--- Log opened Thu Jul 31 00:00:00 2025
--- Day changed Thu Jul 31 2025
00:00 -!- monolith [~rm@p5de95692.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
00:06 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
00:06 -!- DragonMaus [~dragonmau@user/dragonmaus] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.]
00:07 -!- DragonMaus [~dragonmau@user/dragonmaus] has joined #openbsd
00:08 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has joined #openbsd
00:09 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:10 -!- rueda [~rueda@2404:9400:3:0:216:3eff:fee1:7d67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:10 -!- rueda [~rueda@2404:9400:3:0:216:3eff:fee1:7d67] has joined #openbsd
00:13 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
00:15 -!- ax0n [~axon@h-i-r.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
00:24 -!- rewtkid [~rewtkid@user/rewtkid] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:25 -!- rewtkid [~rewtkid@user/rewtkid] has joined #openbsd
00:31 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.10.1 - https://znc.in]
00:31 -!- down200 [~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu] has joined #openbsd
00:44 < rtj> thrig: This one was really interesting to me. https://www.ty-penguin.org.uk/~auj/spigot/
00:49 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
00:49 -!- Guest2 [~Guest2@2600:1014:b1e2:3a60:9912:c67c:f1e5:2eb7] has joined #openbsd
00:49 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
00:54 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has joined #openbsd
00:54 -!- Guest2 [~Guest2@2600:1014:b1e2:3a60:9912:c67c:f1e5:2eb7] has quit [Quit: Client closed]
00:55 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
00:56 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has joined #openbsd
00:57 -!- Guest2 [~Guest2@2600:1014:b1e2:3a60:9912:c67c:f1e5:2eb7] has joined #openbsd
00:57 -!- Guest2 [~Guest2@2600:1014:b1e2:3a60:9912:c67c:f1e5:2eb7] has quit [Client Quit]
00:58 -!- Guest2 [~Guest2@2600:1014:b1e2:3a60:9912:c67c:f1e5:2eb7] has joined #openbsd
00:58 -!- Guest2 [~Guest2@2600:1014:b1e2:3a60:9912:c67c:f1e5:2eb7] has quit [Client Quit]
00:59 -!- archcezar [~archcezar@83.21.217.232.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
01:00 -!- archcezar [~archcezar@83.21.215.45.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #openbsd
01:04 -!- slack0 [~slack0@user/slack0] has quit [Quit: quit]
01:12 -!- ax0n [~axon@h-i-r.net] has joined #openbsd
01:22 -!- itchy [~itchy@user/itchy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
01:23 -!- cavecanem [~cavecanem@user/cavecanem] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
01:24 -!- itchy [~itchy@user/itchy] has joined #openbsd
01:32 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@124.82.137.87] has joined #openbsd
01:34 -!- chrisz [lsp9k2uypo@195.52.24.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
01:36 -!- chrisz [ur7gy2qbgt@195.52.186.25] has joined #openbsd
01:37 -!- VictorHugenay [~VictorHug@user/VictorHugenay] has joined #openbsd
01:38 -!- dgoerger [dgoerger@user/dgoerger] has quit [Quit: Gateway shutdown]
01:39 -!- dgoerger [dgoerger@user/dgoerger] has joined #openbsd
01:45 -!- le2m [~lucas@189.7.87.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
01:47 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx]
01:47 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
01:49 < deimosBSD> does anyone run caddy? I cannot get it to start with rcctl, but starting it manually using the exact same commands in /etc/rc.d/caddy works fine.
01:53 -!- Aedil [~adrian@188.193.3.19] has joined #openbsd
01:55 < byteskeptical> deimosBSD: what does rcctl -d start caddy output?
01:56 < deimosBSD> it says tcp/443 is already busy
01:56 < deimosBSD> which, it is not
01:56 < deimosBSD> fstat confirms
01:56 < deimosBSD> let me restart it and get fresh output
01:57 -!- deepesttoaster [~deepestto@user/deepesttoaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
01:57 < deimosBSD> Error: loading initial config: loading new config: http app module: start: listening on :443: listen tcp :443: bind: address already in use
01:58 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:59 < deimosBSD> installed via pkg_add, not port
01:59 < byteskeptical> pretty clear either your not seeing 443 bound due to the permissions of the user running the command or the user your running caddy as in the rc file doesn't have permission to bind to priviledged ports
01:59 < byteskeptical> fstat | fgrep internet && netstat -iunlq
02:01 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd
02:02 -!- VictorHugenay [~VictorHug@user/VictorHugenay] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
02:03 -!- lusciouslover [~lusciousl@2603:6080:d03:610d::1050] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:04 < deimosBSD> i'm just running 'doas rcctl start caddy'
02:04 -!- lusciouslover [~lusciousl@2603:6080:d03:610d::1050] has joined #openbsd
02:05 < deimosBSD> maybe the pkg_add didn't add the user to some group or something
02:11 < deimosBSD> caddy was cheating until i had time to setup httpd/relayd
02:13 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd
02:16 < byteskeptical> I mean they both require setup one is included with the os.
02:19 < byteskeptical> have you tried checking the user permissions, idk what the port user is for caddy or if there is one but httpd runs as www?
02:19 -!- cavecanem [~cavecanem@user/cavecanem] has joined #openbsd
02:20 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:22 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
02:23 -!- eirian [eirian@user/eirian] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
02:26 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:10fa:f00::1c19] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
02:27 -!- fflam [~mdt@87.249.134.4] has joined #openbsd
02:28 -!- eirian [eirian@user/eirian] has joined #openbsd
02:28 < deimosBSD> caddy runs as _caddy
02:29 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has quit [Quit: wnh]
02:29 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd
02:29 < deimosBSD> this is a working caddy config copied from a working freebsd server, so it's not the caddy config per se. 
