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00:40  * ssm_ trying to figure out why building blender is pulling in git, got, and subversion
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00:43 < tvtoon> I think it is one of the python modules, also found that weird
00:45 < Bradipo> ssm_: You unbreaking blender? :-)
00:46 < ssm_> wasn't aware it was broken
00:46 < ssm_> port doesn't say broken, though my sources are a bit old
00:48 < housemate> what was it to update the system clock?
00:49 < housemate> rch something..?
00:50 < ssm_> date(1) can manually set the time, if you're switching timezones, symlink from /usr/share/zoneinfo/ to /etc/localtime
00:51 < Bradipo> ssm_: Search for "break" here: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/graphics/blender/Makefile
00:52 < Bradipo> So it looks like someone has already been working on unbreaking it.
00:52 < housemate> there was one which worked beginning with r like rcp or something.
00:52 < housemate> and an address.
00:52 < Bradipo> housemate: rdate
00:52 < Bradipo> I still use it on certain systems.
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00:54 < housemate> ohh
00:54 < housemate> and what was the address, please?
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00:55 < Bradipo> The address is whatever NTP address you want to use.
00:55 < housemate> Can you provide me one please?
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00:56 < Bradipo> https://www.ntppool.org/en/use.html
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02:23 < zwr> housemate: there's also `ntpd -s`. you can change the ntpd service's arguments to include `-s` if you have e.g. a computer with a bad clock or dead battery
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04:21 < rnkn> what are the circumstances in which one user can see the environment variables of another?
04:22 < rnkn> like if you stored a secret string in the env
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04:27 < rnkn> also, does the base system perl implement pledge?
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05:11 < beastie> rnkn: in theory, none... but as the environment is replicated in the fork() syscall, children of a parent will have the same environment as the parent process.
05:12 < beastie> the environment is a property of the process.
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06:27 < rnkn> okay cool, I'll add an envlist to a login.conf.d profile and make that file chmod 600
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06:42 < rueda> have you considered "ps -e"?
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07:05 < rnkn> rueda: doesn't that just display the user's own env?
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11:05 < ssm_> (ports) Is there a way to append to an extracted project Makefile's CFLAGS (or any var) short of patching in another variable? I tried grepping around the port collections Makefiles to no avail. MAKE_FLAGS = CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" will overwrite the projects' CFLAGS, but I want to append, not overwrite. CFLAGS="$${CFLAGS} ${CFLAGS}" didn't work either
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11:08 < nerfur> anybody tried minilaptops from aliexpress ? I mean like nwnlap 7inch or crelander p8 with openbsd? I'm looking for extra small machine 
11:09 < sibiria> they're all dodgy...
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11:14 < avemestr> But would be nice if some more well-known manufacturer started doing netbooks again.
11:14 < avemestr> Toshiba Libretto FTW :-)
11:14 < sibiria> some of the librettos were really nice yeah
11:16 < nerfur> avemestr: CHUWI makes 10inches already
11:17 < ssm_> assuming !x86, looking to see if whatever sbc they shoved in is supported would be my starting point
11:17 < ssm_> after that, make sure there's easy serial access for u-boot
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11:34 < humm> ssm_: depends on how that Makefile is written
11:35 < humm> a good Makefile will say     MYCFLAGS = -I whatever … ${CFLAGS}     in which case     MAKE_FLAGS = CFLAGS=asdf     should work
11:36 < humm> a bad Makefile will say     CFLAGS = -I whatever …     in which case a patch may be best
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11:42 < ssm_> bummer
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12:02 < ssm_> ended up patching in CXXFLAGS += $(CXXFLAGS_LOCAL) before the all target
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12:14 < il> What's the consensus on text editors here? Do many people use mg?
12:15 < quinq> You get ostracized if you use anything else
12:15 < IcePic> I use mg a lot
12:15 < sibiria> i use nano, because micro is currently still broken, else i'd be using it
12:16 < il> quinq: even vi?
12:16 < quinq> And if you need to use UTF-8, well... Just don't
12:16 < il> also nice nick reference, if I got it lol
12:16 < ssm_> I used mg, then relearned vi and felt there was no good analogue for chording in mg/emacs, so I just vi
12:16 < il> ssm_: what do you mean by chording?
12:16 < quinq> I was joking though, use what you want :)
12:16 < quinq> (and I don't think there's a reference, at least not consciously :))
12:16 < ssm_> il: like !} to run a command on a paragraph, 1G!G to run a command on the whole file, d3W to delete 3 big words
12:16 < il> I am fine with vi, just got spooked by the deleted chars not being removed visually in insert mode until it's exited (or the characters are typed over)
12:17 < ssm_> they sort of exist in mg, but it's not as good
12:17 < quinq> Using mostly vis here (https://sr.ht/~martanne/vis/)
12:17 < il> what is vis
12:17 < il> quinq: tokyo ghoul?
