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03:43 < C0LDER> hi
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04:04 < seninha> Hi. I am installing obsd on a computer with 2 disks: a SSD and a HDD. I want to split the installation over those: /, /usr, and /usr/local on a fdisk partition on the SSD; and /home and /var on an encrypted softraid partition on the HDD. At the installer, i can only select a single disk to place the single fdisk partition where the disklabel partitions are created. How can I achieve the scheme i want?
04:05 < Bradipo> seninha: Can you get into the shell and use fdisk/disklabel for the second disk and label the partitions?
04:06 < Bradipo> Otherwise, you could just install to the SDD, and then post-install reorganize the partitions and mount the second drive.
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04:06 < seninha> Bradipo, yes. That's how i created the RAID partition on the HDD
04:06 < Bradipo> The trouble with having a second drive is that I don't know if you can do automatic crypto RAID during boot this way.
04:07 < seninha> My issue is with the installer to get the mount points and decrypt the raid at boot.
04:07 < seninha> Bradipo, hmm.
04:08 < seninha> I found a blogpost that the author decrypts at /etc/rc.local, but that's past the boot.
04:10 < Bradipo> Right, that's past boot.  You can do it that way I suppose.  Does it prompt for the password?
04:13 < seninha> I think so.
04:13 < seninha> Here's the post: https://astro-gr.org/openbsd-encrypt-home/
04:13 < seninha> I'd like that to be done at boot, tho. If possible.
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04:46 < seninha> (01AM, be back installing tomorrow^Wat morning)
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06:57 < echelon> how long is it supposed to be stuck at.. reordering: ld.so libc libcrypto sshd sshd-session
06:58 < echelon> and is it supposed to hang at every boot?
07:03 < IcePic> hang no, time depends on cpu power and disk perf I guess
07:03 < echelon> yeah, cpu is kind of underpowered
07:05 < IcePic> I think there is an rc.conf.local option to not reorder at every boot, so you could suffer it once and then not redo it until next upgrade for instance
07:05 < IcePic> then you still have a for-you unique setup at least
07:07 < echelon> syspatch: cannot apply patches while reorder_kernel is running ..how is it still running -__-
07:07 < IcePic> library_aslr=NO in /etc/rc.conf.local should do it
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07:08 < echelon> how is it still reordering if I'm at the shell
07:08 < ivdsangen> kernel reordering runs in the background after booting
07:09 < echelon> well it gave me the impression it was done
07:16 < mischief> library reordering happens synchronously at boot
07:17 < mischief> kernel reordering happens asynchronously, to take effect on the *next* boot
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07:31 < kuzdra> ohhh, i thought there was just one ASLR process, but the kernel one happens unconditionally and async'ly. that explains why my system is so slugish a few minutes after booting!
07:32 < kuzdra> note to self: library_aslr=NO doesn't disable kernel ASLR, it's virtually the last command in /etc/rc
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07:42 < echelon> i don't get it.. in top the ld process is only at 0.20%, what's it even doing?
07:43 < kuzdra> i/o?
07:44 < echelon> how do i check
07:44 < echelon> that must be the bottleneck, it's an emmc
07:47 < kuzdra> echelon: iostat, systat
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08:12 < mischief> if you are on such a slow disk, perhaps better to disable it
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08:25 < echelon> disable what, library_aslr? already did
08:28 < kuzdra> according to the logs, on my small slow system with Celeron N3450 @ 1.10GHz and eMMC, it takes 3 minutes for reorder_kernel to complete
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08:40 < echelon> kuzdra: i have the same chip.. zimaboard?
08:43 < echelon> the next generation of N150 is @ 3.6GHz .. probably same old slow emmc
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09:05 < il> What do people here who host their own pastebins use?
