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00:05 < tk> Are there nicely adjusted low-res versions of the OpenBSD logo?
00:05 < tk> (scaling down an SVG doesn't necessarily produce a good result, so that's why I mean adjusted - adjusted to look good)
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00:49 < tvtoon> tk: check the lyrics page
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00:57 < tk> Can't see anything there that looks like a scaled down logo.
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08:52 < kuzdra> Alas, not here, among other BSDs, either: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aedent%2FSuperTinyIcons+bsd+path%3A%2F^images\%2Fsvg\%2F%2F&type=code
08:52 < kuzdra> tk: raster or vector wanted?
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10:09 < bsund> Have you stopped masturbating you monkeys?!
10:11 < zelest> Masturbation is perfectly normal, go away.
10:12 < bsund> so
10:12 < bsund> how many fps in quake?
10:13 < quinq> 24
10:13 < bsund> i guess it is ok
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10:15 < bsund> is that with latest driver though?
10:15 < bsund> on misc
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10:16 < bsund> no wait on risc
10:17 < zelest> eh?
10:17 < bsund> lo
10:18 < bsund> no 77 song
10:19 < zelest> was a while since they made songs
10:19 < quinq> Could produce music with LLM
10:19 < bsund> ted is noalive?
10:20 < zelest> 6.2 was last song iirc.
10:20 < bsund> teo?!
10:20 < zelest> oh, 7.3 even
10:21 < bsund> Theo de laad
10:21 < zelest> here to troll or what am I missing?
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10:21 < bsund> ya
10:21 < zelest> figured
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10:22 < bsund> allways went into #openbsd said stupid thing got kicked
10:22 < zelest> what for?
10:22 < bsund> competition i guess
10:22 < zelest> don't you have more important things to do?
10:23 < zelest> what or who are you completing with?
10:23 < bsund> nah dead already
10:23 < zelest> so, being kicked is the goal?
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10:23 < zelest> or how does one win?
10:24 < bsund> m-x tetris
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10:25 < bsund> oh wait that is not according to the rules
10:25 < zelest> what isn't?
10:26 < bsund> do you emacs have tetris?
10:26 < zelest> I don't use emacs
10:26 < bsund> simplest exploit
10:26 < bsund> i sit in debian
10:27 < bsund> they have emacs with tetris nowadays
10:27 < zelest> how is this related to OpenBSD?
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10:27 < bsund> is wayland in openbsd?
10:28 < zelest> Yes
10:28 < bsund> hmm
10:28 < bsund> systemd?
10:28 < zelest> https://bsd.network/@matthieu/114971440972220889
10:28 < zelest> no
10:28 < bsund> :P
10:28 < zelest> luckily
10:29 < bsund> init 6?
10:30 < bsund> is theo active?
10:31 < bsund> i saw picture with linus and bill
10:31 < bsund> know the story bout ian
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10:33 < bsund> also just thinking about the thing when support meant a beer or some bitcoins, you guys must be rich
10:33 < bsund> no wait i meant init 7
10:34 < bsund> i just do systemctl fuckoff
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10:37 < kuzdra> zelest: please don't feed them, ignore
10:38 < zelest> yeah, mainly tried to trigger him to go over the edge so I had a reason to get rid of him.. :P
10:38 < zelest> i should've just kicked in the first place
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10:40 < kuzdra> Ah, already kicked out, I see now. Thanks (-:
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10:49 < housemate> what else did I required to do since to bring my networking to function when I connect my phone to my laptop with the mode set to USB tethering?
10:49 < housemate> please...
10:49 < housemate> it does not *just work*.
10:49 < housemate> etc...
10:49 < IcePic> does the urndis0 interface appear when you run ifconfig?
10:51 < housemate> yes.
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10:52 < IcePic> then you should be able to dhclient urndis0 and get an ip from your phone
10:52 < IcePic> dhclient => dhcpleasectl 
10:52 < zelest> dhcpleasectl*
10:52 < zelest> bah, you were too quick :D
10:52 < housemate> oh I see.
10:52 < housemate> thanks!!!
