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00:51 < ule> Do you have any advice to run OpenBSD as home lab? I have a spare TP-Link that I might use to create some network segmentation to at least keep my home devices safe since I have plans to expose this OpenBSD to the web
00:52 < ule> The only thing is that I'm not sure I can trust this old tp-link lol
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01:11 < mischief> ule: i run openbsd as my home router itself, along with some VMs exposed to the web and some occasional use on my desktops/laptops
01:13 < mischief> i'm lazy and have a decent amount of trust in openbsd and what i expose to the web.. just a flat network, no managed switches or vlans
01:17 < pardis> if you don't trust your router and you have a computer somewhere else on the internet, you can forward traffic over wg(4) with your home computer as the "client" that makes an outbound connection
01:17 < pardis> then no port forwarding or router config is needed on the home router
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01:29 < ule> pardis: your message reminds me what I read a few minutes ago about Claudflre Tunnels running this "claudflared" to enable outbound connection
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01:37 < ule> Yeah, I want to read more about different options
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02:44 < ninjin> ule: You may want to describe a bit of what you have planned. If you want to run services at home, the 90s way would be to have that OpenBSD router and put your home network and network for services on different subnets (likely NAT-ed).
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02:49 < ninjin> Alternatively, you can do what mischief described and just run OpenBSD VMs on the router itself through vmd(8).
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03:12 < mischief> well, i don't run vmd on my router. it's far too slow :-)
03:13 < mischief> odroid-h2 is fine for pushing some packets around, but my vms run on either my ryzen 5600g 'server' or 7950x desktop
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03:24 < ninjin> Fair enough. I *think* my router could do it, but it is a Nuc 13, so it has a bit more power. It of course depends on what kind of service one is talking as well.
03:24 < ninjin> For services on my own network like httpd, etc. I just run them straight on the router and see no point in more isolation than what OpenBSD already offers.
03:30 < mischief> next project might be to retire the odroid-h2 and run my 'router' as an openbsd vm under kvm
03:31 < mischief> will have to see if it can run at line rate with all the vm overheads, but i think vio is getting pretty good these days
03:34 < Matt|home> o\
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04:21 < rtj> mischief: Yea I was going to try it when I found the recent mailing list post. This machine does not support it sadly. 
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04:44 < mischief> rtj: here's a nickel, kid. get yourself a better computer.
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07:57 < cs_0x6373> has someone some experience with ports of newer versions that break compatability with older versions?
07:57 < cs_0x6373> i just compiled ptpd with the latest version from github, as the version in ports is quite old
07:58 < cs_0x6373> it compiles fine (a few warnings where i would applies patches)
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07:59 < cs_0x6373> is there a recommended way other than announce it on the ports list and try to get the diff accepted?
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08:19 < rIMpossible> How can I backdrop a window or program in cwm(1) by command in ~/.xsession ?
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08:20 < zelest> backdrop?
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08:22 < rIMpossible> set an application, let's say xclock behind other windows? Not by keyboard (that works well), but by command.
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08:47 < kuzdra> rIMpossible: what's the key binding or function name? i see no mention of "backdrop" in man pages
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08:49 < armin> rIMpossible: I remember that some XScreensaver's have a --root option, that's the things in /usr/libexec/xscreensaver/* I believe
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08:59 < rIMpossible> kuzdra:            M-Down          Lower current window.
08:59 < rIMpossible>            M-Up            Raise current window.
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09:04 < kuzdra> rIMpossible: so that's an XLowerWindow call, <https://github.com/openbsd/xenocara/blob/master/app/cwm/client.c#L474>
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09:06 < kuzdra> some inspiration: https://askubuntu.com/a/688233
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09:12 < rIMpossible> kuzdra: thx
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17:38 < SylvesterInk> I'm having an issue connecting to an openbsd server via ssh.  I was able to connect just fine yesterday, but now I'm getting a Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) error.  I haven't changed any ssh settings on the server, and my only action yesterday was moving an sql database directory location.
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17:41 < c0co> have you tried connecting by explicitly specifying your key with ssh - .ssh/<key> user@<host>?
17:41 < c0co> ssh -i*
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17:42 < SylvesterInk> not yet, I'll give it a try
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17:43 < SylvesterInk> same issue
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17:44 < SylvesterInk> I had a buddy check if he could log in on his account and he has the same issue
17:44 < c0co> did you do any pf config or maybe sshguard 
17:44 < SylvesterInk> also, when I try to connect using the host's provided terminal, it doesn't give me access
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17:44 < c0co> uhhhh
17:44 < SylvesterInk> no changes to pf, and I'm not using sshguard
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17:45 < c0co> what happens when you try to access via the host's console?