12:17 < quinq> Ah, then no ^^
12:17 < il> https://tokyoghoul.fandom.com/wiki/Quinque
12:18 < quinq> Thanks :)
12:19 < IcePic> I always assumed it was stacked VLANs
12:19 < il> ah, vim + sam.. sam is plan 9 text editor, if i remember correctly
12:20 < quinq> For me it's mostly a middle-weight vi-like editor
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12:39 < quinq> Why did I start mg
12:39 < quinq> Unable to close it
12:39 < quinq> ^x^g doesn't work
12:39 < quinq> It just writes “Quit” in the status bar, thanks
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12:39 < sibiria> worse than the curse of vi
12:39 < sibiria> try pressing all keys at the same time
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12:39 < quinq> ^g too
12:40 < quinq> C-x 4 C-g     keyboard-quit
12:40 < quinq> Does that mean I have to press 4 times ^x while looking into a mirror?
12:41 < sibiria> only works during full moon or waxing crescent
12:41 < quinq> Tough luck, full moon was last weekend
12:42 < quinq> Seriousl oO
12:43 < quinq> y
12:44 < quinq> Ahhhh, found it
12:44 < quinq> Wasn't “close”, wasn't “quit”, wasn't “exit”...
12:44 < quinq> Wal “kill”
12:44 < quinq> ^x^c
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13:11 < il> yeah, i had an exiting vim situation while trying mg right now lol
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13:22 < anexit> Is there a way to make a marker in pf that will show in tcpdump -pflog0 that it blocked this IP from this table?
13:23 < il> how do i see what options ex/vi/view accepts in ~/.nexrc (or .exrc)?
13:23 < il> s/how/where
13:26 < quinq> anexit, have you tried with the `tag`?
13:27 < quinq> Also pflog should show the rule number (id)
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13:30 < anexit> quinq: lets see;
13:30 < il> sorry, it's in the manpage, I somehow skipped over it
13:31 < il> didn't take into account that search is case sensitive... searched for 'set', the title of the section is 'SET OPTIONS' heh
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13:56 < humm> I’d use mg more if it did UTF-8
13:58 < humm> imagine using " " instead of “ ” in the year of our Epoch 55
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14:00 < IcePic> humm: all the config files will be super happy about fancy-quotes
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14:01 < humm> they won’t, but all the prose will
14:02 < humm> including the prose in comments in config files
14:05 < il> hah
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14:05 < il> the year of our epoch 55 is hilarious
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14:15 < anexit> Trying to setup periodic for secuirty reports but do I need to run an email server?
14:18 < sibiria> you're already running one unless you disabled smtpd
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14:50 < anexit> sibiria:ah, I have no periodic stuff
14:50 < anexit> nothing in /etc/periodic/*
14:51 < sibiria> etc-periodic isn't an openbsd "thing"
14:52 < sibiria> you have crontabs. the main such in turn also runs daily/weekly/monthly stuff
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14:52 < anexit> https://man.openbsd.org/weekly.8
14:53 < anexit> Years ago in 4.8 it use to email security reports
14:53 < anexit> That's what I'm looking for, but it wasn't this hard;
14:53 < sibiria> so you can add stuff in /etc/{daily,weekly,monthly}.local
14:53 < sibiria> or, as an alternative, just use the crontabs themselves
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14:54 < sibiria> it still mails you security reports
14:54 < sibiria> it's possible you just don't look in root's mailbox
14:56 < sibiria> (or your wheelie, if it's forwarded there)
14:57 < anexit> Yeah, I think I just need to forward this email to an outside email
14:57 < renaud> perl -p -i -e 's/# root:/root: $yourealmailaddress/' /etc/mail/aliases
14:57 < anexit> that's my goal
14:57 < anexit> renaud I already did that 
14:58 < anexit> newaliases
14:59 < renaud> you just need to ensure your system is able to send mails to you real mail address. If it's a free account, it might involve some work.
14:59 < sibiria> there's a big chance the receiving mail server will just drop your stuff if the server you're mailing this from doesn't fulfil bare minimums
15:00 < anexit> I can echo an email to my external address just fine.
15:00 < renaud> you will at least need a correct FCrDNS, spf and DKIM
15:00 < sibiria> fcrdns and spf, at least
15:00 < renaud> DKIM if you sent to MS
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15:01 < anexit> echo "Test me" | mail -s "test from ($hostname)" email
15:01 < anexit> and I get that test email
15:01 < renaud> so that should work
15:03 < sibiria> i'm not entirely sure you can uses aliases to bounce e-mails elsewhere
15:03 < sibiria> opensmtpd isn't good at acting as a forwarder
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15:03 < sibiria> var-log-maillog will tell you what's going on
15:04 < sibiria> you may need to rewrite your matches/actions
15:06 < anexit> yeah, it might be something with smptd.conf
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15:26 < anexit> not sure, but it started to work
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16:03 < anexit> do I need this file?
16:03 < anexit> /usr/share/relink/kernel.tgz
16:04 < anexit> my usr partition is full and it's date 2020
16:04 < Bradipo> I don't have a /usr/share/relink/kernel.tgz on my system.
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16:05 < Bradipo> Probably safe to delete it.
