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17:17 < ssm_> how do I set up a rule to block/pass based on some http header (useragent in this case, ai crawlers)? nginx has this built in, but httpd doesn't seem to support this
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17:22 < ssm_> maybe you need to examine the inbound packet with a custom program using divert(4), then passed to pf's divert-packet capability?
17:22 < thrig> httpd doesn't have many knobs. there are other programs that do
17:24 < ssm_> thrig: anything in base? or will I be looking to ports
17:25 < lts> With relayd, using match/block/pass request header "User-Agent"
17:25 < ssm_> ah, thank you
17:26 < ssm_> . o O ( was secretly looking for a reason to test out divert(4) sockets )
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17:33 < IcePic> ssm_: yeah, divert sounds interesting
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17:50 < uzuri> hi vortexx, today i could upgrade my snapshot as expected, all good now. someone in the mailing list (i subscribed to all of them now.) even reported the same problem which i had, to which Nick Holland himself replied and said the exact same thing about CDNs as you. :thumbsup:
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18:00 < IcePic> I've noticed that there are some platforms for which 7.7 sets are missing in snaps but 7.8 isn't there yet. The semi-slow platforms, like spacr64,octeon and macppc. The fast ones have 7.8-beta sets and the slow ones are still on 7.7
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18:07 < oldlaptop> Another (stupid) solution: build your own stuff, at least you know where it comes from and why it isn't ready yet
18:07 < uzuri> IcePic yeah it took a long time on x86 too yesterday, bit messy of a transition
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18:08 < uzuri> how long does it take to build all sets, on like an average computer?
18:08 < oldlaptop> I don't even know what "an average computer" is.
18:09 < oldlaptop> I can report that about half the exposed "CPUs" on a Ryzen 7 3700X (if I remember my model number correctly!) take an hour or two to build a release when assigned to a KVM guest, with storage on spinning rust somewhere
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18:10 < oldlaptop> It seems like half of that time or more is building llvm.
18:10 < oldlaptop> (Probably not literally true.)
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18:11 < cgnarne> there's no good reason to build the system from source. unless you use your computer to heat your appartment
18:11 < oldlaptop> A Pentium III takes more like a day, or did the last time I did that.
18:11 < uzuri> something inbetween a core 2 duo thinkpad from 2005 and a xeon workstation
18:12 < uzuri> i see, so a bit faster than a browser
18:12 < uzuri> cgnarne isnt there no other way to follow -stable than by building from source?
18:13 < Bradipo> syspatch?
18:13 < cgnarne> and sysupdate
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18:13 < oldlaptop> Yes, I would say a whole release is on roughly the same build-time scale as firefox, and somewhat less than chrome.
18:13 < uzuri> afaik this doesnt cover all of the -stable changes
18:14 < oldlaptop> cgnarne: I freely admit I do not have a good reason. I want a one-line freetype diff, and it'
18:14 < oldlaptop> *it's faster in terms of my time to build a whole release with that than to patch it on each machine I run OpenBSD on.
18:15 < cgnarne> oldlaptop: fair point
18:15 < oldlaptop> It would be nicer to accomplish the same thing with runtime configuration.
18:15 < thrig> thems be knobs
18:16 < cgnarne> let's just say there's almost never a good reason
18:16 < oldlaptop> (The build machine nowadays runs gentoo on the metal for partly the same reason, they have a USE flag that turns off the freetype hinting engine I don't want)
18:16 < oldlaptop> the net effect being to optimize freetype to render the only two fonts I care about better
18:16 < oldlaptop> to the total exclusion of all the other fonts, which are irrelevant
18:16 < cgnarne> thrig: why won't you leave those poor knobs alone? :(
18:17 < uzuri> cgnarne from the faq: "-stable: A release plus patches found on the errata page. When very important fixes are made to -current, they are backported to the supported -stable branches."