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17:47 < SylvesterInk> I'm using Linode.  Weblish is gives me the standard boot up information, says it's starting all daemons (network, package, and local) and ends with the date, but it doesn't allow me to enter commands.  Glish just ends with "switching console to com0" and doesn't respond
17:48 < SylvesterInk> I believe the server is running, since I can access the website it's serving just fine
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17:51 < c0co> so no login prompt?
17:51 < SylvesterInk> correct
17:52 < Lucas_> SylvesterInk: do mind that sshd has a builtin blocking system enabled by default since the last 2 releases or so
17:53 < Lucas_> the block duration should be short nevertheless
17:53 < SylvesterInk> Well, the login failed right from my first attempt, and I'm using an ssh key
17:54 < Lucas_> not a single block reason sets a penalty of more than 10min tho
17:54 < Lucas_> can you share the output of `ssh -vv yourserver`?
17:54 < SylvesterInk> Also, the thing that called my attention to there being an issue is that I was unable to access the emails for that server this morning
17:56 < Bradipo> Lucas_: What feature is that?
17:56 < c0co> very verbose
17:57 < Bradipo> It's more likely that SylvesterInk's machine has been compromised by his hosting provider.
17:57 < Lucas_> Bradipo: search PerSource in sshd_config
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17:57  * Bradipo wonders how he missed the PerSourcePenalties addition going in.
17:58 < Lucas_> yes, super likely. ISPs compromises users servers all the time.
17:58 < SylvesterInk> Bradipo: Shouldn't have been.  I rebooted the server to check.  I also booted to rescue and looked at the sshd config, as well as ensured my key was still authorized
17:59 < Lucas_> in fact, the ISP is a facade. They real service they provide is CaaS, Compromises-as-a-Service, a service geared towards 3, 5, 7, and 14 eyes nations, and 3 letter agencies of 2 or 3 letter countries
17:59 < Bradipo> Lucas_: Absolutely, when they try to impose their idea of what your server should be, that's a compromise. :-)
17:59 < SylvesterInk> (I'm reviewing the ssh -vv output.  There's a lot there, and I probably shouldn't past most of it)
17:59 < Lucas_> most of it is fine
17:59 < Bradipo> They probably the state of his VM to something unexpected.  Compromise.
17:59 < Lucas_> it doesn't log any secret information
18:00 < Bradipo> I doubt ssh -vv information will be of use.
18:00 < Lucas_> but in general it's more damage what we do cleaning it up than getting the raw information
18:00 < Bradipo> You need to get onto the console and figure out what state your system is in.
18:00 < Lucas_> so please, do not share it if you're going to redact what _you_ consider is worth redacting
18:00 < Bradipo> If you cannot get in with known credentials, then the obvious conclusion is that they have changed.
18:01 < Lucas_> or the ssh-auth deamon died
18:01 < Bradipo> Or something has changed the sshd_config from what it was prior (assuming you were really able to login remotely via SSH yesterday).
18:01 < Lucas_> or disk corruption
18:01 < Lucas_> or many other things
18:01 < Lucas_> in 99% of the cases, the ISP did not compromise the user
18:01 < SylvesterInk> I have another server running openbsd with very similar settings, and the sshd conf is identical
18:02 < SylvesterInk> (even after this issue)
18:02 < SylvesterInk> that one works find
18:02 < Bradipo> Well, you need to get onto the one that isn't working.
18:02 < Bradipo> Console is your best bet.
18:02 < Bradipo> If you cannot get into the console, then all bets are off.
18:02 < Bradipo> You could boot into single-user mode and see what things look like.
18:03 < SylvesterInk> how would I boot into single user mode?
18:04 < Bradipo> Type: boot -s
18:04 < Bradipo> At the boot> prompt.
18:04 < Bradipo> And you should treat this system as if it has been compromised until proven otherwise.
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18:04 < Bradipo> Perhaps you made a mistake in a change to the configuration.  Maybe you have a bad memory of this change?
18:05 < SylvesterInk> I don't believe I have access to the boot prompt, but I'm checking
18:05 < Bradipo> How do you install the VM then?
18:06 < Bradipo> Or is it hardware?
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18:06 < SylvesterInk> This is running on Linode, which doesn't have direct support for BSD (just linux distros).  I had to do a specific configuration setup to install it in the first place
18:06 < SylvesterInk> https://text.causal.agency/027-openbsd-linode.txt
18:07 < SylvesterInk> that's the guide I used
18:07 < SylvesterInk> I set this up nearly a year ago and had no issues since
18:08 < Bradipo> You need to figure out how to get access to the console.
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18:09 < Bradipo> The guide mentions something about LISH.
18:09 < Bradipo> You should be able to use that to get access to the console.
