently cannot do that
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21:56 < Bradipo> shtrophic: Have you looked at PostUp and PostDown wireguard configuration settings?
21:58 < Bradipo> Not sure if they are even relevant, but they look promising for clients.
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22:01 < shtrophic> mischief are you sure? I believe this requires NAT because otherwise the .2.0/24 clients would receive packets from a subnet that they don't know about?
22:01 < shtrophic> I can only make this work with nat-to 192.168.2.1
22:01 < Bradipo> If the clients default route is routing to OpenBSD, then the client doesn't need to know about it.
22:01 < Bradipo> Maybe the problem is the return traffic.
22:02 < shtrophic> yeh no, it is not
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22:03 < shtrophic> bespoke client in the .2.0 subnet ("dmz") is a server that routes everything through a wireguard tunnel
22:04 < Bradipo> Your question was how can clients on 1.x know how to route to 2.x.  If the clients on 1.x have your OpenBSD router as the default gateway, they don't need to know anything about 2.x.
22:05 < Bradipo> 1.9 will send to 2.9 via 1.1 (openbsd I assume).
22:05 < Bradipo> And 2.9 will get the packet (and attempt to respond to 1.9.
22:05 < Bradipo> What does the routing table on 2.9 say about traffic for 1.9?
22:06 < Bradipo> You can certainly use NAT and this will make it so 2.9 thinks that it's talking to 2.1 instead.
22:06 < Bradipo> But otherwise, 2.9 needs to have something in it's routing table that sends packets for 1.x back to 2.1 (openbnsd).
22:06 < shtrophic> I see
22:06 < Bradipo> Unless 2.9 also has 2.1 as it's default gateway. :-)
22:07 < shtrophic> it does not
22:08 < Bradipo> If you want this accomplished with just routing, then 2.9 will need to know about 1.x via static route.
22:08 < shtrophic> still, could I distribute this static route over dhcp?
22:09 < Bradipo> I've never done that before.  Does DHCP support relaying routing information beyond just the "option routers" ?
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22:10 < shtrophic> some guy on serverfault shows that is is possible apparently: https://serverfault.com/a/640866
22:10 < shtrophic> I assume he is talking about isc-dhcpd though (?)
22:11 < Bradipo> You could try it, see if it works.
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22:12 < Bradipo> But, will the server (as wg client) support it? :-)
22:12 < shtrophic> if they obey the dhcp lease, hopefully?
22:13 < Bradipo> Otherwise, you may need to do NAT.
22:13 < Bradipo> But...
22:13 < shtrophic> that's probably the easiest way still
22:13 < Bradipo> That only happens for packets that come from 1.x going to 2.x
22:14 < Bradipo> It doesn't help the server 2.9 know that it can talk to something on 1.x.
22:14 < Bradipo> So, do you want 2.x to be able to initiate connections to 1.x?
22:14 < shtrophic> the server doesn't need to know, because it only needs to reply to states in the firewall that already exist?
22:14 < Bradipo> If so, NAT won't help.
22:14 < shtrophic> no
22:15 < Bradipo> Ok, so 1.x will always initiate to 2.x.  In this case, NAT will be fine.
22:15 < shtrophic> like a half-silvered mirror
22:16 < shtrophic> but everyone that can look through the mirror is looking through a shared hole, haha
22:17 < Bradipo> Just configure wg on the server so that it includes a route?
22:18 < shtrophic> uh, well, digging into systemd's style of networking, particularly modifying routing tables sounds way more involved than just adding one line to the router's PF
22:19 < Bradipo> True.  It depends on what you want to happen with the routing.
22:19 < Bradipo> If you like the one-way mirror, then PF.
22:20 < shtrophic> anyway, thanks for thinking this through with me :)
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