09:13 < mischief> it's tradition to write your own ;-)
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09:20 < kuzdra> echelon: exactly right (-: old ZMB-832
09:21 < echelon> same
09:21 < echelon> im half tempted to install the os to an ssd and just have the emmc be used for the efi partition
09:23 < kuzdra> echelon: honestly, i don't know how much difference does it make, but i set noatime on all partitions too
09:23 < kuzdra> cool, let us know if you do (SSD install) and how much does it change, echelon 
09:24 < kuzdra> il: my own 100L script that webdavs a file to a remote http server
09:25 < il> very interesting
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09:27 < kuzdra> il: termbin.com and 0x0.st are both open-source. you can host any yourself too
09:28 < il> Yeah, 0x0.st is blocking me for some reason, termbin doesn't host binary files
09:28 < il> that's why I asked in the first place heh
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09:30 < kuzdra> il: https://git.0x0.st/mia/0x0 in n/a for you too? well, you can work it around, you know. you said pastebin--i assumed text hosting
09:31 < il> I could self-host 0x0, if that's what you're asking
09:31 < il> what I meant is that I just get 'User agent not allowed.' error when I try to curl to 0x0
09:32 < kuzdra> there is smth in the ports too, apparently: https://openports.pl/path/www/purritobin
09:33 < il> ooh
09:33 < kuzdra> il: ah, i thought you couldn't open the 0x0.st page to check a link to its source code (-: that error should be easy to fix on both client and server side, shall you decide to host it
09:34 < il> purritobin looks like it might fit
09:35 < il> max paste size 64kb heh
09:36 < il> yeah, this is meant for text only as well, I need a file host, really
09:36 < il> the simplest would probably be webdav or sftp + httpd
09:45 < zwr> il: catbox.moe has a 200MiB limit and accepts any filetype
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09:57 < il> good tip, I just added the catbox bash script into my path
09:57 < il> this ought to be good enough...
10:02 < kuzdra> i thought you said you wanted to selfhost, il 
10:02 < il> Well, I never said that hah
10:02 < il> I was just looking at options for self hosting
10:03 < il> I would've preferred using generalized tools for uploading (like curl for 0x0 or netcat for termbin), but this is okay
10:05 < zwr> I happen to have spent the last week writing a script that uploads files to randomly selected free file hosts. It's not complete though, it's missing MIME type handling because some services only handle certain filetypes, I want to add support for paste services, and I want it to retry with a different service when one fails. Right now I'm writing code to provide an option to filter by file duration because 
10:05 < zwr> some services only host for 1 hour and others claim to hold the files indefinitely
10:06 < il> zwr: very very interesting idea!
10:06 < il> Try to remember to ping me if you end up sharing the script publicly
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10:24 < zwr> il: https://github.com/guijan/uloady https://www.npmjs.com/package/uloady
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10:58 < tralala> I'm running a freshly installed openbsd in a VM, but I ran out of disk space on the /usr partition. I'm trying to resize it by booting the install iso, but even though dmesg says sd0 is found I have no /dev/sd0 file
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11:03 < sibiria> sd0c
11:03 < sibiria> sd0a
11:03 < sibiria> sd0e
11:03 < sibiria> etc.
11:03 < sibiria> you need to add a label definition to the devive
11:03 < sibiria> device*
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11:06 < mischief> tralala: better to just reinstall.
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12:33 < kuzdra> also: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#disklabel && https://man.openbsd.org/disklabel
12:33 < kuzdra> > The ‘c’ partition describes the entire physical disk, is automatically created by the kernel, and cannot be modified or deleted by disklabel. By convention, the ‘a’ partition of the boot disk is the root partition, and the ‘b’ partition of the boot disk is the swap partition, but all other letters can be used in any order for any other partitions as desired.