18:09 < SylvesterInk> yes, that's what I've been attempting to do, but it isn't responding
18:10 < SylvesterInk> there's a lot of info in the ssh -vv output, is it okay if I just paste the tail end?  (Otherwise I'd be spamming the channel with over 100 lines)
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18:11 < Bradipo> You can paste it in a paste bin.
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Offering public key: /home/sylvester/.ssh/id_rsa RSA SHA256:3pPERKaXnzZlsY6oTB4DdTUKqtJ8YiVFEMVcjHijbrE agent
18:11 < Lucas_> no. Use a paste service, input all the data.
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Trying private key: /home/sylvester/.ssh/id_ecdsa
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Trying private key: /home/sylvester/.ssh/id_ecdsa_sk
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Trying private key: /home/sylvester/.ssh/id_ed25519
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Trying private key: /home/sylvester/.ssh/id_ed25519_sk
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Trying private key: /home/sylvester/.ssh/id_xmss
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
18:11 < Bradipo> lol
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug2: userauth_kbdint
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug2: we sent a keyboard-interactive packet, wait for reply
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
18:11 < SylvesterInk> debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
18:11 < SylvesterInk> lp_admin@acclapuente.org: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
18:11 < Lucas_> it's kinda pointless to ask a question...
18:11 < SylvesterInk> lol sorry, I saw your response the instant I hit enter
18:12 < Bradipo> Paste the entire output in a paste site.
18:12 < Bradipo> That will be more useful.
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18:15 < Bradipo> Did you try entering a password since your key is being rejected?
18:15 < SylvesterInk> password verification is disabled, only keys are accepted
18:15 < SylvesterInk> ssh root login also rejected, obviously
18:15 < Bradipo> It does allow keyboard-interactive apparently.
18:16 < Bradipo> Or maybe that was also rejected.
18:16 < uwharrie> looks like someone has modified your sshd_config
18:16 < Bradipo> You'll need to get onto the console.
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18:17 < SylvesterInk> Sorry for the delay, I just got a notification from the server, it seems like cpu usage is up
18:17 < Bradipo> What services are you running on this that are exposed to the Internet?  Obviously SSH.
18:17 < SylvesterInk> but it only happened since I started dealing with this issue, so I don't believe it's compromised, more likely some issue that's also preventing login
18:17 < Bradipo> Sure, could be exhausted.
18:18 < Bradipo> Maybe you ran it out of memory or file descriptors or something.
18:18 < Bradipo> But then a reboot should clear those conditions... have you rebooted it?
18:18 < SylvesterInk> Services running are: httpd (website), smtpd, sndiod
18:19 < Lucas_> can we get the paste?
18:19 < Bradipo> Lucas_: When the PerSourcePenalties are imposed, does ssh -vv output provide hints?
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18:26 < Lucas_> Bradipo: idk
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18:27 < SylvesterInk> https://pastebin.com/G0DKTDAV
18:27 < SylvesterInk> that's the output of ssh -vv
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18:31 < SylvesterInk> Bradipo: Yes, I did reboot it
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18:33 < SylvesterInk> The issue I was dealing with before is that /var was running out of space due to a mysql database getting too large, hence why I moved the database to a different partition.  As of last night (and earlier when I did a rescue boot and mounted the partitions to check), I still have 180mb free on /var
18:33 < SylvesterInk> I have run out of space on /var before, but that never caused an issue with ssh or the lish console
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18:38 < Bradipo> Haha, one would think that /var being full wouldn't cause issues with LISH.
18:38 < Bradipo> Especially if it's just a virtual KVM.
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18:38 < SylvesterInk> Yeah, I don't think that's related, especially since /var is fine right now
18:38 < Bradipo> So, when you reboot the system, do you see the boot> prompt ?
18:39 < Bradipo> I'm not sure how you know that /var is "fine right now" since you cannot login. :-)
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18:39 < SylvesterInk> I know /var is fine because I did a "rescue boot."  That boots to a Linux instance with access to the virtual drive.  I mounted the drive and checked the usage
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18:40 < SylvesterInk> That's how I was able to verify that sshd.conf is unchanged, and that my ssh key is still authorized
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18:41 < Bradipo> You really mean sshd_config, yeah?
18:41 < SylvesterInk> yeah my bad
18:41 < Bradipo> Just checking.
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18:42 < SylvesterInk> I don't have a boot> prompt, but I just found the option to boot in single user mode
18:42 < SylvesterInk> trying that now
18:43 < Bradipo> "the option" ?
18:43 < Bradipo> The proper way to boot into single-user mode in OpenBSD is to type "boot -s" at the "boot> " prompt.
18:43 < SylvesterInk> In Linode, you create boot configurations.  I have one for installation and one for standard boot
18:44 < Bradipo> Ok.
