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06:59 < shtrophic> Haha
06:59 < shtrophic> Couldn't see the forest for the trees
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07:25 < shtrophic> I suppose it would be even better if I do not need to put any username in there - maybe something like who(1) for x sessions
07:26 < shtrophic> Or d-bus, for that matter
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11:58 < librecat> would you recommend OpenBSD as a NAS and Home Server?
11:58 < librecat> im planning to have 2 ssd's in raid 1, mount it somewhere and have a http, ftp and git server pointed at it
11:59 < librecat> this is my first time getting into homelabbing and i made the initial concept out of linux
11:59 < librecat> but i thought OpenBSD would be much easier to keep updated compared to gentoo linux
11:59 < oldlaptop> That depends on what you actually want to do with it. "NAS" could run into some limitations relative to other free unixes (no zfs or lvm or similar things, no NFSv4).
12:00 < librecat> oldlaptop: mostly backups
12:00 < oldlaptop> On the one hand, OpenBSD's filesystem has been in production for damn near 40 years. On the other hand, OpenBSD's filesystem has been in production for damn near 40 years.
12:01 < oldlaptop> (you could argue ffs2 is "younger than that")
12:01 < librecat> yep i thought that as long as i dont need fancy features like you said it will be fine
12:02 < librecat> oldlaptop: i just built the thing with linux to try the concept out and it worked fine
12:02 < sibiria> even with openbsd's pitiful softraid, openbsd's low disk i/o should be faster than your network speed. it should perform just fine as a NAS
12:03 < oldlaptop> If that only involves RAID and ext4 (or similar), there shouldn't be any real problems.
12:03 < librecat> yeah not planning to learn ZFS
12:03 < sibiria> if your platform has hardware raid (even "fakeraid" on consumer motherboard) you should prefer that over openbsd's softraid
12:03 < oldlaptop> (unless you need NFSv4, I suppose.)
12:03 < librecat> i just want a easy to administer NAS that will just work and a bit of server hosting when i get bored
12:04 < librecat> sibiria: got it, good idea, should help with rebuilds right
12:04 < sibiria> rebuilds would be a bit faster, but i generally recommend people to avoid openbsd's standard softraid levels because the softraid driver is poor and slow
12:05 < sibiria> it's great for full-disk encryption, but nothing else
12:05 < sibiria> it writes to disks in sequence, not in parallel, so with two drives you will have ~50% the throughput. with three drives, ~33% the throughput, etc.
12:06 < librecat> ah ok
12:06 < sibiria> and because of this problem, your risk of desyncing the array increases
12:06 < librecat> my board seems to have hardware raid
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12:07 < librecat> sibiria: is -current a good idea or should i use -stable
12:07 < sibiria> with openbsd softraid 0/1/5 you will, in fact, massively increase your risk of a desynced array in case of writes during a crash. it poses more problems than it solves, in my opinion
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12:08 < sibiria> imo -stable. running snapshots is never a good idea for anything but wanting to help "dogfood" openbsd
12:09 < librecat> ok, seems like a hardware raid 1 and ffs2 partitioning on the array, seperate os install on a different ssd, regular syspatch and pkg upgrades seems like the perfect low maintanence NAS
12:10 < librecat> as in the storage pool is seperate from the os
12:10 < sibiria> sounds like a plan, i'm sure it'll work great
12:11 < librecat> also it will encourage me to learn OpenBSD enough to use it on desktop as primary :D
12:12 < librecat> actually sibiria lemme try installing OpenBSD on a VM or that small os only ssd and try stuff out
12:12 < librecat> before i go out and buy some large ssd's as the storage pool
12:12 < librecat> i can always mount and symlink
12:13  * oldlaptop wouldn't think SSDs are the thing for mass cold storage ("backups") quite yet
12:13 < oldlaptop> arguably they're never the thing for really 'cold' storage (AIUI flash RAM has issues when left unpowered for extended periods)
12:14 < librecat> oldlaptop: that doesnt matter when you drop your cold storage and it dies instantly
12:14 < oldlaptop> this is not a particularly common problem for servers
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12:15 < sibiria> i'd also go for conventional HDD for backups/storage. too many hissyfit risks with flash memory
12:16 < oldlaptop> If you're popping the drive in and out all the time, you're better off accepting that the data on it are at risk and behaving accordingly. (Among other things, those connectors aren't designed for a zillion cycles like something external-facing)
12:17 < sibiria> i really do like low-rpm non-hybrid 2.5" disks for long term storage. the simpler the better
12:20 < oldlaptop> Still a price premium too, at least depending on the capacity point. (Inflation-adjusted the price of a 1-2TB SSD is still pretty mind-bogglingly low.)
