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06:30 < cs_0x6373> quick question: is there a way to force the use of SSH_ASKPASS for password entry as well? (no keys with passphrase involved)
06:31 < cs_0x6373> i have a system where i can't use ssh keys (don't ask) and i would like a graphical popup to see when the session gets established
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06:36 < lts> AFAIK passphrase is asked on the client side only and server cannot detect has the incoming key been opened with a passphrase or not
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06:36 < quinq> cs_0x6373, SSH_ASKPASS_REQUIRE=prefer
06:36 < lts> Ah damnit, I misread
06:37 < quinq> That's ok
06:39  * zelest is curious if it's really a system that can't use ssh keys or if it's a set of users who can't use ssh keys. :D
06:39 < quinq> jaja
06:40 < quinq> “users who can't use ssh keys”, I don't think that's something, unless your users are maybe podlings
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06:45 < zelest> More like "I run Windows and I can't just take that ssh-key to putty without converting it and bah, this is needs to be fixed NOW.. I don't care about keys.. just get this stuff up and running NOW."
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07:02 < TommyC> Putty needs ssh keys converted?
07:02  * TommyC only used putty once with passwords
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07:07 < IcePic> TommyC: I think putty usually makes RFC1234-style keys while openssh uses .. "ssh keys". You can convert between them though
07:07 < IcePic> where I don't recall the RFC number for secsh, but in ssh-keygen manpage you'll see them mentioned with whatever the number was
07:07 < TommyC> ah ok
07:08 < IcePic> 4716
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07:43 < radhitya> how to implement domain.com/~user on httpd?
07:46 < zelest> you don't :)
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08:54 < nerfur> bigato: thanks will try 
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09:01 < cs_0x6373> quinq: i use the command "SSH_ASKPASS_REQUIRE=prefer SSH_ASKPASS=/Users/cs/bin/getpass ssh somewhere", but i just get the normal password prompt
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09:58 < gt> the fact that it's 2025 and putty can't simply support regular ssh keys created with ssh-keygen is beyond comprehension
09:59 < gt> i've had to do that silly conversion plenty of times, i think it's ppk format or something
10:00 < gt> those are more or less the consequences of developing software that's for windows only... it's going to make you retarded across the board
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10:12 < poh> ha
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10:18 < renaud> gt: putty is available under OpenBSD or linux
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10:18 < renaud> I sometimes use it to ssh into old machines which don't support newer protocols
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10:42 < AmyMalik> no gt... this is not a case of "being [mentally challenged] across the board". this is a case of - the idioms are different, and those different idioms mean that different things are idiomatic to do. on windows, nobody used to use the standard formats for SSH things, so putty could go with what was most efficient, without worrying about compatibility with standard tools on unix.
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10:50 < sibiria> i kinda agree with it being retarded, in the literal sense of the word. it has failed (or worse, refused) to reconcile with the reality that the world runs on openssh
10:51 < gt> AmyMalik: let me guess, you paint your hair blue? 
10:53 < sibiria> heck, even windows itself uses openssh today
10:55 < AmyMalik> gt, what would it matter if I did?
10:56 < AmyMalik> by the way: no, I'm a natural dirty-blonde
10:58 < IcePic> when putty was written, it did not come with an sshd, so wherever putty was meant to be used, it was an (open)sshd at the other end
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10:58 < IcePic> not going with the format that ssh uses was silly, blue hair or not
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10:59 < IcePic> if it was some kind of "stashed array of doublewords in the registry" that could have been the usual windows crap, but this was just "lets choose an alternate type and see if it wins over the existing 2394823934 installations of sshd or not?"
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13:16 < cs_0x6373> gt: out of curiosity (no native english speaker here), what does dirty-blonde mean here? Just darker blonde?
13:18 < TommyC> cs_0x6373: blonde with some brown/brunette hair mixed in
13:18 < cs_0x6373> thx
13:19 < sibiria> where i come from we just call it dark blonde
13:21 < cs_0x6373> btw: is .ppk really only used by PuTTY? There were some commercial SSH implementations a long time ago.
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13:22 < cs_0x6373> i'm just glad that on modern windows servers OpenSSH is available as well and there is no need for PuTTY or WinSCP to do transfers etc to the linux/bsd world anymore
13:23 < cs_0x6373> now they only need a good terminal
13:23 < sibiria> and a sane operating system
13:23 < cs_0x6373> one step at a time :)
13:25 < cs_0x6373> more on-topic: is there a auditing system available for OpenBSD? Like auditing syscalls/users/filesystem events/... and sending them to a remote host or log them?