18:44 < SylvesterInk> I changed the standard boot configuration to single user mode.  I believe that passes -s to boot
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18:44 < SylvesterInk> I assume you looked at the paste?
18:45 < Bradipo> I did.  Doesn't show anything to me.  Maybe Lucas_ will be able to divine more out of it.
18:46 < Bradipo> The truth will be found on the console (in my opinion).
18:46 < Bradipo> The only thing that I see is: debug1: Authenticating to server:22 as 'ruser'
18:47 < Bradipo> I assume you massaged it.
18:47 < SylvesterInk> yeah that boot configuration didn't work.  It's probably for linux rather than bsd
18:47 < SylvesterInk> yes I did :P
18:47 < Bradipo> Well, you already said that the Linode doesn't support OpenBSD... it would have been amazing for a "single-user boot option" to work with it.
18:47 < SylvesterInk> sorry, gotta be private and all :D
18:48 < Bradipo> If you wanted it to be private, you shouldn't have pasted it into this chat: lp_admin@acclapuente.org: Permission denied
18:48 < SylvesterInk> bother.
18:48 < Bradipo> lol
18:48 < Bradipo> At any rate, nobody cares about that here likely.
18:49 < Bradipo> When you power off the VM, and power on, do you never see the boot> prompt in LISH?
18:49 < SylvesterInk> it's just a church website anyway
18:49 < SylvesterInk> no I don't.  I'm looking right now to see if I can get that prompt
18:49 < Bradipo> Also, I hope you're using something newer than the OpenBSD 6.9 that the guide that you followed has documented.
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18:50 < SylvesterInk> i'm upgraded to the latest
18:50 < Bradipo> Ok.
18:50 < SylvesterInk> as of may I believe
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18:57 < Lucas_> SylvesterInk: there is a line that I don't like there
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18:57 < Lucas_> debug2: ssh_krl_from_blob: bad KRL magic header
18:58 < sonya> "debug1: OpenSSH_10.0p2, OpenSSL 3.4.1 11 Feb 2025" - i'd say that server is not OpenBSD..
18:58 < Lucas_> that too
18:58 < Lucas_> ty sonya
19:02 < SylvesterInk> wait how is ot not openbsd?
19:02 < SylvesterInk> I believe that line is for my own computer, which is running linux
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19:03 < Bradipo> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_10.0
19:04 < Bradipo> That seems to match what I would expect from a remote system running OpenBSD.
19:04 < sonya> my fault.. LibreSSL expected..
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19:05 < Bradipo> SylvesterInk: Has your Linux system decided that certain public key algorithms are not allowed or something?
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19:05 < sonya> i.e. ^^ i'd try to connect from OpenBSD..
19:06 < Lucas_> SylvesterInk: what do you have in those 9999-gentoo.conf files?
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19:06 < Lucas_> sorry, those are locals
19:07 < Bradipo> They are locals, but they could change things that make it not possible to login.
19:08 < Bradipo> We don't know what is enabled on sshd_config on the server.
19:08 < SylvesterInk> Bradipo: Nothing has changed on my end since last night (when ssh was working)
19:09 < Bradipo> What about your Linux system?  Has it changed?
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19:09 < SylvesterInk> It has not changed, and I can ssh into my other OpenBSD server just fine
19:10 < Bradipo> Ok, well, focus should continue to be on getting into the OS via console.
19:11 < SylvesterInk> I just called Linode support to see if they can see anything
19:11 < Bradipo> Could put the output of "ssh -Q PubkeyAcceptedAlgorithms" in a new paste site?
19:11 < SylvesterInk> They suggest I might be out of RAM
19:11 < Bradipo> Being out of RAM is irrelevant to the boot> prompt.
19:11 < Bradipo> When you power it off and power it back on, there will be no RAM problems and you *should* see the boot> prompt.
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19:13 < sonya> though this is usually for hw-keys (like Yubi), but i'd looked at configs:  "debug1: Authenticator provider $SSH_SK_PROVIDER did not resolve; disabling"  ... as if follows in the end with : "ruser@server: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)."
19:14 < Lucas_> I'm with Linode here. Being out of memory (or processes) means you can't fork to create the OpenSSH program that handles authentication (that was separated from the main sshd recently).
19:14 < Bradipo> Also, booting a Linux rescue system and mounting the OpenBSD partition should be done with caution.  I don't know how good the support for FFS2 is in Linux. :-)
19:14 < thrig> OpenBSD lacks the charming OOM killer (and anyways the OOM killer was eventually adjusted to not kill sshd)
19:14 < Bradipo> If all you're running is httpd, sndiod, and sshd, I don't see how you could be runnign into RAM issues.