02:31 < deimosBSD> i'm tryng to decommission the freebsd server in favor of this openbsd server. i guess i'll figure out httpd/relayd for 50 vhosts and 2 reverse-proxies
02:31 < deimosBSD> and acme-client
02:53 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
02:56 -!- zip100 [~zip100@185.209.196.186] has joined #openbsd
03:03 -!- gtlwuc [uid621242@user/gtlwuc] has joined #openbsd
03:07 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.4)]
03:17 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
03:18 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
03:18 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
03:18 -!- adig_ [~default@86.121.67.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
03:21 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has quit [Quit: "Jewel Night Zone"]
03:36 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd
03:45 -!- carbonfiber [uid513797@id-513797.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd
03:50 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:53 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
03:57 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:57 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
03:59 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:06 -!- deepesttoaster [~deepestto@user/deepesttoaster] has joined #openbsd
04:08 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
04:10 -!- deepesttoaster [~deepestto@user/deepesttoaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
04:11 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has joined #openbsd
04:15 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #openbsd
04:41 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has joined #openbsd
04:45 -!- jmcgnh [~jmcgnh@wikipedia/jmcgnh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
04:47 < deimosBSD> have httpd and acme-client working. i'll argue with relayd again, but later.
04:49 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has joined #openbsd
05:00 -!- gnucode [~user@user/jab] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
05:02 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
05:05 -!- jmcgnh [~jmcgnh@wikipedia/jmcgnh] has joined #openbsd
05:36 -!- agentcasey [agentcasey@2600:3c03::f03c:93ff:febe:5054] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.10.x-git-82-9ab81d1d - https://znc.in]
05:36 -!- agentcasey [~agentcase@143-42-229-181.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has joined #openbsd
05:47 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:47 -!- SiFuh [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has joined #openbsd
05:48 -!- jmcgnh [~jmcgnh@wikipedia/jmcgnh] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
05:54 -!- carbonfiber [uid513797@id-513797.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
06:05 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
06:09 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
06:14 -!- jmcgnh [~jmcgnh@wikipedia/jmcgnh] has joined #openbsd
06:16 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
06:27 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
06:27 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@user/Skippy8] has joined #openbsd
06:28 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-201.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd
06:31 -!- carbonfiber [uid513797@id-513797.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd
06:31 -!- c0co [~e@user/c0co] has joined #openbsd
06:31 -!- c0co is now known as guest1234
06:32 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
06:33 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
06:38 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
06:41 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
06:45 < rIMpossible> G'morning
06:45 < zelest> o/
06:46 < rIMpossible> How can I open Firefox always with the same window coordinates?
06:46 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
06:47 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
06:52 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
06:55 < TommyC> That sounds like it may be dependent on the window manager and/or desktop environment.
06:55 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
06:59 -!- slesa [~Slesa@2a0d:ee00:8010:5b00:e37f:5913:37f5:c314] has joined #openbsd
07:01 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
07:01 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
07:02 -!- gihar [~qr8AbFNB4@user/gihar] has joined #openbsd
07:09 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
07:10 < rIMpossible> TommyC: I use cwm on xdm
07:14 < rIMpossible> Can it be defined in ~/.Xdefaults like for the X applications and if yes, where can I read about the parameters/options ?
07:15 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has joined #openbsd
07:18 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
07:25 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
07:26 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
07:28 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd
07:28 -!- gihar [~qr8AbFNB4@user/gihar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:31 < TommyC> rIMpossible: I'm not too familiar with cwm, sorry.
07:31 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
07:32 < rIMpossible> TommyC: Fair enough
07:35 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
07:36 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd
07:37 < thrig> cwm doesn't have a lot of knobs for window placement options
07:40 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.195] has joined #openbsd
07:41 -!- zip100 [~zip100@185.209.196.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
07:41 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has joined #openbsd
07:41 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:41 -!- b50d [~b50d@62.96.54.30] has joined #openbsd
07:44 -!- enrh [~enrh@user/enrh] has joined #openbsd
07:52 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
07:59 < thrig>  /1
08:02 -!- CrimeWave [~Montreal@user/CrimeWave] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC 7.2.5 OSX]
08:07 -!- jonf_ [~jonf@2601:85:c900:208c:be5f:f4ff:fe4a:d5c1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
08:07 -!- jonf_ [~jonf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has joined #openbsd
08:07 -!- jonf__ [~jjf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has joined #openbsd
08:08 -!- jonf [~jjf@2601:85:c900:208c:be5f:f4ff:fe4a:d5c1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
08:08 -!- jonf_ is now known as jonf
08:08 < andrath> my qtile patches to get that window manager to work are accepted. I guess I'll have to make a port :)
08:09 < andrath> (yes, I got qtile to work on OpenBSD)
08:14 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd
08:14 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd
08:17 -!- jonf__ [~jjf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
08:17 -!- jonf [~jonf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
08:17 -!- jonf [~jjf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has joined #openbsd
08:17 -!- jonf_ [~jonf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has joined #openbsd
08:27 -!- jgh [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has joined #openbsd
08:30 -!- dawnoxn21 [~dawnoxn21@2401:4900:633c:abf5:7d84:16f7:e1f6:1512] has joined #openbsd
08:34 -!- carbonfiber [uid513797@id-513797.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
08:36 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has joined #openbsd
08:40 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has joined #openbsd
08:43 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd
08:45 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:54 -!- comradeCrow [~comradeCr@99-110-128-132.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
08:55 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:01 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@user/Skippy8] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3]
09:02 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
09:03 -!- Bokamosho [Bokamosho@thunderirc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
09:04 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd
09:04 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@user/Skippy8] has joined #openbsd
09:05 -!- AVA [~AVA@84.54.80.58] has joined #openbsd
09:18 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx]
09:24 -!- dawnoxn21 [~dawnoxn21@2401:4900:633c:abf5:7d84:16f7:e1f6:1512] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
09:30 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
09:36 < vortexx> deimosBSD: does caddy come with a pkg-readme in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes ?
