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09:03 < cs_0x6373> hi, is anyone here familiar with the adjtime() syscall? i'm trying to get ptpd2 running on OpenBSD, but most calls to adjtime result in EINVAL
09:03 < cs_0x6373> In the manpage i found this statement: If delta is negative, the clock is slowed down by incrementing it more slowly than normal until the correction is complete.
09:03 < cs_0x6373> But the description of the error is this: If delta is negative, the clock is slowed down by incrementing it more slowly than normal until the correction is complete.
09:04 < cs_0x6373> sorry, copy before paste: [EINVAL]  The delta argument is non-NULL and specifies a microsecond value less than zero or greater than or equal to one million.
09:04 < cs_0x6373> so it says that it will give an error on negative values but negative values are rewired to slow down the clock
09:04 < IcePic> cs_0x6373: the securelevel is important for what you may do to the clock
09:04 < IcePic> "man securelevel"
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09:07 < IcePic> my guess is that more than one kind of error gives EINVAL, but the docs might not reflect it correctly, though they should
09:07 < IcePic> then again, if you ask to do something that securelevel prevents, then EINVAL might be what you get
09:09 < cs_0x6373> IcePic: thanks for the hint, but adjtime is not mentioned in this. only settimeofday and clock_settime is prevented to send time backwards in securelevel 2
09:10 < cs_0x6373> i'm currently greping the source for the adjtime() function to check whats going on, but the manpage contradicts itself
09:10 < IcePic> ah, my bad. Knew it was time related stuff though
09:10 < cs_0x6373> will also check the (old) ptpd port to see if they do it differently
09:11 < cs_0x6373> no worry, i'm glad for any input
09:11 < cs_0x6373> PTP does not seem to be widely used on OpenBSD
09:13 < IcePic> my guess is that many consider the "normal" precision of the system ntpd to be good enough
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09:17 < IcePic> I did try to run NTS (rfc8915) for a while on obsd, can't remember why I stopped
09:27 < cs_0x6373> we are planning to replace 2 of our 4 internal ntp servers with OpenBSD and i would like to keep them synchronized with our PTP sources like Linux
09:28 < cs_0x6373> the ptpd port lacks some features and apparently does not pick up our ptp masters at all, hence my desire to get ptpd2 running
09:29 < cs_0x6373> but adjtime fails sometimes, i'm still adding debug code to find out why
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10:01 < cs_0x6373> interesting, adjtime fails only when t.tv_usec is negative, this could explain a loop i found in the d_to_tv() function of ntpd which adds 1000000 to tv_usec and substracts 1 of tv_sec until tv_usec is >= 0
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10:04 < IcePic> /usr/include/sys/time.h has a #define timerisvalid(tvp)                                               \ ((tvp)->tv_usec >= 0 && (tvp)->tv_usec < 1000000)
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10:05 < IcePic> I think the assumption is that the usecs should never be large enough to it equals a second
10:05 < cs_0x6373> after implementing this in ptpd2, all adjtime calls go through
10:05 < IcePic> \o/
10:05 < cs_0x6373> and that only tv_sec is allowed to be negativ, tv_usec must be positive
10:06 < cs_0x6373> in the manpage it is only stated "if timeval t is negative", but no explanation regarding the members of this struct. :)
10:07 < cs_0x6373> IcePic: thanks for helping out, won't waste your time anymore and will test this further if it works as expected or need other "tuning"
10:07 < IcePic> oh, it's fun to solve mysteries
10:08 < IcePic> totally not a waste
10:08 < cs_0x6373> this kind of mysteries, true
10:08 < cs_0x6373> i still was not able to find the code for the adjtime syscall itself though
10:09 < cs_0x6373> it's fun to be more active with OpenBSD again
10:10 < cs_0x6373> will have to prepare some workshops for my Linux colleagues on how OpenBSD fits in here and how to operate it...
10:10 < IcePic> we were here waiting for you all the time. ;)
10:10 < IcePic> int
10:10 < IcePic> sys_adjtime
10:10 < IcePic> in /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_time.c
10:11 < IcePic>                 if (atv.tv_sec < INT64_MIN / 1000000)
10:11 < IcePic>                         return EINVAL;
10:11 < IcePic> some similar checks in there, all returning EINVAL
10:12 < cs_0x6373> ah yes, the syscalls handle the arguments differently of course
10:12 < IcePic> it does have a loop to add 1M usecs to the sec field
10:13 < IcePic>                 if (atv.tv_usec < 0) {
10:13 < IcePic>                         atv.tv_usec += 1000000;
10:13 < IcePic>                         atv.tv_sec--;
10:13 < IcePic>                 }
10:13 < IcePic> sorry, my bad, doing the reverse, but what you wrote above
10:14 < IcePic> though I think "your" code failed on the macro from the include, if (!timerisvalid(&atv)) return (EINVAL);
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10:15 < cs_0x6373> that's funny, because in usr.sbin/ntpd/util.c the timeval is prepared with this:
10:15 < cs_0x6373>   while (tv->tv_usec < 0) {
10:15 < cs_0x6373>     tv->tv_usec += 1000000;
10:15 < cs_0x6373>     tv->tv_sec -= 1;
10:15 < cs_0x6373>   }
10:15 < cs_0x6373> so this loop in the syscall should never be reached because of the timerisvalid call, right?