19:14 < sonya> and OpenSSL 3.4 client vs , say, 1.0.1 in LibreSSL..
19:14 < Lucas_> SylvesterInk: do you remember if your /etc/boot.conf have something?
19:15 < sibiria> "let's solve memory hiccups with this thing" -> "let's solve this thing by making exceptions to what it was designed"
19:15 < Lucas_> sonya: LibreSSL has mixtures of 1.1.0 and 3.0.0
19:15 < sibiria> those linux kernel devs, sheesh
19:16 < sonya> o'k.. will thinks a bit later.. thanks..
19:16 < Bradipo> Step 8 says: Boot the install configuration, launch the LISH console and switcto Glish.
19:16 < sonya> ^think..
19:16 < Bradipo> SylvesterInk: Do you need to switch to Glish?
19:16 < sibiria> then do a pirouette and soft-bootstrap the Glosh using BoSH
19:16 < sibiria> also fill up the gas tank of dracut
19:17 < SylvesterInk> Lucas_: I haven't changed boot.conf, but I can check if need be
19:17 < Bradipo> sibiria: lol, indeed.
19:17 < SylvesterInk> Bradipo: Neither Glish or Weblish seem to work
19:17 < Bradipo> It does say later that regular LISH should work.
19:18 < SylvesterInk> yea, I'm logging into my other servver with lish right now to confirm
19:18 < Bradipo> Fair test.
19:20 < SylvesterInk> okay, so Lish does NOT work on either openbsd server
19:21 < SylvesterInk> it does work on my 2 other Linux servers just fine
19:21 < Bradipo> Did you configure your OpenBSD systems to use serial as the guide suggested might be possible?
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19:21 < Bradipo> What's in /etc/boot.conf on your system?
19:22 < SylvesterInk> /etc/boot.conf: stty com0 9600; set tty com0;
19:22 < SylvesterInk> I believe its' the same on the server with issues, but I'd have to check
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19:23 < Bradipo> SylvesterInk: So you need to find the documentation for how to attach to the serial console?
19:24 < SylvesterInk> Let me get back to you, on the phone with a Linode tech.  He's checking the issue with Lish right now
19:24 < Bradipo> Well, there may not be an issue with LISH.
19:24 < Lucas_> SylvesterInk: try removing those files first
19:25 < Lucas_> /etc/boot.conf, I mean
19:25 < Bradipo> If you configured OpenBSD to do serial, then you should be using their serial interface.
19:25 < Bradipo> Or remove /etc/boot.conf like Lucas_ says.
19:25 < Lucas_> if that doesn't work, then add them back, but changing 9600 to 115200
19:25 < Bradipo> Also, that only enables boot> on the serial... you would also need /etc/ttys to bring up a login.
19:26 < Bradipo> Might be better to just mv /etc/boot.conf /etc/boot.conf.gone
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19:31 < SylvesterInk> Do I need to reboot after changing the boot.conf?
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19:33 < Bradipo> Well, presumably you're using your Linux "rescue" option, right?
19:33 < Bradipo> If this is the case, you're not even booted into OpenBSD.
19:33 < Bradipo> So you need to boot back up to OpenBSD.
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19:36 < Lucas_> SylvesterInk: yes, those changes aren't picked on-the-fly
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19:38 < SylvesterInk> Bradipo: I've removed the boot.conf on the other OpenBSD server that I'm running and rebooted it.  I am able to get Lish access now
19:39 < SylvesterInk> I am switching back to the OpenBSD server with issues and will get rid of the boot.conf, which should give me Lish access
19:39 < Bradipo> Making progress I think.
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19:39 < SylvesterInk> yeah, I should at least see what's going on once I reboot
19:40 < Lucas_> I don't believe you'll have issues afterwards
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19:41 < Lucas_> especially if it's a memory issue
19:43 < SylvesterInk> how do I mount a bsd partition as read write on linux?
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19:46 < SylvesterInk> or is it better to do it from the OpenBSD install shell?
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19:53 < Lucas_> SylvesterInk: the latter is going to be easier. In any case, I don't think you actually need any of those.
19:53 < Lucas_> reboot, try to connect over SSH
19:53 < Lucas_> I'm quite sure it's going to work
19:54 < SylvesterInk> well, I need to remove the boot.conf first, and that's on an OpenBSD partition that I can't access on a normal boot
19:57 < SylvesterInk> when I try to mount on linux using `mount -t ufs -o rw,ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sdb4 /mnt` I get warning: source write protected, mounted read only
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19:58 < nedko> SylvesterInk: there is CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE
19:58 < nedko> you probably have it disabledd
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20:00 < SylvesterInk> nedko: how do I enable it?
