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02:03 < aaronm04> Ah I see
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02:19 < rnkn> is there somewhere I can read about the rationale of the default installation partition layout?
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02:24 < systemdsucks> hier(7)
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02:32 < rnkn> systemdsucks: the disk partition layout not the filesystem layout
02:32 < xse> there's https://man.openbsd.org/disklabel#AUTOMATIC_DISK_ALLOCATION
02:33 < rnkn> xse: I think this is exactly what I need, thx
02:35 < rnkn> I'm also interested in "a set of partitions appropriate for an OpenBSD installation" -- why is it suitable? what are they advantages?
02:36 < xse> i'm not sure i guess it's mostly about separation, the different mount options, quotas and so on maybe
02:36 < xse> i did found the default quirky in some setups like vms not being able to upgrade - nonetheless it often works and once the machine is configured and running for some time with a better idea of what/where space is needed i then reinstall with a custom layout
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02:45 < xse> rnkn: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Partitioning "Some of the reasons for doing so are: "
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02:55 < rnkn> xse: ah, excellent, thx
03:01 < rnkn> okay, installing onto a Hetzner VM... here I go
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03:09 < SofroSune> Is OpenBSD more stabler than Linux?
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03:21 < rnkn> should I use MBR or GPT?
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03:28 < rnkn> also, if I'm deleting partitions, is there an easy way to shuffle the others up to take up the unused space?
03:28 < rnkn> SofroSune: yes
03:28 < rnkn> I don't reeeally wanna calculate all the offsets myself
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03:34 < byteskeptical> depends on you, not automatically but if you add partitions in reverse order ending with the mount you want to add any remaining space too, you don't have too.
03:34 < SofroSune> rnkn: thank you, man.
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03:40 < rnkn> okay what I did was delete all partitions then recreate using the default offsets. got me an extra 5G of /home space
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03:41 < rnkn> I'm not planning on installing X so omitting the /usr/X11R6... right thing?
03:42 < rnkn> and is it worth skipping the X sets?
03:43 < thrig> generally all sets are installed
03:44 < rnkn> yeh though so
03:44 < rnkn> the /usr/X11R6 partition?
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04:42 < thrig> or, you can not install random sets, and then random things may break or fail to compile
04:44 < rnkn> yeh I installed all
04:45 < rnkn> but deleted the /usr/X11R6 partitions, and the /var partitions because it's going on a separate volume
04:45 < rnkn> *partition
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05:13 < rnkn> okay that wasn't what I should have done. now reinstalling with autolayout.
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05:29 < thrig> doing things wrongly can be educational
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06:20 < rnkn> once before I mounted perl's required lib paths inside the /var/www chroot using I think mount_nfs? but now can't remember how I did it
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06:29 < rnkn> oh, /etc/exports
06:32 < rnkn> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125492330715585&w=2
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06:45 < rnkn> hmm that just hangs on mount -A
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06:49 < rnkn> any call to mount_nfs hangs...
06:52 < rnkn> this should work right? mount_nfs 127.0.0.1:/usr/local/libdata/perl5/ /var/www/usr/local/libdata/perl5/
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07:11 < rnkn> here's my /etc/exports and /etc/fstab: https://bpa.st/WA5Q
07:11 < rnkn> this should work
07:13 < lts> Is your nfsd running?
07:13 < bradd> does your nfsd watch on 127.0.0.1?
07:17 < rnkn> nfsd is running (although I'm sure I've done this before without nfsd)
07:17 < rnkn> how do I check it's watching 127.0.0.1?
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07:18 < rnkn> calling showmount also stalls
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07:21 < rnkn> could this be something amiss with the loopback device lo1?
07:25 < rnkn> rebooting hangs after "starting RPC daemons: nfsd."
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07:26 < rnkn> nothing in dmesg
07:28 < rnkn> commenting out the nfs lines in fstab and reboot is fine
07:30 < lts> Is "/var/www/htdocs/u" correct?
