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05:05 < cgnarne> do you have inet6 autoconf in your hostname.if?
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09:02 < lusciouslover> yes
09:02 < lusciouslover> and now that i do it seems like i do have an ipv6
09:02 < lusciouslover> since doing ping6 0x0.st has the same output as it does on my artix computer, and doing curl ip.me now returns an ipv6
09:03 < lusciouslover> but if i just do ping 0x0.st it returns 0x0s ipv4, unlike the working linux install which returns an ipv6, and also trying to visit 0x0.st in the web browser still tells me my isp is blocking it, which doesnt happen on the working computer
09:04 < lusciouslover> so i guess its favouring the ipv4 over using the ipv6, at least that is what i assume from this, and i dont know how to solve that
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09:05 < IcePic> resolv.conf has a setting for which order to prefer resolving
09:08 < lusciouslover> doesnt seem to change anything after a reboot
09:11 < IcePic> well, "ping .." is ever only meant to use ipv4 on obsd, so that part is correct. 
09:11 < IcePic> even if other OSes might try to consolidate the ping/ping6 into one single tool
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09:30 < lusciouslover> im at a loss for why x0.at and 0x0.st could be appearing as blocked then if ipv4 pinging is expected behaviour
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09:37 < rcf> lusciouslover: ICMP can work even if TCP (or higher level protocols, even) is blocked. 
09:38 < sibiria> are you the subject of a draconian ISP peeking into your traffic?
09:38 < rcf> sibiria: many of them try to be 'helpful' and treat pastebins as malware vectors. 
09:38 < sibiria> or perhaps a prisoner in the "socialist" dictatorship Molvania in eastern europe?
09:38 < sibiria> are you, in fact, a lost pacman in a maze inhabited with ghosts?
09:39 < lusciouslover> in the eastern blok country of usa with fascist isp spectrum
09:40 < lusciouslover> and these sites work fine on all my other devices on the network, its only this openbsd laptop that cant reach it
09:41 < sibiria> i'm 99% certain openbsd isn't the culprit, but it's hard to know without seeing the specifics of your network and dns
09:43 < rcf> Which browser are you using? 
09:43 < lusciouslover> qutebrowser
09:43 < lusciouslover> but just trying to do curl 0x0.st results in there being no output at all, so i assume its blocked there too
09:44 < rcf> What's the output with -vv? 
09:44 < rcf> Granted you can't use 0x0 to share that, but there's a pastebin that works I'm sure. 
09:45 < lusciouslover> ssh works fine so i can just copy the output from the artix computer
09:46 < lusciouslover> https://0x0.st/KAud.txt
09:47 < lusciouslover> the url under location is the same url 0x0.st redirects to when i try to access it in qutebrowser on openbsd
09:47 < sibiria> https is much easier to interfer with. and there are lots of reasons why various ISPs try to
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09:48 < sibiria> but it's good that you can at least SSH without apparent issues
09:51 < rcf> So DNS is working fine, they're intercepting the actual HTTP traffic. 
10:03 < rcf> lusciouslover: can you get a traceroute to 0x0.st? 
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10:08 < IcePic> with mtr you could have it trace with tcp towards port 80 and see how far it comes, compared to port 22
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10:10 < IcePic> mtr --tcp -P 80 0x0.st
10:11 < IcePic> hetzner seem to have quite redundant links, so you get a lot of diff. paths in the steps before the oxo.st host
10:12 < IcePic> .. 0x0.st
10:12 < chaseleif> I recently started having problems with 0x0.st. I cannot view any of them.
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10:14 < chaseleif> I have a pihole and use it with unbound for dns, I've assumed this was the problem.
10:14 < rcf> I have no issues at all, but my ISP doesn't hate me and I don't do much in the way of filtering myself. 
10:14 < sibiria> i haven't been able to reach 0x0.st for some time either. i thought it was related to them saying they were shutting down or something
10:15 < chaseleif> I don't particularly mind, I just use another pastebin, I just saw someone else's message
10:15 < rcf> ...well, my home ISP does kind of hate me by not providing IPv6, but I'm not going to give up symmetrical fiber over that.
10:16 < chaseleif> all my machines are set to ipv4 only, though I don't think that should matter since my router can use ipv6
10:17 < chaseleif> dunno
10:18 < rcf> sibiria: they've had some reliability issues as well, but that's pretty much all of these sorts of things once they get any degree of popularity. Either due to resource issues or legal issues. 
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10:18 < rcf> Mostly seem past that as of late. 
10:20 < mischief> there's always ipfs
10:20 < chaseleif> I have wgetpaste on my Gentoo machine, and I just switched the default service
10:21 < rcf> I just use my own at this point. Easier than constantly switching.