09:42 -!- joxn [~joxn@utaw/joxn] has joined #openbsd
09:43 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
09:45 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has joined #openbsd
09:55 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-201.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
09:55 -!- apac [~alexander@user/apac] has joined #openbsd
09:55 -!- VictorHugenay [~VictorHug@user/VictorHugenay] has joined #openbsd
09:59 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd
10:08 -!- hsw [~hsw@112-104-9-97.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:09 -!- VictorHugenay [~VictorHug@user/VictorHugenay] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
10:12 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has joined #openbsd
10:14 -!- XPMUser [~XPMUser@2607:fea8:e81:d900:544a:85b1:dc6f:f5f5] has joined #openbsd
10:16 -!- dawnoxn21 [~dawnoxn21@110.224.94.102] has joined #openbsd
10:18 -!- VictorHugenay [~VictorHug@user/VictorHugenay] has joined #openbsd
10:18 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@user/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
10:18 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@user/mornfall] has joined #openbsd
10:18 -!- XPMUser [~XPMUser@2607:fea8:e81:d900:544a:85b1:dc6f:f5f5] has quit [Client Quit]
10:19 -!- XPMUser [~XPMUser@2607:fea8:e81:d900:544a:85b1:dc6f:f5f5] has joined #openbsd
10:20 < vortexx> at last, I've solved my duplicity backup over webdav issue now I've rebuilt the nextcloud after a disk crash that took out the array (probably the parity drive). Had to reinstall from scratch because my backup config/config.php... had failed
10:20 < vortexx> but I was able to restore all user accounts with data
10:21 < vortexx> turns out I'd forgotten to run the "sync all files in nextcloud/data with the db" and now it's working again instead of giving a 503 then a 404 error
10:23 -!- XPMUser [~XPMUser@2607:fea8:e81:d900:544a:85b1:dc6f:f5f5] has quit [Client Quit]
10:23 -!- XPMUser [~XPMUser@2607:fea8:e81:d900:544a:85b1:dc6f:f5f5] has joined #openbsd
10:26 -!- jambove [~jambove@C3E48323.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
10:27 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
10:27 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@43.249.70.178] has joined #openbsd
10:27 -!- jambove [~jambove@2E6B61A1.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd
10:29 -!- lrosa [~lrosa@user/lrosa] has joined #openbsd
10:29 -!- VictorHugenay [~VictorHug@user/VictorHugenay] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
10:33 -!- accelerat0r [~user@user/accelerat0r] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:35 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
10:40 -!- XPMUser [~XPMUser@2607:fea8:e81:d900:544a:85b1:dc6f:f5f5] has quit [Quit: Client closed]
10:44 < andrath> I have a port (plus dependency ports) for qtile :)
10:44 < andrath> does that still have to go through openbsd-wip first?
10:45 < renaud> you can always submit new ports to ports@, if it's really WIP, then you can mention it's WIP. If you think your ports are OK, you can siggest them directly.
10:46 < renaud> s/siggest/suggest/
10:46 < andrath> cool, I'll make work of that
10:46 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
10:49 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd
10:51 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:8867:e095:4404:3a41] has joined #openbsd
10:52 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has joined #openbsd
10:57 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
10:57 -!- six [~six@user/six] has quit [Quit: nyaa~]
11:05 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
11:11 -!- AVA [~AVA@84.54.80.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:16 -!- apac [~alexander@user/apac] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
11:20 -!- yang39 [~yang@fsf/member/yang] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)]
11:20 -!- yang3 [~yang@fsf/member/yang] has joined #openbsd
11:21 -!- kuzdra [~kuzdra@user/kuzdra] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:22 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has joined #openbsd
11:22 -!- cript0nauta [~cript0nau@181.85.164.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:23 -!- babz [uwu@user/babz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
11:24 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has joined #openbsd
11:29 < andrath> sent to ports@
11:29 -!- babz [uwu@user/babz] has joined #openbsd
11:31 -!- dawnoxn21 [~dawnoxn21@110.224.94.102] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:32 -!- dawnoxn21 [~dawnoxn21@110.224.94.102] has joined #openbsd
11:33 -!- dawnoxn21 [~dawnoxn21@110.224.94.102] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:41 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd
11:45 -!- le2m [~lucas@189.7.87.75] has joined #openbsd
11:46 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@43.249.70.178] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
11:56 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@2405:9800:b670:aba2:31a7:28f5:44c3:3139] has joined #openbsd
11:57 -!- brynet [~brynet@brynet.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving]
11:59 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has quit [Quit: Client closed]
12:00 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has joined #openbsd
12:00 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@2405:9800:b670:aba2:31a7:28f5:44c3:3139] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
12:02 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@43.249.70.178] has joined #openbsd
12:02 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd
12:09 -!- Ltning [~ltning@anduin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:09 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Quit: leaving]
12:10 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd
12:12 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:13 -!- Ltning [~ltning@anduin.net] has joined #openbsd
12:16 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:17 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has joined #openbsd
12:22 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
12:22 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:22 -!- kuzdra [~kuzdra@user/kuzdra] has joined #openbsd
12:22 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
12:42 -!- LainIwakura [~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
12:43 -!- vlcg [~mirc-rc@user/vlcg] has joined #openbsd
12:44 -!- brynet [~brynet@brynet.ca] has joined #openbsd
13:01 -!- jonf__ [~jonf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has joined #openbsd
13:01 -!- jonf___ [~jjf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has joined #openbsd
13:01 -!- jonf_ [~jonf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
13:01 -!- jonf [~jjf@dhcp-67-146-47-162.gobrightspeed.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
13:01 -!- jonf___ is now known as jonf
13:01 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
13:04 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
13:14 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p54855b3f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd
13:23 -!- gtlwuc [uid621242@user/gtlwuc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
13:23 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
13:28 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd
13:29 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd
13:36 -!- aitap [~aitap@user/aitap] has joined #openbsd
13:38 < aitap> Hi! Is OpenMP supposed to be usable on OpenBSD? I see both the system cc and egcc understand -fopenmp, but I couldn't find the runtime libraries or the <omp.h> header.
13:41 -!- Poltawer [~xt003@user/Poltawer] has joined #openbsd
13:46 < aitap> Oh I see, it's widely noted that OpenMP is not shipped in base or ports. That's okay.