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20:00 < nedko> SylvesterInk: it is an option of linux kernel, depends on how you install the kernel. you will probably have to rebuild the linux kernel
20:01 < Bradipo> SylvesterInk: Can you attach another drive to your VM and boot that from install77.img ?
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20:01 < Bradipo> Then you'll be in the OpenBSD installer shell and can mount your OpenBSD VM partition.
20:01 < Bradipo> Bothering with Linux is just a distraction in my opinion. :-)
20:01 < nedko> :)
20:01 < SylvesterInk> okay, I'm rebooting to the openbsd installer
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20:01 < Bradipo> Yeah, that should be fine.
20:02 < Bradipo> You just need to boot to the installer, mount the root partition, and get rid of /etc/boot.conf.
20:02 < SylvesterInk> how do I mount the root partition though?
20:02 < SylvesterInk> I had issue doing that before, which is why I went to linux
20:02 < etwas> shouldn't "set tty fb0" in boot prompt redirect output to console?
20:03 < Bradipo> etwas: He apparently cannot even see the boot> prompt.
20:03 < Bradipo> Maybe LISH is just too slow and it's timing out and automatically booting.
20:03 < SylvesterInk> okay I'm in the install shell
20:03 < Bradipo> sysctl hw.disknames
20:03 < Bradipo> That should give you some disks.
20:04 < SylvesterInk> I see wd0, wd1, and rd0
20:04 < Bradipo> Interesting.
20:04 < Bradipo> disklabel will show you the details on each of those.
20:04 < Bradipo> disklabel wd0; disklabel wd1
20:04 < Bradipo> One of them should have a partition that's the root partition.
20:04 < Bradipo> Probably wd1.
20:06 < SylvesterInk> /dev/rwd1 no such file or directory (when I do `disklabel wd1`)
20:06 < Bradipo> Yeah, you'll have to create it.
20:06 < Bradipo> cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV wd1
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20:07 < SylvesterInk> that did it, I can see all the partitions on wd0
20:08 < Bradipo> So mount / (probably wd0a) somewhere in the installer ramdisk.
20:08 < Bradipo> e.g. mount /dev/wd0a /mnt
20:08 < Bradipo> And now /mnt will be your root filesystem.
20:09 < Bradipo> You can just mv /mnt/etc/boot.conf /mnt/etc/boot.conf.gone
20:09 < Bradipo> Or rm if you don't care.
20:09 < SylvesterInk> done
20:10 < SylvesterInk> rebooting
20:10 < Bradipo> Now unmount using umount /mnt
20:10 < Bradipo> And reboot
20:10 < SylvesterInk> ah right, unmounting
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20:13 < SylvesterInk> hoorah
20:13 < SylvesterInk> got root access in lish
20:13 < Bradipo> Ok, does SSH work, or is it still in a bad state?
20:14 < Bradipo> Before you make further changes, would be interesting to know.
20:14 < SylvesterInk> still in a bad state
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20:16 < Lucas_> check /var/log/authlog. Failures are logged there.
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20:17 < SylvesterInk> "connection closed by authenticating user "
20:18 < Lucas_> there are more lines
20:18 < SylvesterInk> not that I can see
20:19 < Lucas_> if you'd know where to see for the issue, you probably wouldn't be asking for help here ;)
20:19 < Lucas_> share the log
20:19 < SylvesterInk> just /var/log/authlog?
20:19 < Bradipo> Be careful typing passwords on your OpenBSD system until you're certain it hasn't been compromised. :-)
20:19 < Lucas_> yes
20:20 < sibiria> spray with bug spray, burn, eject through window, reinstall
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20:21 < SylvesterInk> now I need to figure out how to get a copy of this file :P
20:21 < Lucas_> sfrtp
20:21 < Lucas_> sftp
20:21 < Bradipo> There are paste sites that you can use with curl (if you have curl installed).
20:22 < Lucas_> or, doas cp /var/log/authlog /tmp/whatever; doas chown $(id -u) /tmp/whatever and then fetch it
20:22 < Bradipo> You could put the file somewhere under /var/www/
20:22 < Bradipo> Since you said httpd is running.
20:23 < SylvesterInk> I thought of that but my cms blocks that kind of thing
20:23 < Bradipo> Are you running httpd(8)? 
20:23 < SylvesterInk> I'm running httpd, with drupal under that
20:24 < SylvesterInk> so accessing files needs to go through drupal
20:24 < Bradipo> Why?
20:24 < Bradipo> httpd(8) is perfectly capable of serving files.
20:24 < SylvesterInk> wouldn't i need to reconfigure my httpd?
20:24 < Bradipo> Maybe...
20:24 < sibiria> so is nc. listen, connect, send
20:25 < Bradipo> nc is also great for this.
20:25 < Lucas_> or really, use sftp
20:25 < Bradipo> Or that.
