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00:01 < tux0r> ah, github. where code goes to die.
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00:02 < Bradipo> That's curious... I've said the same thing many times in the past.
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00:03 < oldlaptop> https://github.com/oldlaptop/rsstail/commit/208a40f14005f26315050d2d9b9444bde6698db0 Still don't know what happened. Whatever the author eventually did to clean it up has retroactively taught github the new account made all the old commits
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00:06 < xse> oh that's weird - looks like the right one indeed!
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02:13 < worldhacker> hi all i am God Husband and The Eathquake guy Nice to Meet you all ... . your president and prime minister too , How Life been citizen ... .
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02:25 < AlaskanEmily> Haven't seen one of those since 2011.
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03:34 < crb_> I have some SCA hard disk that seems to still work but I'd like to get rid of them.  Is anyone in the Bay area who might like them to keep older hardware going?
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08:40 < carbonfiber> When using the nvi text editor, is it possible to prevent the "FILENAME: unmodified: line 1" text at the bottom of nvi, when opening a file?
08:54 < vortexx> I'm trying to set up nsd in a master / slave config for my routers, and the slaves don't seem to accept the notifications from the master. I've got logs turned up to 9 but all I get is notifications are failing from the master and then the slaves can't download updates. I'm using the example from the manpage for nsd.conf
08:57 < vortexx> nsd[14354]: xfrd: zone 11.168.192.in-addr.arpa: max notify send count reached, 192.168.11.3 unreachable
08:57 < vortexx> yet everything pings and routes over the wg VPNs as usual
08:58 < vortexx> (I was using isc-bind for this but decided to go all native and also get unbound-adblock going to needed nsd for my local zones)
08:58 < renaud> are udp/53 and tcp/53 both available
08:58 < vortexx> renaud: yes
08:59 < renaud> did you allow-notify?
08:59 < vortexx> nsd is listening on 8053/tcp and 8053/udp and is reachable 
08:59 < vortexx> yes
08:59 < renaud> ahh, you are not using normal ports
08:59 < renaud> hence why I said udp and tcp/53
09:00 < vortexx> oh do you think I need to specify in nsd.conf on the slaves for that?
09:00 < renaud> you need to notify and allow notfy on port 8053
09:00 < vortexx> and master
09:00 < vortexx> ok
09:01 < carneous> primary/secondary. nomenclature :)
09:04 < renaud> syntax is 192.168.11.3@8053
09:06 < vortexx> carneous: I'm a 90s guy :p
09:06 < renaud> don't forget the provide-xfr too
09:06 < vortexx> renaud: done thanks
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09:06 < vortexx> you know the weird thing is one router managed to download zone files anyway
09:06 < vortexx> without knowing the port
09:06 < renaud> by default, it downloads from 53
09:07 < renaud> it might have access to that port
09:09 < vortexx> yeah maybe unbound relayed that. Would explain the zone file being in binary
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09:10 < vortexx> xfrd: zone 11.168.192.in-addr.arpa. received error code REFUSED from 192.168.11.1@8053 ugh
09:12 < vortexx> https://termbin.com/hooi master conf
09:13 < vortexx> https://termbin.com/22dt slave conf
09:16 < vortexx> I do appreciate that nsd can just reuse BIND zone files without modification
09:16 < renaud> I rmemeber having issues with tsig with non standard ports
09:16 < vortexx> mh
09:17 < vortexx> I could remove tsig, I only put it in to see if it even improved anything
09:17 < vortexx> lemme see
09:19 < vortexx> nsd[88765]: xfrd: zone 11.168.192.in-addr.arpa: received notify response error REFUSED from 192.168.11.3@8053
09:19 < vortexx> that didn't really help, lol
09:22 < IcePic> wonder if "allow-notify" should have a port number, perhaps the outgoing request doesn't originate from this port?