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10:16 < IcePic> yes, and it seems to only apple to "olddelta" which is one of the args
10:17 < cs_0x6373> this is another mystery, because on my failed adjtime calls the olddelta always returned some massively high sec & usec values, but they did not change. 
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10:18 < cs_0x6373> maybe on failed adjtime() calls one should not rely on the olddelta values. :)
10:18 < cs_0x6373> much more fun than doing risk definitions with the security team for another project...
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10:21 < IcePic> cs_0x6373: then pledge/unveil the ptp2d stuff, for security++
10:22 < cs_0x6373> yeah, this is in the back of my mind, will probably provide a new port for ptpd2 or diffs for the ptpd port as well
10:22 < cs_0x6373> but it has to function correctly first.
10:24 < cs_0x6373> i also fixed some other strange issue when ptpd2 writes statistics, it uses a rather small buffer of 228 bytes to prepare the string, sometimes this is exceeded and fails because of some logic (the string never overflows, but the calculated length is different in this case stuff like that)
10:25 < cs_0x6373> i still have to finalize my patching-script for OpenBSD as well
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10:26 < cs_0x6373> IcePic: out of curiosity, are you using OpenBSD privately or at work?
10:26 < cs_0x6373> if you don't mind answering..
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10:27 < IcePic> most privately, but I sneak in OpenBSD where I work, so its the office fw and so on
10:28 < IcePic> never had any issue with colleagues not understanding PF or not being able to learn how to network obsd or so. Even if its not-linux, it at least stays consistent over time
10:28 < IcePic> not that being not-linux is bad or anything, but many of my cow-workers only ever saw linux before
10:31 < cs_0x6373> yes, OpenBSD is rather easy, compared to Linux
10:31 < cs_0x6373> but we will get 6 productive OpenBSD boxes in the near future, this is nothing compared to around 3k rhel boxes
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10:45 < IcePic> I've worked at places where we ended up using obsd for ntpd, ospf routing, firewalling and so on. Very stable foundation for long lived services
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13:58 < anddam> howdy, is it normal for makewhatis(8) to skip symlinks?
13:59 < anddam> case in poin I am using obsd makewhatis on a Void Linux system, I installed a program using GNU stow and I see the symlinks are not parsed by makewhatis
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13:59 < anddam> https://termbin.com/65ay (with the little "redirect sudo output" dance)
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14:01 < oldlaptop> (I see you did already, but) #voidlinux would know better than us if they patched some piece of mandoc or not
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14:07 < oldlaptop> reading treescan() may be enlightening: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/mandoc/mandocdb.c?rev=1.222&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
14:08 < oldlaptop> (based on that I would suggest passing -p)
14:08 < oldlaptop> and would wildly guess you might be taking the "outside base directory" path
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14:50 < anddam> ohhh "outside base directory" message
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14:50 < anddam> thanks, oldlaptop, I knew I was right keeping you around and not tossing you out when I got newlaptop.
14:50  * anddam thanks
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15:01 < colamaroro> Hello. I recently got interested with the `unveil` syscall, and tried to add it to `cat`. Is this something that could be interesting to the project I should send to the tech@ mailing list ?
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15:15 < xx> colamaroro: in what sense did you add unveil to cat?
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15:16 < colamaroro> xx: As in, added some call to unveil to /bin/cat/cat.c
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15:19 < colamaroro> You can see the diff here: https://github.com/COLAMAroro/openbsd-src/commit/85d8f729cd97b49525978566caa41ee837ec832a.diff
15:24 < thrig> could be problematic if the number of files grows too large for the unveil limit
15:26 < oldlaptop> is it already a problem if your cat call is that big?
15:27 < thrig> cat would presumably chug through the list, as opposed to unveil bonking into the unveil list limit and then doing who knows what
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15:31 < colamaroro> I'm going to check what the practical limits are. And I'm also going to need to add the `unveil` promise to pledge, oops
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15:33 < colamaroro> According to /sys/kern/kern_unveil.c#L63, UNVEIL_MAX_NAMES is set to 128. I don't know how realistic it is for `cat` to need to read more than 128 files...