20:26 < SylvesterInk> will that work, even though ssh doesn't work?
20:26 < Bradipo> but with nc it's as simple as: cat /var/log/autlog | nc -l 1234
20:26 < Bradipo> And then you just telnet to port 1234 and it will dump the file.
20:26 < sibiria> ns -l 12345 > thefile.txt
20:26 < sibiria> nc*
20:26 < sibiria> then nc blah < thefile on the other end
20:27 < Bradipo> Or use nc as siberia said.
20:28 < Bradipo> Either way works.
20:28 < Bradipo> Of course, nc is unencrypted.
20:28 < SylvesterInk> sftp doesn't connect, same error as ssh
20:28  * Bradipo wonders what happened to sprunge.us
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20:29 < sibiria> nc can do TLS even as the listener, at least the openbsd flavor
20:29 < sibiria> less certain about linux
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20:29 < sibiria> though many of them package the openbsd flavor of nc iirc
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20:30 < Bradipo> Who needs TLS... just do: cat /var/log/authlog | openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -e -pbkdf2 | nc -l 12345
20:30 < sibiria> i suppose nothing really sensitive in that file anyway. i'd just sling it across unencrypted
20:30 < Bradipo> Yeah.
20:30 < SylvesterInk> bah, nc not installed locally
20:31 < Bradipo> How could nc not be installed???  It's in base.
20:31 < Bradipo> Oh, you mean it's not on your fancy Linux?
20:31 < SylvesterInk> I'm running linux locally
20:31 < Bradipo> Right.
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20:31 < Bradipo> curl or wget might suffice, lol.
20:32 < SylvesterInk> I'll install netcat, it's more manly
20:32 < SylvesterInk> since I'm gentoo, ooh boy, time to compile
20:32 < sibiria> high propeller hat factor
20:35 < SylvesterInk> well, I sent it via nc, doesn't seem like I received it though
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20:37 < Bradipo> What did you do specifically?
20:37 < Bradipo> "sent via nc" is pretty vague.
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20:38 < SylvesterInk> `nc -l 5555 > authlog` on my home computer
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20:38 < SylvesterInk> `nc myipaddress 5555 < authlog` on host
20:38 < SylvesterInk> port forwarding is enabled in router
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20:38 < Bradipo> And there is now a file on  your system called authlog ?
20:39 < SylvesterInk> well, nc on my computer didn't end automatically, and the authlog file is empty
20:39 < Bradipo> Can you connect to port 5555 using telnet?
20:39 < Bradipo> From OpenBSD.
20:39 < Bradipo> e.g. telnet myipaddress 5555
20:39 < Bradipo> See if it connects.  Then send "HELLO WORLD"
20:39 < Bradipo> See if you receive that.
20:39 < SylvesterInk> connection refused
20:40 < SylvesterInk> nc isn't listening though, let me run it again
20:40 < Bradipo> Right, have it listen first.
20:40 < SylvesterInk> still no
20:40 < Bradipo> Connection refused?
20:40 < SylvesterInk> yea
20:40 < Bradipo> Yeah, your firewall is blocking it probably.
20:40 < sibiria> then your firewall isn't letting that through
20:40 < Bradipo> Can you do it the opposite direction?
20:40 < Bradipo> On OpenBSD: nc -l 5555
20:41 < Bradipo> Then from myipaddress telnet to openbsd on port 5555
20:41 < SylvesterInk> doubt it, pf is filtering everything
20:41 < SylvesterInk> wait, maybe pf is filtering outgoing
20:41 < Bradipo> Well, it would be wise to filter incoming. :-)
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20:42 < SylvesterInk> block all; pass out inet; pass out inet6
20:42 < SylvesterInk> so all outgoing should be fine
20:44 < SylvesterInk> wait...
20:44 < SylvesterInk> has my pf.conf changed...
20:44 < SylvesterInk> okay no, it's fine
20:48 < SylvesterInk> I figured out the issue!
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20:50 < SylvesterInk> Okay, the cause of the problem was that last night, when I was moving the database, I had moved the folder to /home.  This process changed the user:group and permissions of /home (I had made a typo when copying)
20:51 < Bradipo> Oops.
20:51 < SylvesterInk> I reverted the permissions and was able to log in with ssh again
20:51 < Bradipo> And sshd won't honor SSH keys when permissions are wrong.
20:51 < SylvesterInk> checking email now
20:51 < Bradipo> In otherwords, when I asked earlier if you had forgotten some change, you didn't remember this one. :-)
20:52 < SylvesterInk> yes, because I didn't realize perms had changed
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20:53 < SylvesterInk> And also, that Lish thing was another issue that was unrelated
20:53 < Bradipo> Right.