10:55 < IcePic> I think that last step should be manual, so that noone can just insert a "network" usb device and suddenly all your laptop traffic goes over it without your intervention
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11:05 < mrbubzie> Holy crap openbsd and FreeBSD are merging
11:05 < mrbubzie> Into one project
11:05 < mrbubzie> I don’t know if I should be scared or excited
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11:09 < renaud> we are already 1st of April?
11:09 < vortexx> I need to get my wg1 interface in debug mode, I did ifconfig wg1 debug but it's not logging anything either to /var/log/daemon, /var/log/messages or dmesg, where should I look?
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11:11 < housemate> it says /dev/dhcpleased.sock connection refused.
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11:11 < housemate> IcePic
11:12 < IcePic> see if you have dhcpleased running?
11:12 < housemate> ps -A ?
11:13 < housemate> no it isn't.
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11:14 < housemate> got it.
11:14 < housemate> what is the fw update thing?
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11:17 < zelest> It updates the firmware :)
11:17 < sibiria> or it gets the hose again
11:18 < zelest> also, now that you mention it.. what's the most correct way: 'dhcpleasectl if0' or 'ifconfig if0 autoconf' ?
11:19 < sibiria> they do different things from the start
11:19 < sibiria> the latter will set the autoconf flag, which dhclient will react to from that point on
11:19 < sibiria> the former just tells it to ask for a lease here and now
11:20 < zelest> uhm..
11:20 < zelest> how is that different?
11:20 < zelest> both poke dhcpleased and cause a lease
11:20 < sibiria> dhcpleasectl doesn't turn on the autconf flag for the interface?
11:20 < zelest> when the lease expires, its renewed
11:20 < quinq> No renew
11:20 < zelest> o_O
11:20 < zelest> I'm quite sure it will try to renew it
11:22 < sibiria> does asking it to issue a request also turn the flag on the interface on?
11:22 < sibiria> i don't think it did in the past at least
11:22 < zelest> no, I don't think it does
11:23 < quinq> Would have to read the code, the man-page is a bit light
11:23 < quinq> s/page/&s/
11:23 < sibiria> from my perspective, the correct way is the hostname.if way. which is the same as setting the flag ad-hoc with ifconfig
11:24 < quinq> Well, that's not necessarily exclusive
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11:24 < quinq> You can set it for future reboot, but also activate it for this session with ifconfig
11:25 < sibiria> right i'm merely saying, hostname.if invokes ifconfig
11:25 < quinq> But also, does dhcpleased re-read interfaces state at runtime?
11:25 < zelest> yep
11:25 < sibiria> yes it does
11:25 < quinq> ok, nice
11:25 < sibiria> same with slaacd in the case of autoconf6
11:25 < zelest> "dhcpleased monitors network interface states (interface going up or down, auto configuration enabled or disabled, etc.) and sends requests when necessary."
11:26 < quinq> Right, I missed the second part about config
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11:34 < housemate> how do I install gnome on this?
11:35 < housemate> what is the package called..?
11:35 < housemate> I used to use arch...
11:35 < housemate> 0_0
11:36 < mischief> pkg_info -aQ gnome
11:36 < quinq> Web search gives this: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-05-07-openbsd-gnome.html
11:36 < quinq> (though it's four years old, should give some hints)
11:36 < housemate> thanks.
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11:40 < housemate> I receive this:
11:41 < housemate> https://i.ibb.co/mF0YPbCC/IMG-20250813-210959859-MFNR-HDR.jpg
11:41 < housemate> mischief
11:42 < pardis> is your clock wrong?
11:42 < housemate> yes
11:42 < housemate> how do I fix it?
11:42 < sibiria> rdate ntp.kth.se
11:42 < housemate> IT SAYS APRIL 22.
11:42 < quinq> activate ntpd
11:42 < sibiria> will do for now
11:43 < housemate> thanks.
11:43 < sibiria> then either tuck that into the crontab, or run ntpd
11:43 < sibiria> you still on the run from the law, housemate?
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11:43 < housemate> ROFL yes somethings NEVER change they won't give me a break and neither will I.
