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00:26 < izder456> https://tilde.team/~izder456/blog/the-bsds-are-hard.html
00:26 < izder456> i wrote a little bloggy
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00:42 < shwouchk> Riviera: it turned out to be my mistake. Everything works fine as you expected. Sorry for the trouble
00:42 < shwouchk> And thank you
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00:50 < Riviera> shwouchk: cool, thanks for the follow-up :)
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01:13 < bombuzal> izder456: nice
01:13 < izder456> thanks!
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01:35 < iurirs> izder456 nice blog post :)
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01:45 < radhitya> good post, izder456 
01:45 < izder456> thanks
01:46 < radhitya> i thought you would post on tilde.institute (since it running openbsd)
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01:51 < bombuzal> 0o0o
01:52 < bombuzal> Shameless plug: You're very welcome to post on https://cryogenix.org/ (also running on OpenBSD, with a Perl::Mojolicious backend!), too :3
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01:52 < bombuzal> (Also web 1.5, no JavaScript - not even CloudFlare sly JS injection!)
01:53 < bombuzal> Also accessible over Tor for your privacy/convenience ;)
01:57 < izder456> radhitya: tilde.institude doesnt have active members it seems. I joined their irc channel for an invite and it was dead 
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02:03 < thrig> small things come and go
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04:46 < bluejaypop> hi, someone is using -current with kde ? i tried to do start-plasma-x11 but some errors shows up, I assume they have to do with the sysupgrade snapshot
05:00 < izder456> did you read the pkg-readme file?
05:00 < izder456> you don't start x11 sessions that way
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13:14 < elarks> h
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14:43 < Bradipo> I'm trying to debug a running process using: egdb binary -p pid
14:43 < Bradipo> But it fails with: ptrace: Operation not permitted
14:44 < Bradipo> My user is the owner of the process...
14:45 < thrig> pretty sure there's a parent process restriction unless you turn that off
14:45 < Bradipo> Bah, seems there is a sysctl for this...
14:46 < Bradipo> kern.global_ptrace must be set.  I wonder where that's documented? :-)
14:47 < IcePic> Bradipo: in "man 2 sysctl"
14:48 < IcePic> which still seems to indicate its not your pid (at least not anymore)
14:48 < Bradipo> Yeah, but what tells me to look in sysctl(2)?
14:48 < phy1729> or man ptrace under PT_ATTACH
14:48 < Bradipo> It shows up in ps as my pid.
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14:49 < Bradipo> I started the process with my own user (logged in via SSH).
14:49 < Bradipo> The process is not set-user-ID or set-group-ID.
14:49 < IcePic> if you start a "sleep 60 &" can you attach gdb to that one?
14:49 < Bradipo> Let me try.
14:50 < IcePic> sleep 60 & echo $?
14:50 < IcePic> to get the pid easily
14:50 < Bradipo> I get: ptrace: Operation not permitted.
14:50 < Bradipo> So I'm not able to attach to sleep either.
14:54 < IcePic> yeah, I could not either unless root
14:55 < Bradipo> Or if you set kern.global_ptrace=1
14:56 < phy1729> man ptrace   "Additionally, if the kern.global_ptrace sysctl is 0, then the target process must be a descendant of the tracing
14:56 < phy1729> process."
14:56 < Bradipo> Yeah, I read that, it wasn't obvious that this might be the case.
14:57 < Bradipo> So because sleep isn't a descendent of egdb, I cannot attach without kernel.global_ptrace.
14:57 < IcePic> ..or being root which might be better than allowing all pids to ptrace all pids
14:58 < Bradipo> Yeah, I suppose I could figure out how to make egdb follow fork()s.
14:58 < Bradipo> Then I could start the main process in egdb and trace it without kern.global_ptrace.
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15:01 < IcePic> when I debugged smtpd long ago, I did "pgrep smtpd" and started one xterm with "gdb --pid X" for each pid (some 5-6 at the time) 
15:01 < IcePic> great for catching whichever child was dying then
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15:03 < Bradipo> Yeah, that works.
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16:18 < Foxy_> Bradipo: documented in man ptrace => https://man.openbsd.org/ptrace for PT_ATTACH
16:18 < Foxy_> sysctl for kern.global_ptrace
16:18 < Bradipo> Yep.
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16:56 < izder456> bombuzal, i just joined cryogenix.org
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16:59 < thrig> sighbear army
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17:02 < bombuzal> izder456: nice, let me know if you need anything - it's still a WIP XD
17:03 < izder456> okay thankd
17:03 < izder456> thanks*
17:07 < bombuzal> Here's the currently supported markdown syntax: https://cryogenix.org/library/cryogenix/markdown-cheatsheet
17:11 < bombuzal> thrig: lel
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17:19 < izder456> is it cool if i just repost some of my blogs from the tilde?
17:20 < izder456> those are in markdown format too
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17:20 < izder456> whoops wrong channel
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