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16:06 < anexit> yeah weird
16:06 < anexit> I'm on 7.6
16:06 < phy1729> You could also download the sysclean perl script to your home and run it from there
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16:07 < phy1729> (I assume it isn't already installed and you don't have space to add it now)
16:07 < anexit> I have sysclean
16:07 < anexit> but last time I dev/null all those files my system died;
16:08 < anexit> this kernel.tgz was about 700meg
16:14 < sibiria> you don't need it once it's unpakced
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16:17 < anexit> I rebooted, named back up
16:17 < anexit> :D
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16:25 < sibiria> highly suggest nsd over bind named
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16:28 < zelest> +1
16:28 < Bradipo> Is nsd recursive resolver or authoritative publisher?
16:29 < IcePic> auth
16:29 < sibiria> unbound is the resolver
16:29 < IcePic> unbound is the resolver from the same people
16:29 < sibiria> companion application
16:29 < Bradipo> Got it.
16:30 < sibiria> it's nice that nsd uses the same zone format as bind, so you can more or less just move over
16:31 < Bradipo> I just use tinydns (from djbdns).
16:32 < Bradipo> Haven't used bind (et al.) in years.
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17:32 < anexit> I've been using bind for 25 years
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17:39 < quinq> Did you get a discount card?
17:41 < anexit> I got it for free
17:42 < jonadab> We actually have our authoritative DNS outsourced to the domain registrars, at no extra charge beyond the reg fee.  Which is fine, as long as certbot's ability to do http verification doesn't break again...
17:43 < anexit> Yeah, afraid.org is decent
17:44 < quinq> For free?! Did I just land into a communist den
17:44 < sibiria> jonadab: that sounds just like...the 99.9% default
17:45 < jonadab> sibiria: I wouldn't be surprised if it's a common setup.
17:45 < jonadab> Especially for smallish sites.
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17:48 < thrig> DNS helpdesk: "what's a glue record?"
17:52 < quinq> jaja, had that
17:52 < lts> Domains, DNS, VPS hosting, and emails all from different providers. Though to be Frank, I'm not sure what good would it be if the registrar kicks you out. But at least for the others it reduces risks
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17:56 < sibiria> can a registrar actually kick you out? wouldn't that equal theft and illegal seizure?
17:58 < sibiria> ICANN agrees that whoever is on the OWNER record, not the registrar, is the true owner, and altering these records without owner approval equals forgery
18:01 < quinq> They can kick you out of their DNS services
18:02 < quinq> (the ones on top of just glue records)
18:07 < Bradipo> Sometimes it's a case of "legal" seizure.
18:08 < mischief> i have been on afraid.org for about 15 years lol
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18:09 < quinq> Bradipo, just be a patriot
18:10 < SofroSune> Hi guys, do you know about this OpenBSD fork called HyperbolaBSD?
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18:13 < quinq> I think it's rather a Linux distribution at this point, isn't it?
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18:13 < quinq> (they even call it Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre)
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18:14 < ssm_> SofroSune: the one that wanted to relicense ISC licensed code to GPL illegally?
18:24 < quinq> ssm_, who's your lawyer?
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18:25 < fro> must be court appointed
18:29 < ssm_> quinq: Zaim Nitzzif, though they don't like it when you say their name backwards for some reason :/
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18:43 < anexit> Just what we need, another linux distro
18:43 < quinq> ^^
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18:45 < Bradipo> The more the merrier.
18:50 < anexit> Guess so
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18:50 < SofroSune> quinq: They have 2 projects
18:50 < anexit> Rocky linux did a bunch of stuff with freeIPA.. the login directory server was insane.
18:51 < sibiria> freeIPA is insane
18:51 < sibiria> the I is for insane
18:51 < anexit> Entra Microsoft is nice but who can trust that circus.
18:51 < sibiria> what a piece of smut it is
18:51 < anexit> haha
18:52 < anexit> One of the conferences at blackhat, you basically allow a cert to be uploaded and you can have access to things within the freeIPA realm
18:53 < anexit> No need for user creation
18:53 < anexit> :D
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18:58 < SofroSune> sibiria: insanely good, or insanely bad?
18:59 < quinq> Isanely insane
18:59 < sibiria> what quinq said
19:00 < sibiria> jokes aside, it does what it's supposed to do, but it's incredibly unwiedly and clumsy
19:00 < sibiria> unwieldy*
19:00 < sibiria> it's... redhat-y
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19:02 < sibiria> we did have a major incident with it as well
19:02 < sibiria> shut it down - took 30 minutes
19:02 < sibiria> starting it afterwards never finished
19:02 < sibiria> data corruption everywhere
19:03 < sibiria> directory impossible to salvage. users same, groups same
19:04 < quinq> flashbacks from 'nam
19:04 < SofroSune> wow...
19:05 < sibiria> "the Red Hats had us surrounded... were just 2 admins left in the whole squad..."
19:05 < quinq> :>
19:05 < Bradipo> Wasn't red hats French Revolution?
19:07 < fro> not the same kind of hat
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