20:53 < Bradipo> That's because you never verified that you had a working system after you installed it a year ago. ;-)(
20:54 < SylvesterInk> No, it was actually working until pretty recently, since I had used it around the time I upgraded to openbsd 7.7
20:55 < SylvesterInk> Either way, thanks to everyone that's been helping out the past several hours, I appreciate you all
20:56 < SylvesterInk> It's typical, the issues that take me the longest to fix always end up being the simplest mistakes.  Ah well, now I know for future use.
20:58 < Bradipo> SylvesterInk: You're saying that you only recently created /etc/boot.conf ?
20:58 < SylvesterInk> no, I created that boot.conf when I first installed.  But it didn't cause issues until recently
20:58 < Bradipo> Precisely.
20:58 < Bradipo> So you didn't verify the system was working a year ago. :-)
20:58 < Bradipo> Working means that you have console access.
20:58 < SylvesterInk> I verified Lish was working
20:59 < SylvesterInk> if that's what you mean
20:59 < Bradipo> Well, it wasn't working *after* you put /etc/boot.conf
20:59 < SylvesterInk> no, it was
20:59 < Bradipo> I don't see how.
20:59 < Bradipo> It wasn't working today with /etc/boot.conf in place.
21:00 < Bradipo> It didn't start working today until *after* you deleted /etc/boot.conf
21:00 < SylvesterInk> If Linode changed the lish configuration recently, so that my boot.conf was incompatible, that might be the cause
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21:00 < Bradipo> I doubt Linode bothers with /etc/boot.conf... they don't even support OpenBSD.
21:01 < Bradipo> At any rate, if you preserved the file you could check the timestamp... ls -l /etc/boot.conf.gone (or whatever).
21:01 < Bradipo> But this was instructive I hope.
21:02 < Bradipo> Simplest explanation won out... you broke it. :-)
21:02 < SylvesterInk> Pretty sure I didn't but whatever.  It was broken and needed to be fixed, and it was
21:03 < SylvesterInk> Either way, as a new openbsd user, it was a good learning experience, and I'm glad it wasn't at a time that was more hectic
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21:12 < Bradipo> SylvesterInk: Next topic... do you have backups?
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21:16 < SylvesterInk> Bradipo: That I'm setting up, since Linode's backup service doesn't work with openbsd
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21:17 < lain`> backups are important, or something
21:17 < SylvesterInk> The plan is to back up /etc, /var, and /home to a tgz and push it to object storage at a regular interval.  I know openbsd uses altroot for backups, but I still need to learn how to use it
21:18 < SylvesterInk> I wanted to set up backups from day 1, but we were on a time crunch to get other work done by may.  Poor excuse, but I'm one man with far too many jobs it seems
21:19 < Bradipo> altroot may not be what you think it is.
21:19 < lain`> oh huh. i just backup the running system with restic and hope its good enough
21:22 < lain`> hope is, of course, the most important part of a good backup strategy
21:22 < lain`>  /s
21:23 < SylvesterInk> wisdom.
21:23 < SylvesterInk> Bradipo: is dump ideal for backups?
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21:26 < Bradipo> dump can be ideal.  Depends on your needs.
21:26 < Bradipo> dump is in base, so that's a plus.
21:26 < SylvesterInk> okay, I'll have to read up on it. 
21:27 < Bradipo> How often does the data change?
21:28 < SylvesterInk> overall config is pretty static, database changes maybe twice a week.  
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21:28 < Bradipo> A monthly cronjob that dumps and compresses the dump might be sufficient then.
21:28 < Bradipo> Where would you store it?
21:29 < Bradipo> Some "online" place that you only have access to as long as everything is working "just right"? :-)
21:29 < SylvesterInk> I have object storage for the server
21:29 < Bradipo> "object storage"... lol.
21:29 < SylvesterInk> I'm thinking of uploading it there
21:29 < Bradipo> So that's someone else's computer?
21:29 < SylvesterInk> yep
21:29 < SylvesterInk> oh, I'll certainly keep copies locally
21:30 < Bradipo> Nothing beats physical control.
21:30 < SylvesterInk> but probably not frequently
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21:30 < Bradipo> As you observed trying to recover your OpenBSD system today. :-)
21:30 < Bradipo> Without physical control, your system was effectively a brick.
21:30 < Bradipo> Yeah, doesn't have to be frequent, just enough that in a disaster you have the data.
21:31 < SylvesterInk> I agree, but frequency is also important, and if it's automated, and if I'm paying for object storage.. . might as well use it
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21:34 < lain`> Bradipo: best to store it in multiple places imo. someone else's computer can be useful too, although its better if it's not the _only_ place you're backing up to obv
21:36 < Bradipo> Right, multiple places, ideal.
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