18:18 < cgnarne> uzuri: yes, that's what syspatch is for
18:18 < uzuri> those important fixes are not always included in the erratas
18:18 < oldlaptop> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/media-libs/freetype/freetype-2.14.0.ebuild#n136 - file "why did they write $PACKAGE_NAME into a hardcoded path inside upstream's source tarball" under "the mysteries of linux"
18:19 < oldlaptop> Historically that would have been another good reason to build your own releases. syspatch is relatively new.
18:20 < oldlaptop> At one time there simply were no updated binaries for -stable. M:tier (a consulting firm that either employs some OpenBSD developers or used to) used to provide access to the -stable releases it built, or you could do it yourself.
18:20 < oldlaptop> That still is the situation for some machines.
18:20 < oldlaptop> (only those are the ones that didn't get M:tier binaries either)
18:21 < uzuri> M:Tier is no longer doing that since a few years though
18:21 < Bradipo> Well, it wasn't necessary to build full release before though. One could just download the errata patch and build/install that.
18:21 < oldlaptop> Not nearly as much call for it when the project offers official amd64 -stable binaries.
18:22 < oldlaptop> Bradipo: True. If you're lazy, however, building a release might perhaps exchange your time fiddling with patches for the computer's time doing cvs and gcc busywork.
18:22 < uzuri> wait where are those binaries available?
18:22 < oldlaptop> (it was gcc at that time)
18:22 < oldlaptop> uzuri: In the form of -stable packages, and binary syspatches.
18:23 < Bradipo> Oh, sure. I suppose if you had 10 systems to patch, it was faster to do a release.
18:23 < Bradipo> Definitely moreso if you had 100.
18:24 < uzuri> oldlaptop, oh i already thought you meant entire -stable system binaries
18:24 < vortexx> on my 8 core 2019 Xeon it takes about 90 mins to build a release, and I build a release myself so I can build ports to sign with my own key before the release lands
18:24 < vortexx> (I usually download the release sets once they're out and install over my release so I can use sysupgrade properly)
18:24 < vortexx> uzuri: glad you were able to upgrade
18:27 < uzuri> maybe i should test how long it takes for my 2x 36c xeons from 2014 to build, if it only takes 90 mins for you
18:29 < sonya> oldlaptop, is there a difference if simply put false hintnone ?
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18:29 < oldlaptop> I do not remember the correct XML incantation offhand.
18:30 < oldlaptop> With KDE back in ports I can just let it write the configuration.
18:30 < sonya> it turns hinting off fot freetype
18:30 < sonya> for^
18:31 < oldlaptop> I don't want hinting off, exactly. I want the "autohinter" stuff off, because the two correct fonts, DejaVu Serif and DejaVu Sans Mono, render very well with full 'manual' hinting on.
18:31 < oldlaptop> This corresponds to "hintfull" or something, and the v35 (NOT v40) interpreter or hinting engine or whatever it's called.
18:32 < oldlaptop> I'm given to understand this results in people who like microsoft fonts being unhappy with how they render or something.
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18:33 < Bradipo> I must admit I'm a font ignoramus. I can never figure out how they work and fit in.
18:34 < Bradipo> What's the difference between hinting on/off autohinter, etc?
18:34 < Bradipo> Do you have screenshots showing the difference?
18:36 < oldlaptop> I don't claim to be an expert either. I just know I really like this (@$#!imgur - they will only serve the raw image to curl or something else that doesn't set Accept:): https://i.imgur.com/ED2VWy1.png
18:36 < sonya> https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/hinting/subpixel-hinting.html
18:36 < oldlaptop> I compile freetype such that it can't render the default, wrong way on my systems, so I can't make a 'before' easily.
18:37 < oldlaptop> sonya: "give your brain time to adjust" still ticks me off after all these years.
18:40 * sonya back in the days patched ft to render the way apple/macos does, but now just use defaults in base, adjusting if needed..
18:40 < oldlaptop> It doesn't really matter for Appleoid high-DPI displays.
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19:18 < vortexx> wasn't there back in the day some knob in XFree86 to tweak and it would turn on the adobe font rendering (or something like that, proprietary) so that fonts looked a lot better?
19:18 * vortexx remembers trying to figure out X11 Font Server. What a bundle of joy that was...
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