09:22 < IcePic> a well-placed tcpdump could possibly help
09:22 < vortexx> (replaced the tsig with NOKEY for notify & provide-xfr on master and allow-notify & request-xfr on slave)
09:22 < vortexx> yeah I'm wondering about tcpdump too
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09:26 < vortexx> 11:25:28.906874 192.168.11.1.20802 > 192.168.11.3.8053: udp 150 (ttl 64, id 28452, len 178)
09:27 < vortexx> 11:25:28.920529 192.168.11.3.8053 > 192.168.11.1.20802: [udp sum ok] udp 12 (ttl 64, id 557, len 40)
09:27 < renaud> yes, allow-notify and allow-xfr need sto have the port
09:27 < vortexx> they seem to be talking to each other
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09:29 < renaud> I remember having issues with non standard ports too, but I changed everything at some point to use normal ports
09:29 < vortexx> I guess I could just make nsd listen on 53 for the wg ports and have unbound on the lan port
09:30 < renaud> that would be easier if you can
09:31 < vortexx> so long as it doesn't cause issues with the squid proxy I need when using the vpn, which it shouldn't as lan is accessible on vpn
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09:31 < vortexx> let me try that
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09:32 < vortexx> mh do I need localhost 53/tcp & 53/udp for unbound-adblock? 
09:32 < vortexx> since that uses unbound-control iirc
09:32 < vortexx> better leave it
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09:34 < vortexx> rIMpossible: if you've got additional blocklists for unbound-adblock I'm all takers
09:34 < renaud> you can get some RPZ zones
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09:35 < renaud> I have not used unbound-adblock, but https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists has some quite good RPZ
09:37 < renaud> they use "CNAME .", while I prefer "CNAME *.", but overall they are good
09:37 < vortexx> thanks renaud 
09:37 < vortexx> it started well but within a day twitter started showing ads again
09:38 < renaud> you can also use my DNS, I provide them for free
09:38 < renaud> nsec.arnor.org, it's available in DoH, DoH3, DoT, DoQ
09:39 < vortexx> cheers
09:40 < renaud> I have profiles for apple devices if you need them
09:40 < renaud> https://arnor.org/pub/arnor-DoH.mobileconfig https://arnor.org/pub/arnor-DoT.mobileconfig
09:42 < vortexx> you know I still haven't gotten round to doing wg on my newish (6 months) android phone. I'd love to know why the app didn't migrate it's config. I still have the old phone, should root around for where it's stashed it
09:43 < vortexx> (it's a public holiday where I am today, so I may actually get a few things done)
09:43 < vortexx> I'll see if my parents want your services for the apple devices in a couple of weeks, thanks for the offer renaud 
09:44 < renaud> no problem
09:45 < renaud> it's hosted in CH, FR and IT
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09:48 < vortexx> I appreciate the hostname :)
09:48 < renaud> it seems DoH profile on apple devices succesfuly tries to use DoH3 thanks to the alt-svc
09:48 < renaud> so DoH profile is probably better
09:48 < vortexx> DoH3=DoH over http3?
09:49 < renaud> yes
09:49 < vortexx> right
09:49 < renaud> DoQ is DNS over QUIC, uses port 853 udp
09:49 < renaud> but almost no client supports this yet
09:50 < renaud> and android only supports DoT unless cloudflare or googledns which are hardcoded
09:52 < vortexx> ok once I've ajusted all the configs with 53 and not 8053 it all seems to work, including with tsig, thanks for the help
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10:00 < vortexx> wg starts before nsd because network comes up first right? 
10:02 < IcePic> if you use hostname.wgX then it should be started before daemons, yes
10:04 < vortexx> that's what I do, thanks
10:04 < vortexx> and yeah I try to stick to orthodoxy when it comes to OpenBSD networking, although I'm not (yet) using routing domains
10:07 < vortexx> written received XFR packet from 192.168.11.1 with serial 2025033102 to disk <-- slightly odd, it claims to write to disk but there's nothing in /var/nsd/zones/slave though. Resolving works
10:08 < renaud> vortexx: just a side note, my DNS will block IDN domains to fight homograph attacks
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10:13 < renaud> so, don't try to use 護目鏡.com :)
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10:14 < vortexx> don't worry I stick to ansi for that :p
10:15 < renaud> I haven't had any single issue blocking IDNs
10:15 < renaud> I also block other stuff to prevent DNS tunelling, but it's unlikely to cause issues
10:17 < vortexx> ah DNS tunnelling... I remember some bloke back in like 1999 who figured that out to help a friend who wanted irc access but working at a bank couldn't do that without DNS tunnelling as that was one of the rare ports allowedd outbound
10:17 < vortexx> those were the days :P
10:17 < vortexx> I should try that on airport gated wifi
10:17 < renaud> it's really slow
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10:18 < renaud> it's faster if you do an ssh socks proxy with compression inside the tunnel, but still quite slow nowadays
10:19 < renaud> it seems many russians have turned to DNS tunnels to access non russian approved sites
