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05:56 < avemestr_> izder456: I'm pretty sure one can say "Yes to X" during install and get a GUI running on OpenBSD by default..
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06:11 < Chip1972> why pkg_add not working?
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06:15 < lts> Interference from lunar radiation
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06:30 < cgnarne> this bug report sucks
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07:07 < IcePic> cgnarne: especially since computers have brought us ways to "not work" and dissappoint us in millions of different ways
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07:42  * shwouchk feels he experienced at least 50% of those ways
07:44 < IcePic> shwouchk: the onger you live, the more % of them you experience. the "joy" of lving
07:44 < IcePic> longer*
07:45 < shwouchk> ive no doubt :)
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07:46 < shwouchk> and it's a nontrivial statement either, because the # of possible ways is growing exponentially
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10:44 < ssm_> Chip1972: cat /etc/installurl
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15:00 < izder456> avemestr_: i've noted this in the blog
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15:25 < ssm_> it is, you'll get a default fvwm environment (which admittedly isn't very unix-illiterate-friendly, intro(1) is a much better starting point)
15:26 < ssm_> fvwm isn't exactly what I'd call trivial to configure, even for someone who's been on *nix for several years
15:28 < izder456> fvwm is nice, but its quite clunky. IMHO a better apt environment for openbsd ootb would be something motif based, but sadly those are all gpl or lgpl
15:28 < izder456> last I checked I mean
15:28 < systemdsucks> motif like cde?
15:29 < izder456> yeah or motif window manager or my emwm/emwm-utils ports
15:29 < cgnarne> cde rocks
15:29 < izder456> I was talking the wm itself not a full on desktop environment 
15:29 < izder456> since that seems more alligned with openbsd's goals
15:31 < izder456> regardless, unless i send a diff with a better wm ootb my opinion here is moot
15:31 < IcePic> base already has 3 wms, so I dont think it needs another
15:31 < izder456> kinda where i'm at
15:31 < IcePic> one can argue all suck in some way, but it is what it is
15:31 < izder456> just pkg_add what you want
15:32 < IcePic> yeah
15:32 < ssm_> IcePic: <base already has 3 wms> if a new default wm is chosen, fvwm2 can be moved to ports presumably
15:32 < izder456> some workflows may assume a fvwm default and such a change may break that
15:33 < izder456> inb4 the xkcd every change breaks someone's workflow
15:33 < ssm_> somehow I have my doubts about that; but either way, no reason fvwm2 can't be shimmed in before firstboot somewhere
15:33 < jmcunx> IIRC, you get mwm from installing package motif-2.3.8p1
15:34 < izder456> you can get a nicer version of mwm with pkg_add emwm. it comes with a toolchest window if you install emwm-utils too :)
15:34 < izder456> i wrote the ports for those
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15:35 < jmcunx> xkcd every change breaks - just had that with emacs 30 :)
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15:36 < izder456> emacs 30 broke my origami setup (code folding package). i had to disable the package for my emacs to initialize
15:36 < izder456> i think its fixed now on origami's side so i can go back now
15:37 < izder456> oh looks like emwm has a new release
15:37 < izder456> i need to update my port
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15:50 < jmcunx> cool, will have to give it emwm a try
15:53 < izder456> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=175907440115498&w=2
15:53 < izder456> that was pretty easy to update
15:54 < izder456> all my patches apply still
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19:28 < cyberdork> not an obsd question but maybe some openssh people are lurking here: with some ssh tunnels I get the following error after a while: rcvd too much data, peer ignored channel window
19:28 < cyberdork> endpoints are linux distros, and it seems to happen under load, but not really much, about 20 mbps
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19:29 < cyberdork> connection usually hangs up after a while
19:29 < cyberdork> internet did not really give useful info on the error and even less how to solve that
19:30 < cyberdork> any ideas? some ssh or OS settings to change?
19:31 < phy1729> Try asking #openssh
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19:32 < cyberdork> ah thx, didnt know this exists
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20:03 < thrig> there are also naughty ISP that sometimes inject rst packets or whatnot into tcp streams
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20:22 < sibiria> not to be forgotten: naughty dictatorships like china that consistently inject RST in the tcp streams
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20:29 < thrig> Large ISP
20:30 < thrig> also bad routers will have "protect network" settings that like break NFS and stuff
20:31 < systemdsucks> fuck the chinese and their 5-eyes
20:31 < systemdsucks> oh wait
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20:43 < xse> what was the term for like 'packet analysis' or something ?
20:43 < xse> ah! "deep packet inspection" that's what i had in mind
20:45 < ssm_> "quantum blockchain grokking"
20:47 < xse> :3
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20:51 < thrig> buzzword bingo
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