07:31 < lts> Ah, nevermind, it was /var/www/usr, not htdocs
07:32 < rnkn> yeah /var/www/htdocs/u is an unrelated volume
07:32 < rnkn> same problem with that commented too
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07:56 < rnkn> there are no bad ideas here guys
07:57 < rnkn> it couldn't be that /usr/local and /var are on different partitions right?
07:59 < bradd> if a client is blocking while waiting to connect, it would seem the nfsd isn't configured correctly.
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08:04 < bradd> maybe in /etc/exports, try '... -network=127.0.0 -mask=255.255.255.0' ??
08:04 < bradd> then restart the daemons
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08:06 < rnkn> same, also with nfsd on/off
08:07 < rnkn> I don't think nfsd needs to be running
08:08 < rnkn> same with mountd
08:08 < rnkn> (as in the same problem)
08:09 < rnkn> this is a fresh VM too
08:09 < rnkn> could it be inet6?
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08:19 < bradd> beats me. maybe someone with nfsd experience will show up soon
08:19 < rnkn> thing is, I've done this before with another VM and I'm 90% sure I didn't need nfsd
08:19 < rnkn> and reading the man page seems to indicate this too
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08:32 < rnkn> I'm convinced this is not a mount_nfs problem but something to do with my lo1 device
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08:34 < rnkn> lo0
08:36 < bradd> can you 'ssh 127.0.0.1' ??
08:39 < rnkn> bradd: rnkn@127.0.0.1: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)
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08:41 < bradd> seems its connecting to 127.0.0.1, so lo0 may be working?
08:42 < rnkn> I can ping 127.0.0.1 and localhost
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08:47 < rnkn> huh, I just tried mount_nfs on another openbsd system and got the same hang
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08:52 < rnkn> this other system is running 7.3, I'm running 7.7
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08:55 < rnkn> both are running on qemu on hetzner though
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09:25 < rnkn> mount_nfs 127.0.0.1:/root/foo /root/bar hangs too when /root/foo doesn't exist, so hanging before making the connection
09:26 < rnkn> also, /root/foo is not in /etc/exports, so it's not getting that far either
09:29 < rnkn> the plot thickens!
09:29 < rnkn> rpcinfo -p 127.0.0.1 
09:29 < rnkn> rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
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09:54 < rnkn> solved!
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09:55 < rnkn> nfsd + mountd + portmap
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09:56 < rnkn> all three needed to be enabled
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12:26 < dzwdz> bumping my bgpd question - when using mp-bgp, it's using the link-local address of my interface as the nexthop sent to ebgp peers, which is wrong
12:27 < dzwdz> i want it to use my "real" ip, but i can't set it on the interface because i'm connected to my peers via multiple interfaces
12:27 < dzwdz> i can't figure out how to force it to use another ip
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12:39 < Soekris> Hello Antarez how you doing ?
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14:45 < il> how do i manually ntp sync
14:46 < quinq> Several ways, but one would be rdate
14:47 < il> can one run rdate without the host argument
14:47 < il> doesn't seem so
14:48 < il> let me see
14:48 < il> how far off the clock is, before I mess with it lol
14:49 < esmhammer> trying to get iwm driver to use with fw_update but not successful, any pointer to where to find the driver would be appreciated.
14:49 < il> yeah, the time is EXACT
14:49 < il> it's just that the tmux status line refresh happens once every half a minute or something
14:50 < il> you know what they say about assuming...
14:51 < quinq> esmhammer, the driver is located in the kernel
14:51 < quinq> Maybe the driver doesn't support your device
14:51 < quinq> See if it's lister in iwm man-page
14:51 < xse> man fw_update has a link to the firmware website
14:52 < il> guys, yall are awesome, keep being awesome
14:52 < ivdsangen> esmhammer: dmesg can tell you if the iwm device is configured by the kernel
14:53 < esmhammer> quinq: according to man page, not included because of Intel policies.
14:54 < quinq> We may be mixing driver and firmware here
14:54 < esmhammer> xse: fw_update says it is user responcibilities to download the driver.
14:55 < esmhammer> quinq: absulutly, my mistake, firmware is the one I need.
