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01:03 < dzwdz> how are you supposed to set up pair interfaces "for real"? i can't find any tips about it in pair(4), hostname.if(5), or netstart(8)
01:03 < dzwdz> obviously setting up the hostname.if files for them is simple enough, but i don't know where i should patch them together
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01:06 < dzwdz> ah, i see, netstart creates all the interfaces up front, so i can put the patch command in whichever hostname.if file i want
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01:15 < dlg> have you considered rport?
01:15 < dlg> anyway, i think you just need "patch pairX" in one of the hostname.pairXY files
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02:39 < dzwdz> oh, i didn't know rport was a thing, i'll try it out tommorow
02:39 < dzwdz> thanks
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06:28 < echelon> hi, does openbsd support any zwave devices?
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09:47 < c0co> Praise the blowfish
09:48 < c0co> is there / are there any official obsd rss feeds?
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09:51 < kuzdra> c0co: i doubt it. but there is the announce@openbsd.org list. and some unassociated websites that may have feeds: undeadly.org and bsdweekly.com come to mind
09:53 < c0co> yeah already on 'em but thanks
09:54 < c0co> I couldn't find an official feed and figured there wasn't, but always worth a double check just incase I'm overlooking the obvious
09:55 < sonya> not official, but works here.. https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=rss
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11:19 < c0co> what's the most correct approach to solving this issue? Scenario: device is connected to a vpn over local wifi. Device is transported from one location to another, losing the original wifi connection. Want to automatically refresh to establish connection with new location's wifi (creds already prepared in /etc/hostname.<if>) and then automatically reestablish the vpn connection afterward
11:20 < c0co> (assume openvpn)
11:26 < sibiria> openvpn has keepalive settings for maintaining/resuming a broken connection
11:28 < sibiria> if you can group those two wifi APs up into one essid, that also helps a bit
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11:36 < c0co> i guess if i do something like openvpn <file>.opvn --daemon --keep-alive 10 30 that should handle that end, though I find that I usually have to run netstart every time I want to reconnect to a new wifi. Not sure if intended behaviour/by design or not
11:37 < sibiria> for connecting to a new access point, yes. ESSIDs are supposed to somewhat help with that
11:40 < c0co> cool thanks sibiria
11:41 < sibiria> that is, give them the same SSID and you should be able to roam better within their joined space
11:43 < c0co> Not sure I want to do that (talking about a home network DMZ vs a workplace guest wifi), and hitting netstart isn't some big inconvenience either. Will see how it goes with openvpn --keepalive to begin with
11:44 < sibiria> if they really are two distinct networks then no, don't group those up
11:44 < c0co> yeah
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12:47 < ssm_> is there a way to force unmount an nfs mount? umount -f just hangs and times out eventually and ultimately achieves nothing
12:47 < ssm_> mount in question is a tcp mount over wg(4)
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13:20 < vortexx> ssm_: the usual answer for that is reboot unfortunately
13:21 < vortexx> it *should* work but that usually nahngs
13:21 < vortexx> s/nahngs/hangs
13:22 < ssm_> could hiberating work? actually I'll just try it
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14:41 < sonya> imo, hibernate with unmounted nfs or with 'nahged' nfs is unpredictable, but could result in ddb.. it's also true (here) with samba shares..
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14:44 < lts> Maybe with nfsv5 or v6 we don't have to suffer from that anymore
14:44 < sonya> ssm_: here's my attempt to unmount/disable nfs: https://termbin.com/oht4
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16:27 < Bradipo> anthk_: http://man.openbsd.org/hostname.if
16:27 < Bradipo> What does the man page say about it?
16:29 < anthk_> then I was right
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22:07 < adig> Any recent changes in relayd/httpd? I have a Wordpress web site suddenly giving 404s.
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22:10 < sibiria> not since 7.7-release. if you're running snapshots you have to be prepared for surprises
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22:15 < adig> What happend in 7.7?
22:15 < adig> I'm not running snapshots.