13:46 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@43.249.70.178] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
13:48 < sonya> aitap: 'openmp' is not ported yet.. i can't advise the status of this project, though followed this:   https://j-bm.github.io/on/onp.html
13:49 < aitap> sonya, thanks! That's quite interesting. Reminds me of what the R language people do to run OpenMP on macOS.
13:56 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
13:57 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has joined #openbsd
14:02 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1000:ab7d:9c04:24db:9d78:b89d] has joined #openbsd
14:10 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd
14:17 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:22 -!- guest1234 [~e@user/c0co] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
14:30 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-201.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd
14:34 -!- shtrophic [~m-hrdsqi@user/shtrophic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:34 -!- repliqa [~repliqa@46.23.90.31] has quit [Quit: leaving]
14:37 -!- shtrophic [~m-hrdsqi@user/shtrophic] has joined #openbsd
14:46 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-201.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:51 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-201.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd
14:56 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has joined #openbsd
14:56 -!- rewtkid [~rewtkid@user/rewtkid] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
15:03 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has quit [Quit: goodbye]
15:04 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has joined #openbsd
15:04 -!- fflam [~mdt@87.249.134.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
15:06 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:10fa:f00::1c19] has joined #openbsd
15:11 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd
15:12 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has joined #openbsd
15:13 -!- c0co [~c0co@user/c0co] has joined #openbsd
15:20 -!- comradeCrow [~comradeCr@99-110-128-132.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd
15:23 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@user/Skippy8] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3]
15:26 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
15:26 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has joined #openbsd
15:27 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:8867:e095:4404:3a41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:28 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3040:8929:188d:eb09] has joined #openbsd
15:29 -!- adig_ [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
15:32 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3040:8929:188d:eb09] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
15:33 -!- amadaluzia_ [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd
15:34 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
15:35 -!- lrosa [~lrosa@user/lrosa] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
15:35 -!- deltahotel [~deltahote@user/deltahotel] has joined #openbsd
15:41 -!- slesa [~Slesa@2a0d:ee00:8010:5b00:e37f:5913:37f5:c314] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:41 -!- Poltawer [~xt003@user/Poltawer] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.0]
15:42 -!- nullenvk [~nullenvk@83.24.173.183.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #openbsd
15:43 -!- nullenvk [~nullenvk@83.24.173.183.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has left #openbsd []
15:44 -!- Poltawer [~xt003@user/Poltawer] has joined #openbsd
15:47 -!- Bokamosho [Bokamosho@thunderirc.net] has joined #openbsd
15:54 -!- polishdub [~polishdub@ip72-208-203-185.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
16:01 -!- polishdub [~polishdub@ip72-208-203-185.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openbsd
16:03 -!- adig_ [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:09 -!- polishdub [~polishdub@ip72-208-203-185.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
16:15 -!- runelind [~runelind@user/runelind] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.10.1 - https://znc.in]
16:15 -!- _wnh_ [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd
16:16 -!- runelind [~runelind@user/runelind] has joined #openbsd
16:17 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
16:17 -!- _wnh_ is now known as wnh
16:22 -!- polishdub [~polishdub@ip72-208-203-185.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openbsd
16:22 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
16:22 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has joined #openbsd
16:27 -!- sbr [~sbr@dddd.8by3.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
16:27 -!- Ltning [~ltning@anduin.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in]
16:28 -!- sbr [~sbr@dddd.8by3.net] has joined #openbsd
16:28 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd
16:33 -!- aitap [~aitap@user/aitap] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
16:35 -!- bsdperl [~bsdperl@user/bsdperl] has quit [Quit: bsdperl]
16:41 -!- b50d [~b50d@62.96.54.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:41 -!- lrosa [~lrosa@user/lrosa] has joined #openbsd
16:43 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:45 -!- bsdperl [~bsdperl@user/bsdperl] has joined #openbsd
16:45 -!- Ltning [~ltning@anduin.net] has joined #openbsd
16:46 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@user/Skippy8] has joined #openbsd
16:47 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:48 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has joined #openbsd
16:52 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250731111632 Call for testing: Improved 802.11g AP compatibility check
16:52 -!- sunwind [~paradox@190.235.189.80.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openbsd
16:54 -!- sunwind` [~paradox@gateway/vpn/pia/sunwind] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
16:55 -!- cript0nauta [~cript0nau@181.85.164.77] has joined #openbsd
16:57 -!- photon [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openbsd
16:57 -!- photon [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit]
16:58 -!- photon [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openbsd
16:58 -!- photon [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit]
16:59 -!- DragonMaus [~dragonmau@user/dragonmaus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
17:00 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd
17:00 -!- sunwind [~paradox@190.235.189.80.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Outside Context Problem.]
17:01 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd
17:02 -!- DragonMaus [~dragonmau@user/dragonmaus] has joined #openbsd
17:05 -!- slack0 [~slack0@user/slack0] has joined #openbsd
17:07 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has quit [Quit: goodbye]
17:13 -!- perelman [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openbsd
17:13 -!- perelman [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host]
17:13 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has joined #openbsd
17:14 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:14 -!- perelman [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openbsd
17:14 -!- perelman [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host]
17:14 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has joined #openbsd
17:19 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:19 -!- perelman [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #openbsd
17:19 -!- perelman [~unknown@93.red-83-38-101.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host]
17:19 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has joined #openbsd
17:21 -!- Guest47 [~textual@2409:40d1:14:ef69:3468:1145:8ec6:7cf8] has joined #openbsd
17:26 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
17:28 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd
17:29 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has quit [Quit: Bye, bye, ...]
17:29 -!- shinbeth [~sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd
17:30 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:31 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
17:32 -!- shinbet [~sinvet@user/sinvet] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
17:34 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has joined #openbsd
17:44 -!- hsw [~hsw@112-104-9-97.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has joined #openbsd
17:49 < xx> 11g?
17:56 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
17:59 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd
18:08 < sibiria> ye olde slow wireless standard
18:13 -!- perelman [~unknown@user/perelman] has quit [Quit: Bye, bye, ...]
