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14:00 < swampman> I hope I don't resend the message, but I wasn't logged in, so I'm not sure if it was sent.
14:01 < swampman> Hello everyone. So basically my issue is that I have a Makefile which works with gmake but give an error every time I try it with OpenBSD's make. I skimmed over what seemed relevant in make(1), but I still have no clue. https://ghostbin.lain.la/paste/az7s9 This is the Makefile in question. 
14:01 < swampman> I forgot the error.
14:02 < swampman> It's cc: error: no input files
14:05 < swampman> I tried changing it to not use wildcards/patsubst and do everything by hand, but that also raises this error.
14:06 < pardis> at a glance, make(1) doesn't say anything about supporting $^, which you are using as cc's input files
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14:17 < sibiria> for bsd make you might be looking for $>, which expands to the prereqs of the target
14:18 < sibiria> e.g.:   boop: blah.c main.c       gcc -o $@ $>
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14:19 < sibiria> s/gcc/clang/ # for justice
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14:25 < swampman> Like this?         $(CC) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ $>
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14:26 < sibiria> that should work, in itself. though i honestly don't know if the stuff further up, which enumerates files to the $OBJS variable, will work
14:26 < sibiria> the call to "patsubst"
14:27 < sibiria> that type of dynamic Makefile is very GNU. BSD make is not as evolved
14:28 < sibiria> you may need to work around it, at worst by manually specifying the list
14:29 < swampman> Hmm, I'll try specifying it manually and report back if that changes something. You mean the OBJS and the SRCS variables, right?
14:29 < sibiria> yes
14:29 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/m.txt
14:29 < sibiria> as an alternative gmake is available...
14:29 < sibiria> as an alternative, thrig is available
14:29 < swampman> What's thrig?
14:30 < sibiria> that, right there *points at thrig*
14:30  * swampman looks in the direction of thrig
14:31 < sibiria> BSD make has a few tricks up its sleeve. i know barely any of them but thrig's makefile shows some of it
14:31 < swampman> Ahh, wait, it's a username. Nevermind, I was confused.
14:32 < sibiria> search for "special targets" in the man page for make
14:35 < ssm_> writing portable makefiles with openbsd make is weird, because it is mostly POSIX.1 compliant, but through extensions is also (unintentionally?) compatible with newer posix make versions features such as ?= += flags (:= does something else entirely in our make), so I usually write a some weird hybrid of posix.1 and newer posix with extensions our make happens to share with newer posix
14:36 < sibiria> i tend to be very explicit and basic with it, listing prereqs one by one, no special targets etc.
14:36 < sibiria> works fine for small stuff. and i'm small stuff
14:37 < ssm_> I'm stuff
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14:45 < swampman> I changed my Makefile to process every file manually, however I still get an error: https://ghostbin.lain.la/paste/yxs89 which is this one https://ghostbin.lain.la/paste/55cdo . I wrote out all the src/ in the paths, because ${SRC_DIR} would have been longer. Either way, it's almost the same error again.
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14:53 < thrig> might be better to have a src/Makefile and the parent Makefile calls the subdir one
14:57 < swampman> Heh, it works now. Thanks.
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15:04 < humm> swampman: OpenBSD make and gmake both support suffix rules of the form .c.o; use those to deduplicate the compilation rules
15:05 < humm> (they’re also in POSIX, unlike % pattern rules)
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15:29 < swampman> Hmm, it looks like this now and more or less works, but I don't know what to change so the .o files don't pollute the root directory and go to a dedicated build directory instead. I tried "[..] -o $(BUILD_DIR)/$@" but it doesn't seem to work. 
15:30 < swampman> https://ghostbin.lain.la/paste/vpoqy
15:30 < swampman> Like this.
15:32 < swampman> I don't understand why this wouldn't work.
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15:34 < humm> swampman: Look at the output of make. Do you understand how the Makefile translates to the commands make emits?
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15:36 < humm> oh, by dedicated build directory you mean not next to the source files? yeah no, there’s no portable way to do that
15:36 < humm> but you can use OpenBSD make’s .OBJDIR stuff for that without changing the Makefile
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15:42 < shtrophic> I'm trying to debug a TUI app. How do you do it on openbsd? There is no gdbserver available...
15:42 < thrig> I usually 2>log and then add fprintf(stderr, ...
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15:44 < shtrophic> what?
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15:44 < shtrophic> it is about btop
15:44 < jmcunx> I pretty much do the same as thrig
15:45 < shtrophic> that will draw over any gdb UI
15:45 < shtrophic> what you are saying is printf debugging?
15:45 < swampman> humm: It works somewhat, the .o files in the build directory, but only when I type make (with anything else, and then the main executable is missing). When I type "make all" all the .o files are in the root directory of the project in spite of the .OBJDIR thingy being there.
15:45 < swampman> https://ghostbin.lain.la/paste/myogo
15:46 < swampman> That's the Makefile now.
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15:47 < thrig> gdb or any debugger would be very much a last resort for debugging
15:47 < swampman> It's the same when I uncomment the "$(OBJS)" variable
15:47 < jmcunx> shtrophic: Doesn't gdb allow redirection to another terminal ?  maybe start btop on one term and use --attach-pid on another
15:48 < shtrophic> isn't attaching to non-child processes something that openbsd by default prevents
15:48 < shtrophic> but you are right, there is a -tty option
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15:58 < shtrophic> ...
15:59 < shtrophic> are you really telling me that the way to go of debugging executables on openbsd is printf debugging
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16:00 < sibiria> "caveman" debugging is a fully valid tool for a lot of scenarios. shunned and underestimated
16:02 < humm> it’s a valid way to go on any operating system
16:02 < humm> and gdb works fine on OpenBSD
16:04 < shtrophic> I just discovered that the builtin gdb is version 6.3, and that in ports, there is another gdb, version 16.3!!
16:05 < shtrophic> you mean, egdb works fine on openbsd :)
16:05 < pardis> egdb normally works better, yes
16:05 < thrig> the best (but least popular) debugging technique is to sit on your hands and think about the problem
16:06 < sibiria> it's a quantum process. let it stew in the background
16:07 < pardis> rm(1) is my favourite debugger
16:07 < shtrophic> oh well. I can debug btop now. thanks for listening to my ted talk
16:07 < sibiria> pardis: in the old days, and surely still, the usual advice from self-appointed IT janitors was to "format windows"
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16:13 < thrig> Mac OS also needed a reinstall every now and then
16:16 < sibiria> for me, next to openbsd, OS X and macOS is the OS that never gave me any gripes
16:17 < sibiria> did have a kernel panic once, when experimenting with under-volting the CPU back in the early MacIntel days
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16:18 < thrig> I have a lot of gripes with macOS, such as the entire notification system (how do you turn it off?), Finder previews, and other things
16:19 < sibiria> you turn them off in the Notifications settings panel
16:19 < sibiria> (somewhat unsurprisingly)
16:20 < thrig> nope, you still get notification spam, such as "you started a game! there's game mode!!!" every time you start a game
16:21 < thrig> (I went through the notifications settings panel thing, set "do not disturb", turned off all notification, and yet there was still notification spam)
16:21 < sibiria> oh the game mode notification. that's actually controlled by each application individually
16:21 < sibiria> it doesn't manifest through the usual notifications API
16:21 < sibiria> admittedly not a fan of it either, but can't say it gets in the way
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18:33 < izder456> found a simple workaround though
18:33 < izder456> i posted about it in ports@
18:33 < izder456> just curious to see if anybody else were affected
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