14:55 < il> hm... The openBSD date doesn't have a flag for RFC 3339 / ISO 8601 outpit
14:55 < il> output*
14:57 < esmhammer> ivdsangen: this is the prepration stage, I want to make sure I have all requirments before commiting to an install.
14:59 < quinq> esmhammer, did you look at what xse suggested?
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15:01 < esmhammer> quinq: all man pages sugesting, it is the user responsibility to aquire the firmware
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15:04 < mischief> > il │ it's just that the tmux status line refresh happens once every half a minute or something
15:05 < mischief> mine updates every second with the current time
15:05 < il> Yeah, I usually customize my tmux config on my personal machines
15:05 < il> but not on VPSes
15:05 < mischief> set -g status-right "[ %F %T ]"
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15:08 < xse> esmhammer: i'm confused, is it not iwm-firmware-20240410.tgz you want ? man says "Firmware is downloaded from ...."
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15:10 < xse> if you have an ethernet port i would not bother trying to set that up during installation
15:11 < xse> and let the thing do it automatically
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15:16 < mrbubzie> 11:15 AM <mrbubzie> Is webkitgtk broken on PowerPC
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15:20 < esmhammer> xse: Thanks for your pointing me in right direction.
15:21 < esmhammer> Thanks all for responce.
15:22 < sibiria> il, you can format the output from date(1)
15:23 < sibiria> e.g.: date -f '%F'
15:24 < il> I know, I know
15:24 < sibiria> '+%F'*
15:24 < il> but not as convenient as one flag
15:25 < il> oh, wait
15:25 < il> %F is ISO?
15:25 < sibiria> %F is iso8601
15:25 < sibiria> ah without -f, that's for parsing
15:25 < sibiria> date '+%F' should work
15:25 < il> I might be wrong about linux date having a flag for iso, then
15:25 < il> it might be the same
15:26 < il> I'm not, it has the -I flag
15:26 < sibiria> linux also supports %F. but you can use %Y-%M-%D if you want
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15:26 < sibiria> or %m %d maybe, i forgot
15:26 < quinq> %flags is portable
15:27 < il> the -I flag on linux date takes 'fmt' i.e. to which unit to give you the time
15:27 < il> e.g. -Is gives it down to the second
15:27 < il> with no argument, it only gives you the date
15:27 < quinq> Better just specifying the format you want
15:28 < il> yeah
15:29 < il> but for quick checking the time heh
15:29 < il> for scripts, it doesn't matter
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20:37 < qqz> https://dpaste.com/CCSCWDZ45
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20:37 < qqz> Hi, you know me, don't you ??¡¿
20:37 < qqz> can't paste all of it here
20:38 < qqz> #linux has the same link
20:38 < qqz> ... and #mutt
20:39 < qqz> upload.elmstel.info/correspondence/mp-se
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20:52 < mischief> wat
20:53 < oldlaptop> Indeed.
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21:54 < xse> ^ wtf followup https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=175537710532168
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21:58 < fro> openbsd 7.2
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21:59 < fro> y'all wild
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22:01 < xse> i meant - the message posted just a couple hours ealier in this channel ended up in that bugs@ email, along with the start of the irc user list :p
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22:02 < fro> yeah
22:02 < fro> the whole thing
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22:20 < mischief> qqz: you just need a new computer. throw that old garbage out.
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22:29 < systemdsucks> macshit?
22:30 < systemdsucks> oh ok, that's some weird irc/mail-list interaction
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22:40  * oldlaptop doesn't condone throwing computers away just for being 15 years old
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22:41 < oldlaptop> throwing computers away because they have NVIDIA GPUs soldered to the mainboard may be acceptable, however
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22:45 < oldlaptop> especially after using some random fork of ancient mesa fails to magically turn the NVIDIA GPU into something that works
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23:00 < mischief> an rpi would run circles around that old thing
23:01 < thrig> electricity cost can be high on old computers too
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23:18 < vortexx> thrig: well if you want to run a mainframe or an SGI Origin it does help to have reinforced commercial flooring in your garage
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23:54 < thrig> vehicles are rumored to be heavy as well
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