22:15 < Bradipo> adig: https://www.openbsd.org/plus77.html
22:15 < sibiria> nothing particular happened with relayd or httpd afaik
22:15 < Bradipo> Also, I think siberia's comment is just a general observation.
22:16 < Bradipo> "if you run snapshot be prepared".
22:17 < adig> Well... at some point php 7 got removed, could be related to that.
22:17 < adig> thanks Bradipo
22:17 < uwharrie> do you mean that you migrated from 7.6 to 7.7 and now things don't work post-upgrade?
22:18 < sibiria> php 7 was obsoleted long ago
22:18 < adig> I did big update six months ago.
22:19 < adig> I have no idea for how long the web site didn't work.
22:19 < adig> I think I checked it at that point.
22:19 < adig> So I jumped a lot of versions.
22:20 < adig> It was running fine on PHP 7.
22:20 < uwharrie> I wouldn't leave a wordpress install at home alone that long
22:20 < sibiria> it's a bit of a jump from 7 to 8, sure
22:20 < sibiria> best get going. 7 hasn't been actual for years
22:22 < adig> So I guess upgrade Wordpress and all.
22:22 < c0co> or migrate away from it entirely 
22:22 < adig> I would so like to...
22:23 < adig> c0co Care to suggest an alternative?
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22:23 < TommyC> What are you using WordPress for?
22:23 < adig> Hosting a web site for a friend mostly.
22:24 < adig> I would so not use it.
22:24 < adig> I'm not rewriting that for free.
22:24 < TommyC> Then your hands are tied, no? Unless you can convience your friend to move to something else.
22:24 < adig> And I'm not sure he's willing to migrate.
22:24 < TommyC> convince, even
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22:24 < adig> Alternatives?
22:25 < TommyC> Again, what is your friend using WordPress for?
22:25 < adig> I mean...
22:25 < adig> Alternatives to Wordpress.
22:25 < uwharrie> hasn't noticed it's down in six months. could just turn it off
22:25 < adig> He has a small company.
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22:25 < adig> Just a presentation web site.
22:25 < adig> About Us...
22:25 < adig> Call Us...
22:25 < adig> Etc...
22:25 < adig> Just to have an online presence.
22:25 < TommyC> There's plenty of alternatives to WordPress, then.
22:25 < adig> He has a form to send some documents.
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22:26 < adig> uwharrie He noticed Today!
22:26 < adig> :D
22:26 < adig> TommyC What would you recommend?
22:26 < sibiria> "today i noticed what all customers have been complaining about for 6 months"
22:26 < TommyC> Drupal, Jinja2-based stuff, Cake-based stuff (also PHP) and plenty more.
22:26 < uwharrie> a static site could accomplish all of that minus the document upload
22:27 < sibiria> to be fair, a form mailer in PHP is like 3 lines of code
22:27 < adig> I'd so rather not be it php.
22:27 < adig> I personally lean towards a sttic site myself.
22:27 < TommyC> If the document uploading isn't significant, I'd also just use a static site but at that point I would probably use asiidoc.
22:28 < adig> I think he'd rather people just upload files (.doc?)
22:28 < adig> So I static site, with some dynamic component.
22:28 < adig> CGI even...
22:28 < Bradipo> Despite all of FTP's warts, uploading files is right up it's alley.
22:28 < uwharrie> files could be emailed
22:29 < TommyC> warty FTPenis
22:29 < Bradipo> 'Tis a shame that FTP got such a black eye.  You could setup an anonymous SFTP site I suppose.
22:29 < adig> Not sure how much he's interested in keepinp that upload functionality.
22:29 < adig> How much usage it gets, etc...
22:29 < Bradipo> Still, you don't need PHP and Wordpress to handle file uploads over HTTP.
22:30 < TommyC> So why not ask them?
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22:30 < TommyC> You're debating ifs and buts when you could just get a straight answer out of your friend.
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22:31 < adig> It's night here.
22:31 < adig> I'll talk to him tomorrow.
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