18:14 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
18:16 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@124.82.137.87] has quit [Quit: edthix]
18:19 -!- rewtkid [~rewtkid@user/rewtkid] has joined #openbsd
18:21 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:26 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
18:27 < lts> It's not that old, it's wifi 3
18:27 < lts> There were at least two versions before it
18:28 -!- mischief [~mischief@2604:5500:c29f:e800::c0ca:c01a] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
18:29 -!- mischief [~mischief@2604:5500:c29f:e800::c0ca:c01a] has joined #openbsd
18:31 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:31 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
18:31 -!- jrmu [jrmu@ircnow.org] has joined #openbsd
18:32 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
18:33 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:33 -!- jrmu [jrmu@ircnow.org] has left #openbsd []
18:33 -!- jrmu [jrmu@ircnow.org] has joined #openbsd
18:33 < jrmu> Is it possible to have two mail servers, 1 and 2, and I'd like them both to receive a copy of a letter so that either of the mail servers can be used for viewing/reading mail via imap/pop? From what I understand, a backup mail server only keeps the mail until it's able to deliver it to the primary mail server, then deletes it after delivery
18:34 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd
18:38 < lts> MX will only deliver to one server, so you'll need to figure out some sort of forwarding or sync for the two mail servers. Your problem might have a completely different solution than two mail servers, too. Also, 1) probably not #openbsd specific? 2) Jermu?
18:38 < jrmu> lts: hm well I'm trying to do this using opensmtpd
18:38 < jgh> Yes.  But how to configure that will depend on the MTA... also, you will get annoyed that the "other" one doesn't delete a mail.  Your other option would be a shared mailstore - but then, that's a single point-of-fail which is presumably what you wanted to get away from
18:38 < jrmu> I did ask on #opensmtpd also. It would be nice if opensmtpd could be configured to forward all mail to the other mail server
18:39 < jrmu> Yeah, I can see how email deletion would not get sync'd. That does seem like a problem
18:40 < Bradipo> jrmu: You need a shared datastore for the mailstore.
18:40 < jrmu> Bradipo: does opensmtpd provide any way to do this?
18:40 < Bradipo> It really doesn't have much to do with opensmtpd.
18:41 < Bradipo> Assuming that opensmtpd delivers to /home/jrmu, then you should make /home/jmru a shared datastore.
18:41 < Bradipo> It could be an NFS mounted filesystem.
18:41 < Bradipo> Not sure how well that plays with opensmtpd though.
18:42 < jrmu> the shared data store however sounds like a single point of failure like jgh mentioned
18:42 < lts> I'm thinking could the mailbox be synced on a file level
18:43 < lts> What's the reason you want this? High availability in case one mailserver is down/unreachable?
18:43 < Bradipo> Is your goal to have backup copies?  Or redundant storage?
18:43 < jgh> that would be a multimaster problem
18:43 < Bradipo> This isn't exactly a trivial problem.
18:44 < jgh> or is the goal merely to have it accessible from two different systems?
18:45 < Bradipo> And with what kind of time delay?
18:45 < Bradipo> e.g. is a 1 minute time delay acceptable?
18:45 < Bradipo> e.g. you could have a cronjob that synchronizes to the backup MX every minute.
18:45 < Bradipo> And the backup MX would not deliver locally but would instead store and forward to the primary MX.
18:46 < Bradipo> That way you avoid the multimaster problem.
18:46 < jrmu> lts: yes high availability
18:46 < jrmu> Bradipo: yes backup copies would be good
18:46 < Bradipo> If your primary goes down, then you have to make some changes ont he backup.
18:46 < jrmu> 1 minute delay is fine
18:46 < jrmu> but if it's quite complex and can't be done with the base system, I might skip it
18:46 < Bradipo> Well, it's a pretty complex problem, sure.  How much are you willing to invest in making it work?
18:47 < Bradipo> It's easier just to provide good backups and in the event of failure, quick recovery and restoration.
18:47 < jrmu> not much. If there's no simple way to do it with opensmtpd, I'm probably going to skip it
18:48 < Bradipo> I'm not aware of any built-in mechanism in opensmtpd.
18:48 < jrmu> so the backup mail option is probably my best bet, and to just have everything stored on one single server
18:48 -!- sunwind [~paradox@31.111.120.75] has joined #openbsd
18:48 < Bradipo> NFS *could* work though.
18:49 < Bradipo> That would give you parallel access but not redundancy.
18:49 < Bradipo> E.g. if the NFS server (which might be MX1) goes down, then MX2 won't have access anymore.
18:49 < jrmu> gotcha, ok makes sense
18:49 < jrmu> so this general problem of clustering remains not easy to solve
18:50 < Bradipo> Does opensmtpd support delivery to a Cassandra cluster? :-)
18:50 < jgh> there's a word that is often appended to "cluster" for good reason
18:51 -!- adig_ [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
18:51 -!- CrimeWave [~Montreal@user/CrimeWave] has joined #openbsd
18:51 < bountyht> jrmu: You may want to set up multi MX for reception (more than one SMTPD instance) that deliver all email to a database cluster. And then make the database cluster redundant, which is widely documented. Probably not worth the effort at all.
18:52 < Bradipo> Depends on the audience...
18:52 < Bradipo> If it's just friends and family, just tell them that if the services goes down, they will have to wait for you to restore.
18:52 < bountyht> The easy poorman way is to place your email service all in a single virtual machine that resides in a shared data store and then have the virtual machine booted in different hypervisor nodes
18:53 < bountyht> so if you have two hypervisor nodes you have the email system running in one, if the node goes down you boot the machine in the other
18:53 < bountyht> At which point is is not a obsd problem but one of the hypervisor. Such deployments are also very well documented these days
18:54 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
18:56 -!- adig_ [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:01 -!- deltahotel [~deltahote@user/deltahotel] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:03 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx]
19:08 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd
19:11 -!- amadaluzia_ [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
19:17 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd
19:21 < jf> my approach here is to use cheap vm as mx relays. the mx relays are permitted to relay to the actual host / the actual host only accepts from the mx relays. submission (and origination) is from the actual host only. 