10:22 < chaseleif> if I go to ping 0x0.st the address is shown as 0.0.0.0, I think the pihole is blocking it
10:22 < sibiria> ipfs is fascinating to me. i used to run a node back in 2017. and just last year i found an old link to a file i uploaded to the network as a test, right at its beginning in 2015, and the file was still present and accessible
10:23 < rcf> chaseleif: indeed. 
10:23 < lusciouslover> rcf: doing a traceroute it never reaches 0x0.st, it seems like the mtr command IcePic sent seems to reach it though. also doing curl -vv with the url for a file from 0x0.st i get Send failure: Broken pipe, and can see "TLS connect error"
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10:23 < rcf> lusciouslover: going over TCP port 80 will get you somewhere. You need to compare that to the artix box that actually works. 
10:23 < IcePic> tls error might mean talking to it doesnt work, but mtr only makes sure a tcp syn could reach the dest, not that it can get an intelligent reply from it
10:24 < rcf> Remember, you're getting a reply. It's just from your ISP pretending to be 0x0.st
10:24 < lusciouslover> right
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10:26 < mischief> sibiria: it makes a workable pastebin in a pinch
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10:29 < lusciouslover> the first hop on openbsd in mtr is SAC2V1K.lan, meanwhile on artix its syn-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-0000-0000-0000-0001.res6.spectrum.com (withoout the x's i used to obfuscate numbers)
10:29 < chaseleif> redacted
10:31 < chaseleif> libera gives masks
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10:32 < IcePic> no real need to obfuscate numbers if you ip is visible in irc already
10:33 < lusciouslover> i forgot that honestly
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10:41 < lts> IP is visible now, but logs stay forever 
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12:50 < daugaard> Why does slaacd give both a temporary and non-temporary address?
12:50 < daugaard> (Using just "inet6 autoconf")
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13:18 < IcePic> daugaard: I think you make privacy v6 ips aswell
13:18 < IcePic> those with a leasetime of one day, and not dependent/created-from your mac
13:22 < daugaard> Wouldn't I, for a non-server host, only want temporary addresses?
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13:29 < IcePic> depends, but even you might need/want to ssh between hosts in your network so some kind of predictable ip would be decent to have
13:29 < IcePic> for it to answer on, even if it uses temp for all outgoing connections like dns,ntp and so forth
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13:33 < daugaard> Makes sense. I just don't see any indication that only the non-temporary will be used for outgoing connections
13:34 < daugaard> I mean "only the temporary"
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13:48 < IcePic> daugaard: that is how the v6 stack works
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13:48 < IcePic> or "should work" at least
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13:50 < IcePic> "man ifconfig" -> search for INET6 , read on "temporary"
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14:05 < daugaard> I don't think that text quite says that non-temporary addresses wont be used when temporary ones are available, but I found confirmation in /usr/src/sys/netinet6/in6.c (line 1504)
14:18 < IcePic> no, it says they are enabled by default, and used to protect your privacy from the "outside"
14:18 < IcePic> if machines always skipped using the temp ips, you might aswell no had any temp ips to begin with, since your fixed ones would always be visible in all your connections
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18:20 < mystic> hello guys, is that usual that install the debug-firefox package is extremely slow ?
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18:22 < thrig> firefox isn't a small package, the network or mirror could be slow, etc
18:22 < phy1729> and the debug package is going to be even bigger
18:23 < thrig> about a 6.3 on the Bloater scale
18:25 < mystic> thrig: ok.. maybe the package is big and the mirror is slow.. the mirror is going at 130KB/s
18:27 < oldlaptop> That sounds like something is wrong/crummy with the mirror or with your link to it.
18:30 < mystic> now it's a bit better.. it's around 300KB
18:30 < thrig> or you're writing to a RAID5 of USB floppy drives, etc
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18:37 < vortexx> mystic: are you on wifi by any chance, with a fairly ancient card? That'd explain it too
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18:41 < mystic> vortexx: nowifi.. it's ethernet+mobile_router my max bandwidth should be around 20mbit
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19:21 < mystic> hi guys
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19:32 < Bradipo> Hello.
19:32 < byteskeptical> sup
19:33 < Bradipo> I haven't used sup in a long time, for sure.
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19:34 < byteskeptical> well, reconsider
19:34 < byteskeptical> lol jk
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20:17 < rrhylx> Hi everyone. I'm wondering about something, still concerning the config internet -> vps -> LAN. I want to store the minimal amount of information on the vps. At first I thought of using relayd to redirect incoming https requests, but that requires that the tls keys are on the vps, if I want to assure tls from the internet client to the service
20:17 < rrhylx> hosted on LAN, then I think that relayd is not suitable. I have seen that haproxy can do that. Do you have any thoughts about that piece of soft and about my config?
