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04:50 < radhitya_> does anyone uses rspamd? if does, i wonder why mine is consuming around 20% (i see via htop)
04:51 < radhitya_> i'm using default setting :)
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12:56 < lil_lasagna> any small laptop recommendations with good openbsd support that are not the x200 and x220?
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13:03 < vortexx> dell xps 13s are usually good but be careful on the wifi chip, as always. They do a linux compatible line that *should* work in most cases (usually an ax2** card these days)
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13:06 < vortexx> most XPS 13s since the 9350 of 2015 work pretty well on OpenBSD (9310 needs to be linux model or you get the AX500)
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13:10 < lil_lasagna> thanks, I'll look into those
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13:14 < sonya> any cheap lappy from aliexpress with cpu's from n95 to n305 (best one).. replace wifi to any supported model.. all could fit into $200 limit..
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13:19 < lil_lasagna> goodness, I had never considered aliexpress
13:19 < lil_lasagna> just browsed a bit and everything seems so sketchy 
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13:35 < sibiria> the majority of it is sketchy
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13:50 < mischief> i've had almost all good experiences on aliexpress, but i've never bought anything over like $30. i was always tempted by some of those fanless pcs with lots of nics for openbsd, though..
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13:54 < oldlaptop> <lil_lasagna> any small laptop recommendations with good openbsd support that are not the x200 and x220?
13:54 < oldlaptop> I assume "X61" is not what you want to hear
13:54 < oldlaptop> (nice form factor if you can live with core2)
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13:59 < lil_lasagna> oldlaptop: actually, I don't mind at all
13:59  * oldlaptop quite likes X3x as well, but PIII-M is getting impractical, and an SD reader is way more useful than a CF reader
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14:00 < lil_lasagna> oldlaptop: how is the performance
14:00 < lts> I'm not sure how much even OpenBSD can protect you from an AliExpress laptop, but everyone has their own threat model :-) 
14:00 < oldlaptop> (also anything that takes IDE disks is a pain)
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14:01 < oldlaptop> lil_lasagna: X6x are Core Duo/Core 2 Duo. They were firebreathers for the size, but that was, what, fifteen years ago?
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14:01 < oldlaptop> Will struggle with modern web disasters. (Also core2-period Intel integrated graphics are not fast)
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14:02 < oldlaptop> (and were not fast at the time)
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14:02 < oldlaptop> On the plus side: SATA disks, 4:3 form factor, no touchpad
14:05 < oldlaptop> Nice fat batteries, but they're all fifteen years old and have to feed a firebreathing normal-voltage core2
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14:07 < lil_lasagna> I mean, I daily drive an x200 with ssd and artix, runs very well for my needs
14:07 < lil_lasagna> that also has a core2
14:07 < swampman> My XTerm is behaving strangely: For some reason I triggered something that makes the arrow keys delete text, I can't scroll up or down in the ksh history, sometimes it deletes multiple characters with the arrow keys, sometimes less. Is this some kind of Vi-keybinding mode or something similar? What is this?
14:08 < lil_lasagna> I had openbsd on it before, but changed back to linux because it was pretty sluggish
14:08 < swampman> It's only Xterm and this weird behavior doesn't stop when I spawn a terminal.
14:11 < ivdsangen> does "set -o emacs" help? vi mode can suddenly happen if you set EDITOR to something like vi or vim iirc
14:12 < swampman> I do have EDITOR set to vim.
14:12 < mischief> vi mode ftw
14:13 < swampman> Yes, with set -o emacs it works again. Is there a way I can have EDITOR set to vim without this happening?
14:13 < ivdsangen> i explicitly set emacs mode in my .kshrc
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14:23 < jmcunx> ivdsangen: "vi mode can ..." does not make sense, Is "ENV" set ? 
14:24 < jmcunx> Also of ksh is somehow started as a non-login shell, IIRC, ~/.kshrc is skipped
14:24 < pardis> that's not correct
14:24 < pardis> and it does make sense (and is true)
14:25 < pardis> you can read ksh(1) if you doubt this
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14:25 < jmcunx> Odd, I never has that happen on OpenBSD.  Will re-read ksh
14:25 < swampman> I don't have a .kshrc, I just put everything in .profile, if that's what you mean.
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14:25 < swampman> Maybe that causes this.
14:26 < pardis> what causes it is setting EDITOR to vim, regardless of how you do that
14:27 < pardis> you need to run 'set -o emacs' when the shell starts, which you can do either in .profile (and configure xterm to start a login shell) or by setting ENV
14:28 < jmcunx> I have EDITOR="/usr/local/bin/vim", maybe that is the difference
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14:28 < ivdsangen> jmcunx: in my case .kshrc is actually sourced from .profile, so .kshrc never gets skipped here
14:29 < sonya> swampman, here is this (in ~/.profile) FCEDIT=/usr/local/bin/vim
14:30 < jmcunx> pardis just explaind that it does happen with EDITOR, I never seen that here :)  Will have tp pay more attention to what is happening :)
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14:35 < swampman> I got a second question. So basically I'm still looking for a way to create files which can work as an encrypted volume with softraid. I tried making a diff for vnconfig to have AES, which probably would've been the better solution, however, as far as I can guess it's debatable whether vnd encryption will even remain in OpenBSD, as such it's probably a mad idea to rely on it. Is it possible to do what I 
14:35 < swampman> want with softraid?
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14:35 < pardis> yes, just use vnconfig without encryption and softraid on the resulting volume
14:36 < swampman> *or maybe not softraid, but an file with a filesystem on it with a pre-defined size that can be encrypted, however that might be.
14:39 < swampman> Hmm, I'll look into it. 
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14:46 < sonya> swampman, vnconfig + encfs could be an option, if i got it right.. encfs could do aes, blowfish and camellia
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15:25 < jmcunx> net issues :)  But I just got to the ksh man.  I also set VISUAL, so that is probably why I never saw that issue.
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17:16 < kwami>  Hi guys... Whats d reliable way to set a line wich prevent smtpd to receive email from a list of domains? The directive "match for any from mail-from <deny> reject" isnt working
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17:50 < jgh> not an smtpd user, but I think you need a maildir table for your list, with elements "@dom.ain"
17:51 < jgh> I'm referring to https://man.openbsd.org/smtpd.conf and https://man.openbsd.org/table.5
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21:33 < swampman> lil_lasagna: The Dell Latitude series supposedly works well with OpenBSD. They also have support for flashing Coreboot internally, if that's something you care about.
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21:39 < Bradipo> I have a Dell Latitude and it mostly works.  The NVidia stuff doesn't work.  And there's a built-in wifi adapter that doesn't work.
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21:50 < swampman> I think there are ones that chip with Intel graphics and with Nvidia graphics.
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22:06 < oldlaptop> "Dell Latitude" means about as much as "Thinkpad", they've varied a whole hell of a lot over the last thirty years
22:07 < oldlaptop> Interestingly they had those same bad NVIDIA chips as the Thinkpad T61 (where Lenovo switched to NVIDIA right when NVIDIA decided to introduce the new "defective piece of junk" feature on their mobile product line)
22:08 < oldlaptop> (on contemporary machines, which was certain D-series ones)
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