19:21 < jf> this setup gives me one host with reputation challenges for deliverability, and spreads the incoming load around multiple cheap mx relays.
19:22 < jf> it also means than an outage does not lose mail - the mx relays queue it up. an outage does affect submission and imap, but .. that's my choice.
19:23 < Bradipo> Even if all your MX are unavailable, an outage should not result in lost email.
19:23 < Bradipo> If it does, then the sender has a problem.
19:23 < jf> agreed. and .. try telling the sender that ;)
19:23 < Bradipo> SMTP was designed to be robust and resilient in the face of outages.
19:23 < Bradipo> Yeah, I know.
19:25 < lts> One more - perhaps there could be an IMAP client that downloads the email and serves it forward
19:25 < Bradipo> A kind of AUTOTURN?
19:27 -!- librecat [~librecat@212.252.142.167] has joined #openbsd
19:30 < jf> in ancient times, this is how anonymiser relays worked: poll a delivered mailbox, look for forwarding instructions, originate "new" email.
19:30 < jf> the challenge with this now is that the relay cannot DKIM sign the original sender. ARC signatures are possible, but the relay trail is preserved.
19:31 < Bradipo> Yeah, SPF and DKIM broke a lot of useful use cases, but fortunately most places do not strictly enforce either.
19:31 < Bradipo> Where "most places" means everything that is !Gmail. lol.
19:32 -!- librecat is now known as librecat_
19:32 < lts> If you don't strictly enforce, you get interesting attacks
19:32 < Bradipo> I'm curious what those might be...
19:32 < Bradipo> I don't enforce SPF or DKIM, haven't for years.
19:33 < Bradipo> spamd(8) kind of obviates the need for them.
19:33 < Bradipo> And if one really wants authenticated and private email, neither SPF nor DKIM provide that.
19:33 -!- librecat_ [~librecat@212.252.142.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:34 < lts> Faked email quote "showing" a senior executive approving an invoice, sent to accounts receivable, is probably the most successful per dollar
19:34 -!- librecat_ [~librecat_@212.252.142.167] has joined #openbsd
19:35 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
19:37 < Bradipo> And SPF/DKIM prevent that? :-)
19:37 < Bradipo> What has happened in reality is that spammers now use SPF/DKIM.
19:38 -!- d34db33f [~d34db33f@user/d34db33f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:38 < k0ga> Bradipo: indeed
19:39 < k0ga> today is more about the content of the email than the origin
19:39 < lts> It reduces the attack from "oh, <well known company> has another invoice" to "xtr2ii---yb.xyz sent us an invoice, I don't recognize this"
19:39 < k0ga> lts: the common user does not check the source of the email
19:39 < k0ga> only the content
19:40 < Bradipo> There was a really good summary of the "state of things" here I thought: https://marc.info/?l=nanog&m=175148556319481&w=2
19:40 < k0ga> I saw this so much lately, they don't try to hide the fucking pishing domains
19:40 < bountyht> Bradipo: Proper DMARC gets you notified when an email is delivered from a server you don't control. For low traffic use cases that is quite nice to have because it tells you when they are trying to impersonate your service
19:41 < Bradipo> Unfortunately, these days it's next to impossible to contact any particular ISP or domain owner about potential problems, so even if I did know that someone is impersonating, there's little that I could do (or want to do) about it.
19:41 < Bradipo> If I don't want impersonation, I will provide a PGP key to those with home I communicate and tell them that if it isn't signed it ain't from me.
19:42 < Bradipo> How many postmaster@ and abuse@ email addresses are still functional?
19:43 < Bradipo> Mine are... in 20--30 years, how many times have I received any actual email directed to postmaster@?  I cannot think of one.
19:43 < lts> I may be a little lucky in this. I have a finance department that actually checks the senders (but would fail immediately to a fake sender if SPF/DKIM/DMARC were not used), and I have a local CERT who are very interested in taking down abusive domains
19:43 < Bradipo> Heck, I don't even get spam sent to posmaster@, lol.
19:45 < Bradipo> I've been hosting email (for personal needs only) for 20+ years, 16 of which are on OpenBSD.
19:46 < Bradipo> Sorry, maybe that's a little low.  More like 25+ years, 20 of which are on OpenBSD.
19:46 < Bradipo> My how time flies.
19:46 < il> do any big email providers make it hell to have your mail delivered?
19:46 < Bradipo> Only Gmail.
19:46 < il> I mean, I know they do
19:46 < Bradipo> Yeah, only Gmail.
19:47 < il> What do you do about that?
19:47 < lts> Well, Microsoft too
19:47 < il> if anything
19:47 < Bradipo> Tell my contacts that they have no guarantee to get my emails.
19:47 < Bradipo> Actually, Microsoft hasn't been nearly as bad as Gmail, but that may be changing.
19:57 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
19:57 < eea> the big mail corps will be nice if your mx isn't on spammy dynamic IP or some haphazard configs...
19:58 < Bradipo> They will be nice, or will not be nice?
19:58 < eea> will be
19:58 < eea> they are nice to my mx
19:59 < eea> mail flows freely
19:59 < uwharrie> they are not being nice. you are lucky
19:59 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd
19:59 < Bradipo> Mostly because big mail corps don't care about RBLs.  They think their own technologies are superior.
19:59 < eea> i follow good mx etiquette
20:00 < eea> so i have proper dns/rdns/dmarc/dkim/spf/et al
20:00 < Bradipo> That's not MX etiquette.
20:00 < eea> no?
20:01 < Bradipo> Not really.  That's just conforming to their demands.  Most of that is largely not useful for anyone else.
20:02 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving]
20:02 < eea> i could remove dmarc/dkim and still be ok
20:03 < Bradipo> Having those things does not prove to them that you don't send spam.  The best spam feedback mechanism is a per-user feedback mechanism.
20:05 < Bradipo> They don't need to enforce SPF.  They could simply say, "if you don't use SPF, then we only allow email sent from your MX."  This one policy change would basically eliminate the need for SPF for a large portion of the internet.
20:06 < Bradipo> Because then all you have to do is make sure you only send email from your MX (which is probably 99% of legitimate email anyway).