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13:26 < TommyC> syslog?
13:27 < sibiria> there is accounting as well. it's rather limited, but it provides some utility all the same
13:28 < cs_0x6373> i'm really looking into auditing each exec* syscall (with arguments, UID, real UID, ...) and stuff like that to get a complete(!) trail of what is happening on a system
13:29 < TommyC> I don't know enough about it but does pledge() not do what you seek?
13:29 < cs_0x6373> i took a deeper look at MS Defender for Linux, which utilises BPF to do that, but Linux auditing could provide the same information.
13:29 < ssm_> cs_0x6373: ktrace(1)?
13:29 < ssm_> oh yeah we have dt(4)
13:30 < cs_0x6373> ssm_: this is really going into the direction i think
13:30 < ssm_> read bf(5) on how to invoke commands with btrace(8)
13:30 < cs_0x6373> when did dt become available?
13:31 < ssm_> 6.7
13:31 < ssm_> so... ~5 years ago?
13:31 < TommyC> sounds about right
13:32 < cs_0x6373> will take a look at that, thanks for the hint
13:32 < ssm_> s/bf(5)/bt(5)
13:33 < cs_0x6373> Nice: "The dialect of the BT language described in this manual and supported by btrace(8) is compatible with BPFtrace.  The syntax is similar to awk(1) and dtrace."
13:33 < ssm_> the bf(5) manpage contains a BPFtrace reference guide. kind of annoying it's not documented locally, but whatever
13:34 < ssm_> s/bf(5)/bt(5), again
13:35 < cs_0x6373> ssm_: do you have something auditing-like setup somewhere or do you just use it for bug-hunting etc?
13:36 < ssm_> cs_0x6373: I messed with it a few releases ago and vaguely remembered it existed because of your question :>
13:37 < ssm_> I'll likely be using it more though as/if I make progress on this devboard I'm working on
13:37 < cs_0x6373> ssm_: good enough for me, thanks for the hint
13:38 < cs_0x6373> i configured auditing on Solaris and HP-UX (back when Linux was the minority) and recently configured it on AIX.
13:39 < cs_0x6373> Now that we get production systems with OpenBSD as well i might need this
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14:36 < puffybuf> I need pci network cards that get at least 2000 mbps
14:37 < sibiria> openbsd can saturate 2.5 GbE on realtek RTL8125 pretty easily
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14:46 < lts> That is not PCI though
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14:48 < sonya> cs_0x6373, may be $ man 8 accton  .. could help a bit
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14:55 < sibiria> lts: surely he meant pcie?
14:57 < lts> I know enough legacy hardware ethusiasts that I've learned not to assume :-) 
14:57 < sibiria> i'm sure he meant pcie because pci cannot reach those transfer speeds
14:57 < lts> I'd actually have a 4x1Gb pci card
14:58 < sibiria> caps out at 133 mb/sec
14:58 < sibiria> on 32 bit bus at least
14:58 < lts> Yeah, needs 64-bit
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16:54 < mischief> i have a https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BZCVC9B4?th=1 (in the same linux machine i am typing on) which is pretty much the same nic that's in my odroid-h2 (running openbsd)
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20:31 < housemate> hi could any body please tell me how I may disabled acpitz?
20:33 < mischief> man 8 boot_config
20:33 < mischief> man 8 config
20:33 < housemate> I have seen this, although I cannot have it work. it just doesn't seem to.
20:35 < housemate> how do I enable boot_config please..?
20:38 < mischief> it says how right at the top of the manual
20:39 < sibiria> it's /etc/bsd.re-config
20:39 < sibiria> it won't happen until next reboot
20:39 < sibiria> the usual caveat of reconfiguring the kernel apply
20:43 < housemate> when I press down the c key on during booting, it drops me into a shell of sorts, and it is named as the UKC.
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20:44 < sibiria> that's the real time configuration interface
20:44 < housemate> although the cursor of the terminal is unsteady and looks jittery or bugged, also I am not capable of typing anything.
20:44 < housemate> I see...
20:45 < housemate> so I should create a file at this path, /etc/bsd.re-config simply with a single line in it declaring
20:45 < housemate> ;
20:45 < housemate> disable acpitz?