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10:27 < vortexx> renaud: I imagine people in the UK will soon (if not already) be joining them on that
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10:29 < IcePic> good for obsda.ms business! =)
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10:30 < IcePic> brits signing up in droves
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10:32 < renaud> they are signing for VPNs, not DNS tunnelling
10:33 < IcePic> so they get an obsd vm in the netherlands, then vpn via it and get to pr0nhub without id
10:36 < renaud> I somehow doubt that much people will get a VPS at obsda.ms just to VPN with it
10:36 < renaud> more like "Proton VPN became the UK's most-downloaded free app on Apple's App Store over the weekend with downloads up 1,800 per cent"
10:36 < andrath> Vultr has OpenBSD support, and you can spawn VPSes in remote places
10:38 < vortexx> just wait till the DSA kicks in hard in the EU, obsd.ms might be in trouble then
10:38 < vortexx> even .ch is looking at doing a "give us all your metadata" act
10:38 < vortexx> (which I hope a referendum will kill, but getting normies awake on this is *hard*
10:38 < vortexx> )
10:42 < renaud> yes, .ch is operating some strange moves recently
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10:44 < renaud> it's amazing the number of people who still buy the physical speedway vignette instead of the electronic one
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10:53 < vortexx> renaud: shall we move the convo to #openbsd-social ?
10:53 < vortexx> soory was hving brekkie
10:54 < vortexx> s/hving/having
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11:00 < vortexx> s/soory/sorry
11:00 < vortexx> damn my typing today...
11:01 < renaud> and you forget the trailing / too :)
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11:06 < vortexx> heh
11:07 < vortexx> and yeah I think the sticker has become part of Swiss identity so people like to have it on their car
11:07 < vortexx> bit like the french pollution test one
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12:04 < renaud> vortexx: I hate having the french pollution one on my car, even if it's the green one. I take the swiss elctronic one since it's available.
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12:16 < vortexx> renaud: I understand fully!
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13:30 < oldlaptop> if we go on a trip somewhere, we don't need stickers - you can tell where our cars are from by the trail of rust flakes on the road
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13:33 < renaud>  in France, they use that "eco" sticker to put fines easier by scanning the QR code on it. That's probably why there is no electronic one available
13:33 < renaud> in Switzerland, it's just to prove you paid the taxes for using speedways
13:36 < renaud> many people find Switzerland vignette expensive, but that's probably because they never calculated how much it costs to use the speedway in France
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18:57 < ssm_> I was messing with www/lynx as a potential replacement to www/{links+,w3m}, I was wondering why I couldn't get mailcap to do anything... turns out the port is extremely restricted, calling any external program is disabled, meaning any sort of mime-handling with mailcap is impossible without modifying the port.
19:02 < thrig> my w3m is also modified to not be able to run external programs
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19:19 < humm> my first kernel panic \o/  panic: kernel diagnostic assertion "p->p_wchan == NULL" failed: file "/usr/src/sys/kern/kern_sched.c", line 369
19:23 < Bradipo> humm: What version of OpenBSD?
19:25 < humm> a recently updated snapshot
19:28 < humm> I started Minetest and maximized its windows (for the first time; I don’t know if it worked before), upon which the X server became unusable—I could still move the pointer, but otherwise the screen froze; I then connected via SSH and killed the X server; following that, it paniced
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19:57 < Bradipo> Interesting...
19:58 < Bradipo> There seems to be a potential bug with ssh-keyscan.
19:58 < Bradipo> Prior to upgrading to 7.7, ssh-keyscan would output undiscovered key types with a comment on stderr.
19:58 < Bradipo> But now with 7.7 ssh-keyscan outputs the comment on stdout!
19:59 < Bradipo> This actually caused some failures in some of our automated monitoring because the output changed.
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20:03 < Bradipo> Also, this comment seems to be backwards: https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/commit/1e84d0cf40e94ae3a77d6a7ca8c036d8e3d55a40
20:03 < Bradipo> Seems like the comment should be "make host/banner comments go to stdout instead of stderr"
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21:16 < Bradipo> Is there any way to have restore display the permissions on the files when using -t?
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23:04 < andrath> if people wa
23:04 < andrath> if people want to play with qtile on openbsd, my ports are here: https://github.com/ekollof/openbsd-ports
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