20:07 < Bradipo> And only big mail corp usually have asynchronous inbounds vs outbound mail servers anyway.
20:12 -!- Dj_Dexter_ [~Dark_X@2803:c180:2100:64e9::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:12 -!- Aedil [~adrian@188.193.3.19] has quit [Quit: Bonne nuit!]
20:16 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd
20:24 -!- Guest47 [~textual@2409:40d1:14:ef69:3468:1145:8ec6:7cf8] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
20:31 -!- shinbeth is now known as sinvet
20:33 < tux0r> Bradipo: big mail corp and people who are just getting started trying to self-host their e-mail
20:33 < tux0r> you'd be surprised how fast MY first attempt was on every ban list out there
20:33 < tux0r> (two days. it was freebsd with postfix though.)
20:34 < Bradipo> That may be.  I'm not aware of self-hosters using a different outbound MX than their inbound.
20:34 < Bradipo> Or are you saying that you got hacked?
20:34 < Bradipo> And if you get hacked, then certainly I don't blame big mail corp for blocking your server. :-)
20:34 < tux0r> no, i essentially had an open mail relay
20:34 < tux0r> because i was dumb and i thought e-mail was just another service
20:34 < Bradipo> Ok, open relay is on par with hacked.
20:34  * tux0r shrugs
20:35 < Bradipo> Right.
20:35 < Bradipo> Had to learn the hard way sometimes.
20:35 < tux0r> my current one works just great, i mostly followed the poolp tutorial
20:35 < Bradipo> But what's unfortunate is that once that happens it's almost impossible to clean up.
20:35 < tux0r> minus webmail, because webmail sucks.
20:35 < tux0r> yeah.. i use a different domain now :o)
20:35 < Bradipo> Yes, agreed that webmail sucks, but sometimes it's a necessary evil.
20:35 < Bradipo> poolp is a decent resource.
20:36 < Bradipo> OpenBSD really only includes one webmail that I'm aware of that's good... RoundCubeMail.
20:36 < tux0r> i must live in a real dream - no necessity for webmail in the past 5372642 years
20:36 < Bradipo> While I don't use it, I have set it up for others, and it's actually not too bad as far as webmail interfaces go.
20:36 < tux0r> (rough estimate)
20:36 < tux0r> roundcube is "good, but" it's still.. too much web in my mail
20:37 < Bradipo> The best feature is that it allows easy setup for aliases.
20:37 < Bradipo> e.g. username+alias@domain
20:38 < thrig> +alias can't get through a lot of webforms
20:38 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd
20:38 < Bradipo> Ok, -alias then. :-)
20:39 < Bradipo> Does anyone have any other experience with webmail alternatives on OpenBSD?
20:39 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1000:ab7d:9c04:24db:9d78:b89d] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:40 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
20:40 < tux0r> thrig: neither can newlines, although they are valid parts of your e-mail address
20:41 < tux0r> :( no love for standards these days
20:43 -!- jpoc [~jpoc@centos/qa/jpoc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
20:43 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:43 < Bradipo> tux0r: Newlines have to be quoted though, right?  Or are you talking about FWS?
20:44 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
20:44 -!- librecat_ [~librecat_@212.252.142.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:44 < tux0r> yes, newlines have to be quoted. or, actually, as long as it's "something"@foo.bar, that "something" can contain almost anything
20:44 < tux0r> except @ afaics
20:44 < tux0r> or "? anyway, quoting works.
20:45 < Bradipo> I'm pretty sure if it's quoted it can contain just about anything, even @.
20:45 < tux0r> still, most :) webforms won't let me pass "tux0r\n\n🤨"@my.domain
20:46 < tux0r> web people are bad :(
20:46 < Bradipo> Yep.
20:46 < Bradipo> The latest fad in webform email verification is "business address".
20:46 < tux0r> whats that now?
20:46 < Bradipo> Some forms require you to enter a "business address" to sign up for services.
20:47 < Bradipo> They reject @gmail.com as a "business" address, lol!
20:47 < Bradipo> As if nobody using @gmail.com is a "business".
20:47 < Bradipo> They want @customdomain.com becuase only custom domains are "businesses".
20:47 < tux0r> ah, fun fact: admin@localhost is not rfc-compliant, root@blahost is
20:47 < tux0r> :o)
20:47 < Bradipo> What if I have localhost.domain.dom?
20:48 < tux0r> thats ok
20:48 < tux0r> localhost is "reserved" in the rfcs though
20:48 < tux0r> explicitly named invalid :D
20:48 < Bradipo> Yeah, I suppose that's understandable.
20:49 < tux0r> fwiw, i wrote a library a while ago to cover exactly that
20:50 < tux0r> afair ONE webshit has adapted it.. yet. https://github.com/dertuxmalwieder/libvldmail
20:52 < Bradipo> Yeah, good alternative, but most people settle for whatever is popular.
20:52 < tux0r> ... which is gmail
20:54 < Bradipo> Well, I'm talking about email address form validation though.
20:54 < tux0r> .... which is none, mostly
20:54 < tux0r> "one line, contains @ and ., done"
20:58 < Bradipo> Well, as I said before, there are some validation engines that require a "business address" and reject @gmail.com, @hotmail.com, and @yahoo.com, for example.
21:00 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Quit: lavaball]
21:00 -!- om3ga [~om3ga@93.177.187.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
21:01 < tux0r> "mostly" :D yes, there are anti-patterns in form validation. i remain amazed how many "falsehoods" from the various "falsehoods about addresses" lists are still a "state of the art", but that's not even an e-mail specialty
21:01 < tux0r> one could argue that gmail not being accepted as a business address is a nudge in the right direction
21:01 < tux0r> just let us have a list of textareas.
21:02 < Bradipo> Haha.
21:03 < tux0r> no joke intended. ok, correction: let us have a list of textareas AND block gmail.com!
21:03 < tux0r> ;-)
21:03 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd
21:03 -!- hygo [~hygo@152.250.155.64] has joined #openbsd
21:03 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
21:06 -!- hjckr [~nikolay@195.24.93.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
21:08 -!- eburk [~eburk@user/eburk] has quit [Quit: See ya!]