20:18 < Bradipo> So have relayd relay to something that is on the LAN over a VPN/tunnel?
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20:18 < Bradipo> Or rather, use pf to redirect traffic to relayd on the LAN.
20:19 < xse> yeah wireguard + pf, i tried the following at some point when this topic was brought up: https://tmp.krkrkr.org/obsd_port_forward_phone_wireguard.txt
20:20 < rrhylx> but on the LAN I have potentially multiple machines, so the vps needs to know to which one it needs to redirect that packet.
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20:25 < xse> unsure, never used haproxy but it might be worth trying out. If the goal is minimal amount of information on the vps i'd rather do the 'decide which machine that goes to' bit on the LAN side
20:26 < rrhylx> so send all the traffic to one machine on the lan and then dispatch the packets with relayd on that machine?
20:29 < rrhylx> But then if that machine has a failure it will fail all the other services that where supposed to receive requests from that one, it is a bit like putting resistors in series instead of putting them in parallel, isn't it?
20:30 < Bradipo> If the VPS fails, sure.
20:30 < xse> or haproxy yeah whichever fits best. Indeed, granted you're in the same boat with the vps
20:31 < rrhylx> no I trust that the vps will not fail (that is exactly why I'm paying the vps for)
20:32 < pardis> you're going to be disappointed if you think that's why you pay for a VPS
20:32 < rrhylx> okok, but then my second question is that according to your knowledge, there is no native openbsd tool that does sni without the tls keys isn't it?
20:32 < rrhylx> can a vps be down?
20:33 < Bradipo> relayd can do SNI.
20:33 < Bradipo> But it has to have the TLS I believe.
20:33 < xse> that goes beyond my networking experience but i'm sure there are ways to have like a failover machine or something like that
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20:36 < rrhylx> Bradipo, yep I also think so.
20:37 < rrhylx> okok thanks xse, if anyone knows, I'm really willing to find a native solution. In the mean time, I think that haproxy really serves my needs for that one.
20:38 < Bradipo> Well, why not try relayd then.
20:41 < Bradipo> the "keypair" option does mention specifying the option multiple times for "TLS Server Name Indication".
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20:53 < rrhylx> because I don't want to store the tls keys on the vps
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20:56 < Bradipo> So then the VPS is just there to create a tunnel with a different system on your LAN that will store the keys?
20:57 < rrhylx> yes, but then to which machine on the LAN should I send the traffic to? If that machine fails, then potentially all the services that are not hosted on that machine will also be down. This scares me a bit.
20:58 < rrhylx> This is why the solution proposed by haproxy to sni without the keys seems a good option for me.
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21:03 < Bradipo> haproxy does MITM?
21:03 < pardis> I don't think MITM is what is meant here
21:03 < pardis> just looking at the SNI hostname and choosing where to forward the request based on that
21:04 < pardis> no decryption involved
21:04 < Bradipo> SNI occurs *before* TLS handshake then?
21:04 < pardis> it has to, otherwise it would be unable to fulfil its purpose
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21:06 < Bradipo> I suppose that's also how relayd is able to accomplish the same.
21:07 < Bradipo> rrhylx: Why not hack on relayd and add a new keyword for sni redirects? :-)
21:08 < xse> i'm not sure relayd is able to without having the keys
21:09 < Bradipo> If it's just a string comparision for a name, I don't see why keys would be necessary for a redirect.
21:10 < xse> technically yeah, it's just the manpage being confusing
21:10 < Bradipo> Oh, well, I'm not suggesting it can be done with the current relayd.conf.
21:10 < Bradipo> I'm suggesting new functionality be added "sni hostname"
21:11 < Bradipo> That can be used in redirections.
21:11 < Bradipo> It wouldn't need the keys for that since apparently no crypto is involved.
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21:18 < xse> yep can see it being useful
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23:11 < ssm_> useful since we don't have a www/librewolf. I'd recommend downing your interface beforehand if you do this: https://sciops.net/information/technology/firefox don't know how this compares to arkanfox
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23:15 < ssm_> s/your interface/all egress interfaces/
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23:24 < xse> there's so much knobs nowadays, and so many of em don't do exactly what you'd think they do
23:26 < xse> the disabled disk cache for example i recall does not matter for medias, which you can only disable if you 1) only use the private browsing mode and 2) there's browser.privatebrowsing.forceMediaMemoryCache
23:26 < xse> it's a nightmare
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