20:45 < sibiria> bsd.re-config takes the same commands as the real time config prompt. except it won't happen in real time at boot
20:46 < Bradipo> It will happen on the 2nd reboot.
20:46 < sibiria> it's applied when relinking
20:46 < housemate> yes. I realise this.
20:46 < housemate> oh during relinking...
20:47 < Bradipo> And relinking happens after a reboot.  Which means that the first reboot will relink, and the second reboot will have your change in the kernel.
20:47 < housemate> hmm. so if it create this file, with what I require within it. thenhow may I have the system relink the kernel?
20:47 < housemate> oh I see.
20:47 < housemate> what is the proper means of disabling acpitz then please..?
20:48 < housemate> is it just this?
20:48 < uwharrie> yes
20:48 < housemate> within that file
20:48 < housemate> disable acpitz..?
20:49 < housemate> it is due to a core temperature 0C exceeded error I am experiencing attempting to operate this on my arm64 type processor equip laptop.
20:49 < Bradipo> Does "disable acpitz" work at the >boot prompt?
20:49 < Bradipo> The boot> prompt even.
20:49 < housemate> some of you may recall me complaining of this same issue some while ago
20:49 < housemate> I will try.
20:50 < housemate> this is horrible I need a functioning laptop.
20:50 < Bradipo> If "disable acpitz" works at the boot> prompt (when using boot -c), then it should work with bsd.re-config as well.
20:51 < uwharrie> not sure if the same discussion, but in a recent one on the same/a similar issue, the commentary was that this may allow booting to collect information for a bug report, but it's not something you want to run with otherwise
20:52 < Bradipo> housemate: Are you saying that because of acpitz your system is shutting down and you want to disable that?
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21:00 < housemate> yes
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21:00 < Bradipo> Will that cause your laptop to overheat?
21:01 < Bradipo> Or are you saying there's some kind of bug?
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21:08 < housemate> I am unsure, Bradipo.
21:09 < housemate> I was told that this was due to the bsd kernel not being capable of scaling the processor's operating clock cycle.
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21:12 < Bradipo> I don't know if that's good or bad, sounds bad... did you also send an email to misc@?
21:12 < Bradipo> But you can certainly take a chance and disable it.
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21:15 < uwharrie> the intent of driver is to prevent thermal damage to the system. it's unclear what the consequences of running without it would be
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21:38 < el_pepe> is it possible to enable usb passthrough for a usb flash drive inside a qemu image on OBSD?
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21:51 < uwharrie> no
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21:55 < el_pepe> uwharrie: thanks man
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22:13 < ssm_> how do I deal with firewalling the variable port numbers for mountd? I can't find a port range anywhere, and I can't find a way to force port numbers
22:15 < Bradipo> firewalling?  Or permitting?
22:17 < ssm_> policy based routing, I guess?
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22:18 < Bradipo> Are you running mountd on an publicly exposed interface? :-)
22:18 < ssm_> I want to make a rule like `block; pass in on wg0 from some_wg_addr port mountd to wg0`
22:18 < ssm_> no, over wireguard
22:19 < ssm_> currently I'm just passing everything on wg0 because of this
22:20 < Bradipo> I see.  So wg0 is otherwise firewalled completely and you want just a few ports allowed through?
22:20 < ssm_> yes
22:20 < Bradipo> This sounds a lot like the FTP problem...
22:20 < Bradipo> For which there was ftpsesame.
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22:21 < ssm_> I could just create an entire separate wg(4) device just for nfs I suppose
22:21 < Bradipo> How would that resolve it though?
22:21 < ssm_> a bit stinky but it works
22:22 < ssm_> wg0 is firewalled, wg1 just does nfs... I guess that means wg1 is passing everything though
22:22 < ssm_> dang
22:23 < Bradipo> mountd does say it listens to the port indicated in the NFS server specification.
22:24 < Bradipo> Can that not be allowed to pass while blocking other things?
22:24 < Bradipo> Or does mountd work similar to how ftpd in passive mode works?
22:25 < Bradipo> ftpd(8) mentions sysctl for net.inet.ip.porthifirst and net.inet.ip.porthilast.
22:25 < Bradipo> I wonder if mountd could also be taught to use those...
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22:41 < nerfur> housemate: what laptop is it ? 
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