11:44 < housemate> and yhanks
11:44 < housemate> thanks*
11:44 < sibiria> impressive that you're still a free man, so to speak
11:44 < sibiria> 10/10
11:44 < quinq> Still a morgan
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11:47 < housemate> to install a package is it simply doas pkg_add <package>
11:47 < housemate> ?
11:47 < anexit> yep
11:47 < housemate> haha thanks siberia and thanks. :-)
11:47 < tk> kuzdra: raster
11:47 < housemate> sibiria*
11:48 < tk> kuzdra: if push comes to shove, I'll just scale down an SVG and then adjust it mysel.
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12:07 < housemate> how do I update all packages..?
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12:09 < sibiria> pkg_add -u
12:11 < housemate> thank!
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12:26 < kuzdra> tk: I wanted to say that sometimes I stumble upon personal websites that have these cute 88x31 buttons and I saw OpenBSD ones a few times. I couldn't quickly find any now, just one that, but it has no Puffy on it
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13:43 < Bradipo> Firefox seems extra "crashy" in OpenBSD 7.7
13:45 < zelest> I experienced the opposit tbh
13:46 < zelest> Had the "Firefox crash on file dialog" every now and then for years.. Haven't had that in months now
13:47 < Bradipo> Interesting.  I'm seeing: Crash Annotation GraphicsCriticalError: |[C0][GFX1-]: CompositorBridgeChild receives IPC close with reason=AbnormalShutdown (t=27.6404) Segmentation fault 
13:47 < Bradipo> What's odd is that it's sporadic and intermittent.
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14:10 < sonya> Bradipo, have you tried to create new/clean profile?
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14:11 < Bradipo> I thought about doing that, but no, I didn't.
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14:12 < sonya> i had crashes, but after cloning things to the new profile they're gone for now .. and this is from dmesg:  https://termbin.com/rkpl
14:12 < Bradipo> Hmm, I haven't seen those in dmesg.
14:12 < sonya> firefox is stable now here..
14:12 < thrig> complicated enough to have Windows-style registry bugs
14:12 < sonya> dmesg throw such things ona regular basis
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20:18 < mrbubzie> You all better be using free software or Richard stallman will haunt your dreams
20:19 < mischief> no dreaming required, he already haunts us
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20:21 < mrbubzie> I swear the other night I got up to take a wicked pissa and I could’ve swore he crawled out from under my bed
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20:21 < sibiria> but not too free. if you use truly free software, e.g. BSD licensed software, you're running the devil's errand
20:21 < sibiria> "free, BUT..."
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20:36 < poh> is ksh for real in requiring no white space in assigning a var a value? like var = 1 isn't the same as var=1?
20:37 < sibiria> it's being very real
20:38 < sibiria> how would it otherwise discern setting a variable from you wanting to run program "var" with arguments = and 1?
20:38 < poh> is this the same for bash or zsh? i've not wrote shell scripts in ages
20:38 < sibiria> it's the same for bash
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20:41 < jmcunx> poh: FWIW, if writting scripts one shoud stick with ksh.  Many proprietary UN*X based ERP systems stick with ksh, ksh 88 usually.  SAP is one that uses ksh.
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20:43 < tux0r> FWIW, if writting scripts one shoud stick with POSIX sh
20:43 < poh> would you be kind enough to define ERP and SAP? I've hardly used Openbsd 
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20:44 < poh> emergency reaction plan ?
20:44 < tux0r> "ksh" isn't portable. i've seen scripts that work with ksh93 that break on mksh, for example. just use the standard.
20:44 < zelest> the obvious solution is to 'pkg_add php' and write all scripts in php.
20:44 < tux0r> also, "zsh" isn't really a shell, it emulates several shells - badly.
20:45 < tux0r> zelest: (sad perl noises)
20:45 < zelest> :D
20:45 < poh> zelest: h i learus
20:46 < tux0r> sciteco has recently grown pipe support. i wonder how many of my awk scripts i could replace with a few sciteco calls..
20:47 < tux0r> ah sorry, this isn't #masochism
20:47 < zelest> it kinda is :D
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21:10 < ssm_> linux is masochism, openbsd is the safe word
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22:37 < sweatiest> openbsdm?
22:39 < systemdsucks> that was the joke on  the uncyclopedia
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