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07:49 < ninjin> To "close the book" on my Transmission questions from a few days back. I tracked the number of file descriptors over a number of sessions to see how it behaves and found that it spikes *massively* on opening and closing (as expected). For over a 2,000 torrents, we can see spikes as high as just over 3,000 descriptors when closing.
07:51 < ninjin> The issue as far as I can tell from behaviour (not code), is that Transmission opens at least one file descriptor per torrent to communicate with the tracker. This is madness to me, as from reading the tracker protocol this could very much be multiplexed to bring the number of descriptors needed down to be bounded by the number of trackers times two (IPv6).
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07:52 < ninjin> So, a sane guess at the number of file descriptors needed is somewhere akin to the number of active torrents times two plus 250 if you are running with the default settings.
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07:53 < ninjin> Also tried to get Unix socket RPC working as mischief was very helpful to test on their end where it works. No matter what I do, I end up with an immediate daemon crash after any connection with "[err] getnameinfo failed: Invalid argument" though and I am reluctant to go dig through the code again.
07:54 < ninjin> Thanks for all the help earlier, now I have a knob to turn and it runs (even if I would love to have a more sane piece of software running).
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08:46 < mischief> probably trackers are handled per torrent and not in a global pool
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08:48 < mischief> i started writing a torrent client from scratch a few weeks ago as an experiment so i read a fair bit from the specs and played with transmission
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08:50 < ninjin> Interesting, I added TLS support to btpd about a month back. But abandoned the idea after that as extending it to support v2 torrents was a bit much given how rickety racky the code was. I love the interface it has though. Plus, if I recall correctly, it has a single set of connections for trackers. ;)
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08:53 < ninjin> I think there is very much room for a CLI-based, minimal BitTorrent client along the lines of btpd and the sane parts of say transmission-remote. I would prefer to offload a lot to say awk by dumping the state as TSV though.
08:55 < mischief> if you're going full unix, just run one instance of the client per torrent like 9front's client does
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08:56 < ninjin> Agreed, but then we can not scale to thousands of torrents easily, no? I do agree that not have a sane ftp(1) like interface to most torrent clients is awful though.
08:58 < ninjin> Cheers for pointing out the 9front client. They tend to produce lovely code to read.
08:59 < mischief> i wouldn't call the torrent client lovely, but it does only handle one torrent at a time
09:00 < mischief> process per torrent probably scales to a few thousand but maybe not much farther, considering normal process and fd limits and such
09:01 < ninjin> Yeah, the question is as always what you want to support and where you draw the line in terms of complexity. Making one is a big undertaking though, but the more frustrated I get with the status quo...
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09:09 < mischief> after having written about 60% of a torrent client, i agree it's not easy, though not impossible
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10:05 < humm> c0co: don’t annoy the servers; run sfeed_update manually
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10:40 < c0co> manual is a non-starter for my usecase but I've reduced frequency substantially already anyway
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11:26 < t3rn4ry> So, I installed OpenBSD on my ThinkPad T400 a few weeks ago. It was going okay, but then a job came up that required Windows.
11:26 < t3rn4ry> I do not run Windows on any of my devices due to a galaxy of reasons, but i keep an old hard drive handy with Tiny10 that I can shove into a laptop when needed (a rare occurrence).
11:26 < t3rn4ry> Anyway, I noticed that somehow, Tiny10 actually ran considerably better than OpenBSD on this particular machine, despite also using a hard drive rather than an SSD.
11:26 < t3rn4ry> My OpenBSD setup uses bspwm, and my RAM usage is normally quite low unless vimb is open.
11:26 < t3rn4ry> Is there any way i could increase the performance of OpenBSD on my ThinkPad?
11:26 < t3rn4ry> Specifications
11:26 < t3rn4ry> * CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P8400
11:26 < t3rn4ry> * GPU : Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset
11:26 < t3rn4ry> * RAM: ~8GB
11:26 < t3rn4ry> * Disk: 240GB SATA SSD
11:26 < t3rn4ry> :::
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11:55 < mischief> what's 'better'
12:01 < t3rn4ry> generally faster. more responsive, applications started up faster, and websites loaded faster.
12:02 < sibiria> i wonder if, when running openbsd, you might've been locked at lowest CPU freq
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12:05 < t3rn4ry> that was the case initially, but i started running apm(8) with the -H argument and saw a small increase in performance. however, tiny10 still seemed to be faster.
12:07 < sibiria> suggest running obsdfreqd instead, or at least apmd -A when using battery
12:07 < sibiria> perhaps you could look into whether or not you are running with basic GPU acceleration
12:07 < sibiria> that makes a lot for the general experience
12:08 < sibiria> though it won't affect how fast an application starts up
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12:17 < t3rn4ry> okay. i'll give that a try once i get home.
12:17 < t3rn4ry> thanks!
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12:47 < miggyb> t3rn4ry: Might be worth benchmarking the raw read/write speeds of the SSD as well. Not sure if it could point to a degraded/failing SSD but at the very least it would give you a starting point. Using dd to write a file from /dev/zero and read to /dev/null would at least let you know what the max performance of some app starting or running could be
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12:48 < t3rn4ry> it shouldn't be failing, as it's only a couple of years old, but i'll look into it.
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15:58 < ssm_> some user (past my buffer now) recommended placing FETCH_PACKAGES=whatever (I used -Dsnap) in my mk.conf(5) to fetch packages with dpb, but that didn't actually seem to make any difference :(
15:58 < oldlaptop> retro-unix enthusiasts and/or other kinds of masochist may be interested in https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=175361440922214&w=2
15:59 < ssm_> cde for cwm? wowie /s
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15:59  * oldlaptop figures cwm would probably work okay-ish with it, with the appropriate hackery?
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19:33 < isydor> Hi, when launchin rcctl -d httpd I get usage: httpd [-dnv] [-D macro=value] [-f file]
19:33 < isydor> then doing _rc_rm_runfile followed by (failed)
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19:33 < isydor> running httpd -d gives a startup and server runs fine.
19:34 < quinq> isydor, you need a command after -d
19:34 < sibiria> rcctl start httpd
19:34 < isydor> sorry, thanks, that's what I do rcctl -d start httpd
19:35 < quinq> Did you modify the /etc/rc.d/httpd file?
19:36 < isydor> quinq: no
19:36 < isydor> At some point (first day with OpenBSD) I modified /etc/rc.conf then reverted
19:36 < quinq> What did you put in its flags?
19:37 < quinq> right
19:37 < quinq> Try rcctl get httpd flags
19:37 < isydor> /etc/rc.conf.local has only httpd_flags=YES
19:38 < isydor> quinq: got YES for your command
19:39 < quinq> Try emptying it
19:39 < quinq> Just httpd_flags=
19:39 < sibiria> it should b
19:39 < sibiria> wahat quinq said
19:39 < sibiria> NO to disable, nothing to enable
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19:41 < isydor> quinq & sibiria thank you!
19:41 < isydor> that works fine :)
19:41 < quinq> De nada :)
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