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16:51 < parai> heya guys, im trying to install openbsd on a raspberry pi 4b
16:51 < parai> i've got a miniroot burnt onto a sd card
16:51 < parai> and then the root on a usb attached to the pi
16:51 < parai> i'm planning on encrypting it with a keydisk
16:52 < parai> but the problem is the pi doesn't want to boot when 2 usb sticks are in
16:52 < parai> by which i mean that uboot does not correctly detect which device to use
16:52 < parai> anyone know how i can specify a certain device for uboot to pick
16:52 < parai> i've tried devnum=0; run usb_boot but nothing
16:53 < parai> also tried devnum=1 and still anything
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16:53 < parai> it looks like usb booting fails and it moves on to try other boot targets like dhcp or pxe
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19:54 < seninha> Hi. I am installing obsd on a computer with 2 disks: a SSD and a HDD. I want to split the installation over those: /, /usr, and /usr/local on a fdisk partition on the SSD; and /home and /var on an encrypted softraid partition on the HDD. At the installer, i can only select a single disk to place the single fdisk partition where the disklabel partitions are created. How can I achieve the scheme i want?
19:54 < seninha> I have created the RAID partition during installation, by dropping into the shell.
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19:55 < seninha> Can I get the disk decrypted at boot, just like as if i had a full installation on a single fdisk partition?
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20:31 < sonya> seninha: i only can assume that it's quite possible, but require some tweaks/experiments.. proceed install as if you don't have hdd, then create an encrypted partition/fdisk for /home and /var at hdd and try to automount'em with /etc/rc.securelevel (as an example).. $ man bioctl (-p and/or -s options) could help with automount  script..
20:32 < seninha> sonya, that's a solution i have saw on a blogpost: mounting at rc(8)
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20:32 < seninha> Doesnt that may lead to issue on sysupgrade?
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20:33 < seninha> It will upgrade /var on the SSD, but not the to-be-mounted/decrypted partition.
20:35 < seninha> s/.$/?/ # The message above was supposed to be a question
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20:37 < Lucas_> you can try that behaviour easily in vmm
20:39 < seninha> I think I will install / together with /home and /var, and just keep /usr and /usr/local unencrypted at the SSD, that may lead to less isues.
20:40 < seninha> The idea is for installed programs be loaded faster on memory, thus on a plain SSD partition.
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20:48 < seninha> (And also for the kernel to load faster)
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22:15 < echelon> hi, im trying to get a list of disks. when i do sysctl hw.disknames, i get sd0:rd0:xxxxxx,sd1:xxxxxx,sd2:xxxxx
22:16 < echelon> when i do disklabel sd0, i get /dev/rsd0: No such file or directory ..what's the deal?
22:18 < il> The expected place to put env variables is ~/.profile?
22:18 < il> I was using ~/.kshrc and it wasn't working, this seems to work.
22:21 < sonya> disklabel -vh sd0 --> # /dev/rsd0c:
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22:23 < echelon> sonya: thanks, for some reason it populated after i ran install
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22:25 < echelon> quick question.. if i want to wipe out a disk and its partition table, would i have to just so.. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd1c ?
22:25 < echelon> just do*
22:27 < sibiria> yes, and technically no need to zero the entire disk for that. all partitions and labels will be nominally gone if you just delete the first few megabytes
22:28 < echelon> thanks!
22:30 < echelon> it keeps failing to install bootblocks
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22:49 < echelon> kuzdra: the difference between emmc vs ssd is night and day
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22:50 < echelon> i don't know if it's because openbsd isn't optimized for performance on emmc, but i've run linux distros on the zimaboards, and they run fine
22:52 < sibiria> modern eMMC is pretty snappy. but it really isn't comparable to fast SATA or NVMe SSD
22:53 < echelon> the issue i've been trying to deal with was the crawling speed on openbsd, it takes around five to 10 minutes to do kernel library aslr
22:53 < sibiria> on my pinebook pro's eMMC linux can reach to about 250 mb/sec. openbsd perhaps half at best
22:54 < sibiria> that sounds worse than SD
22:55 < sibiria> my super old pine a64 runs kernel/libs relinking on microSD faster than that
22:57 < echelon> if you want to try your hand at it.. https://shop.zimaspace.com/products/zimaboard-single-board-server they usually have discounts
22:57 < sonya> and sd cards in general suck vs emms..
23:01 < sonya> and so am i with blind typing.. well, have a nice eve..
23:02 < sibiria> looks like a neat board
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