21:09 -!- six [~six@user/six] has joined #openbsd
21:12 -!- eburk [~eburk@user/eburk] has joined #openbsd
21:16 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.2.6 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/]
21:22 -!- sunwind` [~paradox@gateway/vpn/pia/sunwind] has joined #openbsd
21:23 -!- uncleyear [~ian@178.66.128.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:24 -!- sunwind [~paradox@31.111.120.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
21:25 -!- uncleyear [~ian@178.66.128.151] has joined #openbsd
21:33 < jrmu> thanks bountyht , Bradipo , jgh . I think I'm going to stick with just a single mail server then, the other solutions sound too complex
21:33 < Bradipo> Well, if you enjoy playing with ideas, then dive in.
21:33 < Bradipo> If all you want is a simple mail server to handle your email, it's not worth it.
21:33 < Bradipo> However, you definitely *should* consider having a backup plan in place.
21:34 < Bradipo> e.g. backup configs and data daily so that in the event that your server does go belly up, you can reinstall, and restore.
21:34 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:35 < sibiria> if you're temporarily offline, it's usually not a problem. MXs comonly keep mails in the delivery queue for a good while before giving up
21:35 -!- zami3l [~zami3l@tokyo.netunix.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
21:38 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-201.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
21:43 -!- lrosa [~lrosa@user/lrosa] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
21:43 < thrig> some modern apps, however, fire and forget mails
21:45 < sibiria> well that's on them. apps shouldn't try to immitate MXes
21:45 < sibiria> stupid apps
21:50 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
21:51 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:54 -!- zami3l [~zami3l@tokyo.netunix.net] has joined #openbsd
21:54 -!- slim [~slim@user/meow/slim] has quit [Quit: bWFkZSB5b3UgbG9vaw==]
21:55 -!- slim [~slim@user/meow/slim] has joined #openbsd
22:00 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:00 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has joined #openbsd
22:02 -!- c0co [~c0co@user/c0co] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
22:02 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has joined #openbsd
22:07 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
22:15 -!- Darkcipher [~Darkciphe@seve-27-b2-v4wan-172977-cust849.vm13.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openbsd
22:16 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@user/Skippy8] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3]
22:16 -!- Poltawer [~xt003@user/Poltawer] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.0]
22:24 -!- op2 [~op2@user/op2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
22:27 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:30 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd
22:32 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:32 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has joined #openbsd
22:32 -!- hjckr [~nikolay@195.24.93.179] has joined #openbsd
22:33 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:40 -!- Darkcipher [~Darkciphe@seve-27-b2-v4wan-172977-cust849.vm13.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:40 -!- Darkcipher [~Darkciphe@seve-27-b2-v4wan-172977-cust849.vm13.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openbsd
22:44 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
22:46 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has joined #openbsd
22:46 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:47 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:48 -!- at_work_ [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has joined #openbsd
22:49 -!- whiteman809 [~whiteman8@user-109-243-130-159.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
22:49 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:49 -!- whiteman808_ [~whiteman8@user-109-243-130-159.play-internet.pl] has joined #openbsd
22:50 -!- whiteman808_ is now known as whiteman809
22:50 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
22:51 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
22:53 -!- vlcg [~mirc-rc@user/vlcg] has quit [Quit: )]
22:53 -!- zami3l [~zami3l@tokyo.netunix.net] has quit [Quit: Bye]
22:55 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
22:55 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
23:02 -!- dsrt^ [~dsrt@99-73-20-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
23:05 -!- dsrt^ [~dsrt@99-73-20-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd
23:05 -!- zami3l [~zami3l@tokyo.netunix.net] has joined #openbsd
23:07 -!- mbuhl [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:08 -!- mbuhl [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has joined #openbsd
23:08 -!- mbuhl [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:09 -!- mbuhl [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has joined #openbsd
23:14 -!- adig_ [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
23:17 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
23:17 -!- adig_ [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
23:17 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
23:22 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
23:22 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:fa11:9201:3570:63e9:b5b4:9de0] has joined #openbsd
23:23 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has quit [Quit: wnh]
23:23 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd
23:27 -!- chiselfuse [~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:27 -!- chiselfuse [~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse] has joined #openbsd
23:33 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
23:36 < ssm_> anyone know the most "unixy" rss client that's ported? By unixy, dumping output to stdout and having an interface similar to nc(1), maybe not even barring nc(1) as an rss client
23:37 < ssm_> the net/toot port is a good example, but that's for mastodon
23:40  * tux0r takes notes on net/toot
23:41 < tux0r> wouldn't that be plan9y though?
23:41 < ssm_> if it had namespaces and plumbing I guess
23:45 < xse> aww 'rsstail' isn't ported :/ it was a single .c file with one random xml lib dependancy i recall using at some point
23:50 < ssm_> interesting, I'll port it
23:51 < ssm_> this appears to be python, not C. maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing
23:51 -!- lusciouslover [~lusciousl@2603:6080:d03:610d::1050] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:51 -!- lusciouslover [~lusciousl@2603:6080:d03:610d::1050] has joined #openbsd
23:52 < ssm_> think this is it https://github.com/folkertvanheusden/rsstail
23:53 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:54 < tvtoon> sfeed
23:54 < tvtoon> sfeed works anywhere on curses
23:54 < tvtoon> and it is a simple CLI, what you want
23:55 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p54855b3f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
23:55 < tvtoon> oh, and very important: it is the only one I found that can also do atom
23:55 -!- hygo [~hygo@152.250.155.64] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3]
23:56 -!- jfsimon [~jfsimon19@2a01:cb14:b9b:2000:152a:64f6:40a4:5cac] has joined #openbsd
23:57 < oldlaptop> ISTR that github repo (or rather its predecessor) vanished at one time
23:57 -!- slack0 [~slack0@user/slack0] has quit [Quit: bye]
23:58 < oldlaptop> the entire user it was under, in fact
--- Log closed Fri Aug 01 00:00:47 2025