12:21 < oldlaptop> cheaper than all my old favorite 7200RPM 750G-1TB WD laptop drives were even in nominal terms
12:22 < sibiria> i think SSD storage, considering how much cheaper it is to produce than an HDD, is still subject to manufacturers "carving gold"
12:23 < sibiria> 1TB can be found for $60-70 or thereabout, but for the same money spent on HDDs you get twice the capacity
12:24 < sibiria> in my part of the world, at least :)
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12:26 < sibiria> i can get 10TB 3.5" here for about $150
12:27 < sibiria> SMR drives, but capacity all the same
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12:29 < sibiria> make that $200, been a while since i had any idea what the exchange rates are like apparently
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14:52 < ssm_> is there a way to point a ns query at another name, IE reddit.com -> redlib.some.domain? hosts(5) seems to only support pointing names at numeric addresses, and unwind lacks this capability. is the solution running a full unbound(8) server? or statically generating hosts files using nslookup or something
14:55 < lts> You probably need to run your own recursive server yes, and unbound is excellent for that
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15:46 < Posterdati> hi
15:47 < opioid_addict11> hello
15:47 < Posterdati> please help, on a xeon machine: cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3210 @ 2.13GHz, 4558.81 MHz, 06-0f-0b, patch 000000ba I've got this kernel message: WARNING: clock gained 23 days WARNING: CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!
15:47 < Posterdati> Thanks!
15:47 < Posterdati> is this a problem with the cmos battery?
15:49 < quinq> Have you configured the clock before?
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16:12 < jrmu> Posterdati: maybe the cmos battery died so every time you power off the computer, the clock is inaccurate; that's what happened for me
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19:25 < vortexx> https://github.com/orgs/X11Libre/discussions/346 <-- XLibre initial proof of concept on OpenBSD, runs as root of course
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21:14 < humm> XLibre is nonsense
21:14 < el_pepe> Why? well, it could be a short lived fad. Time will tell.
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21:47 < humm> started by a reactionary who doesn’t seem to know C very well (and was banned from fd.o)
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22:00 < ssm_> humm is correct
22:01 < ssm_> "politics-free" project where the lead doesn't have the sense to keep their obvious offtopic dogwhistles out of their readme/about page
22:02 < ssm_> {obvious,dog whistles} remove one
22:03 < el_pepe> the last isnt really a problem to be honest, but the first points are. Too bad, this will probably die with time. Redot is prob not far from being abandoned.
22:05 < ssm_> rip bozo
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22:36 < oldlaptop> presumably the actual openbsd developers would consider patches; AIUI the general technical quality of this xlibre thing has so far not impresseed
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22:43 < o0x1eef> https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/blob/master/HISTORY.md
22:45 < o0x1eef> To be fair it doesn't sound like they had much of a choice but to fork, and the situation doesn't sound so different to the NetBSD split. 
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22:57 < tommyrot> smells of AI
22:57 < ssm_> random mention of redot tells me all I need to know
22:58 < oldlaptop> tommyrot: *That* one did not occur to me.
22:58 < o0x1eef> IMO it's not AI. That has raw emotion in it.
22:58 < tommyrot> 20-30 chunky commits per day all over the tree
22:58 < oldlaptop> (If you are correct that would presumably not tend to improve technical quality if used for C as well as English)
22:58 < tommyrot> by one guy
22:58 < oldlaptop> Ah.
22:58 < tommyrot> yeah, i'm sceptical
22:59 < oldlaptop> if anything 'keeps X development going' it's not going to be an LLM
23:01 < o0x1eef> Anyway, fuck redhat
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23:54 < MelMalik> Unlike the XLibre dev group, FreeDesktop at least doesn't want to kill people like me.
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