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15:39 < thrig> very, if there's a directory of small files that get a cat * treatment
15:39 < phy1729> I don't think the diff would be taken  https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=154660854129749&w=2
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15:44 < colamaroro> I wanted to see if a patch for this was already sent, found the thread, but not the actual message... Well, at least it was interesting to write. Thanks :)
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20:27 < morpho> could i have some help updating the port for crystal/lang? its a very thin diff but the version is a 2 releases out of date
20:28 < morpho> thanks
20:31 < uwharrie> generic requests for help aren't going to get you very far. providing what you've attempted, what is and isn't working, and relevant logs might get some attention
20:32 < sibiria> morpho: best chance is to get in touch with the port maintainer
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20:34 < uwharrie> and ports@
20:34 < morpho> its a self hosted language, so i am trying to use 16.2 to compile to the latest version
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20:36 < morpho> one change in the diff is just a -#!/bin/sh +#!/usr/local/bin/bash, so its quite thin
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20:41 < morpho> its just fails building the new version, its output from the crystal compile thats not really meaningful to post here
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20:54 < pjlover> Hi folks.  I have a potentially weird problem, and I thought here might be a good place to ask.  I couldn't figure out whether the warning for the 7.7 upgrade meant I needed /usr to have 1GB of available space, or just >1G partition size (earlier releases said the same thing, but only needed a partition size, not available space).  I read something that made me think it would be OK, but needless to say, 
20:54 < pjlover> it wasn't.  Upon sysupgrade, everything broke because /usr ran out of space.  I'm now trying to recover (without doing a full backup + upgrade cycle, since there's a lot of config I don't want to lose).  I'm pretty sure I can just blow away the partition after /usr (for me, it's the X11R65 partition, and since it's a server, I don't use X11), and then extend the existing partition.  But I'm also trying 
20:54 < pjlover> to back everything up before I try that, and as I do that, I notice that df -h shows my /usr partition with Avail = -89.6M, and capacity at 105%.  I definitely ran into out of space errors during upgrade, but how does the partition take more space than allotted?  What does it even mean to have more space than allotted?  I have a bunch of questions, but maybe the easiest one to start: if I blow away my 
20:54 < pjlover> X11R6 partition, and I just use console for the server, would there be anything in there that's required for OpenBSD base?  And would sysupgrade automatically relocate that stuff to wherever my /usr goes?
20:56 < pjlover> I very specifically try to remove the X-related sets on every upgrade, but one of them snuck in on me early on, so I *hope* that's the only reason those exist in the first place.
20:57 < pjlover> And thanks in advance for any help :)
20:58 < uwharrie> the overcommit on usage is likely due to space reserved for root
20:59 < uwharrie> you'd be unlikely to break base without the x sets, but things installed via packages have a good chance of not working
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21:00 < uwharrie> sysupgrade isn't going to relocate anything
21:01 < pjlover> I think the main things I want to keep working are all in base (opensmtpd, httpd).  Dovecot is also there, but hopefully wouldn't interact with X11.
21:02 < morpho> sometimes a dodgy dd or mount cant cause this error
21:02 < pjlover> For sysupgrade relocating, I just meant that if the separate mountpoint for /usr/X11R6 in its own partition was blown away, then when it's trying to write out to /usr/X11R6 afterwards, I'd assume it would jsut create a directory inside of /usr (and not be picky about partition location)
21:02 < morpho> when flashing usbs
21:03 < pjlover> Hm, I don't think I've flashed any USBs on this machine, but that's good to know.  I'm running a full-disk dd right now to an external HD, just for backup purposes, but all the above predates that.
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21:04 < sibiria> you don't technically need X11 on its own file system. it's ok to place it directly in /usr
21:05 < sibiria> but that's not gonna help you right now
21:05 < pjlover> When I tried to mount /usr in read-only mode while in single-user mode, it did say there was an error on unmounting, I think.
21:06 < pjlover> Thanks sibiria.  I think it will help, since my X11R6 partition is right after my /usr partition, and I'd like to delete the X11R6 partition, so I can expand /usr.
21:06 < sibiria> ah, yeah, if that's the setup you have now it should be a valid solution
21:06 < sibiria> presuming your x11r6 file system is larger than x11 itself
21:09 < pjlover> yeah, I guess we'll find out.  If that doesn't work, then I have a bunch of spare space at the end of the drive, and I can create a new partition there for /usr, and copy everything I can into it.  I just don't know if I'm going to have read issues because of that 105% capacity thing.  I was assuming it would stop writing at 100% partition capacity, but apparently not.
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21:13 < sibiria> as uwharrie says, that's the 5% default spare you're seeing
21:13 < sibiria> shouldn't be a problem to boot into single-user mode and clean things up
21:13 < pjlover> ah, ok.  So whatever's there, should be readable and copy-able (yes, in single-user mode)
21:13 < pjlover> Good :)
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21:14 < uwharrie> not much to gain copying if you're going to sysupgrade right after
21:16 < pjlover> agree, first step is to just try expanding the partition, and if that works, then sysupgrade should succeed and all will be good.  Though I still think I'll afterwards relocate the /usr partition towards the end of the disk, since my auto-allocated /usr was only 2GB, even though the disk has hundreds of GB free later, and I'd like to avoid this problem in the future. :)
21:17 < uwharrie> I eventually need to figure this out too. Have a system with a 1.8GB /usr that can't relink the kernel anymore
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23:04 < jmabsd> Do you have any idea, if you connect a connectx 4 MCX456 which has TWO QSFP28 ports, can you use ONE port in full 100gbit mode, and ONE port in split mode to 4x 25gbps?
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23:04 < jmabsd> man page: https://man.openbsd.org/mcx.4 driver: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/dev/pci/if_mcx.c?rev=1.119&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
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23:07 < jmabsd> This is called port splitting or breakout mode.
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23:15 < jmabsd> any idea at all how do? I guess it's possible for some NICs
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