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08:00 < rkta> Is it possible to go back to -stable when following -current? I know a downgrade is not possible, but can I just wait till -stable is upgraded and then follow -stable again?
08:00 < IcePic> yes, if your current is 4-8 weeks older than -stable when the new release comes out, you can "upgrade" into the release
08:01 < IcePic> and then keep following stable from that point, or again move to current snaps
08:02 < rkta> So I would stop upgrading -current when e.g. the freeze begins and wait for the release, right?
08:02 < IcePic> if your system thinks it is 7.8 now then "no", if uname says 7.8-beta then "perhaps" and if it said 7.7-current then it should be fine to upgrade
08:02 < IcePic> rkta: yes, and the marker for freeze is more or less when 7.8-beta got tagged
08:03 < rkta> Ok, thanks.
08:03 < IcePic> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250911045955
08:03 < IcePic> that was almost a month ago now when it started slowing down
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10:42 < lil_lasagna> enabled smt
10:42 < lil_lasagna> you were right sibiria, it made no difference
10:44 < lil_lasagna> pretty sad about it, it does feel quite laggy
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11:10 < sibiria> lil_lasagna: if you only have 1 or 2 cores in that CPU i'd personally leave it enabled
11:10 < sibiria> if 4... nah.
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11:34 < lil_lasagna> sibiria: I have 2, but even with it enabled it's not that great
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12:46 < Posterdati> hi
12:46 < Posterdati> any date for 7.8 release?
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12:54 < gipa> Oct 24?
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13:01 < Posterdati> ?
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16:33 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
16:35 < Minall> I'm trying to virtualize Kali Linux, and after connecting to the serial through vmctl console kali, I get Connected to /dev/ttyp1 (speed 115200), now, there's nothing much I can do here
16:36 < Minall> I already passed through the installation step, and managed to choose Install instead of Graphic install (I don't sure if it makes the difference and if it allows the console alright)
16:39 < Minall> After restarintg it, I get, Undefined video mode number: 314. I'm investigating about it
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16:51 < sibiria> op2: any chances of profanity 0.15.1 making it into 7.8?
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18:03 < Minall> For using vmctl console, which group do I need for my user?, I have searched the FAQ and, I'm trying the find documentation about it
18:16 < vortexx> Minall: you're probably not setting the console speed before or during install properly
18:16 < vortexx> it's a common error
18:17 < vortexx> you'll need console=ttyS0,8n1,115200 in the grub config
18:18 < vortexx> on the linux line
18:19 < vortexx> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=ttyS0,8n1,115200" in /etc/default/grub should do it
18:19 < vortexx> you'll probabky want doas for vmctl if you're allergic to running as root
18:20 < vortexx> (cp /etc/examples/doas.conf /etc/ and edit)
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19:14 < jmcunx> lil_lasagna: I did a quick test with hw.smt - seems with it on I get faster network responses when using sftp/rsync.  When hw.smt=0, I have 2 cores, 4 if =1.  Other things about the same.
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20:40 < cgnarne> there's no need for doas. for the usual stuff just set owner to your user in vm.conf
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20:45 < avemestr> Posterdati: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/etc/root/root.mail?rev=1.178&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup indicates that it might be released October 24... Not set in stone afaik, but best guess for the uninitiated atm.
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21:01 < uzuri> hi guys
21:02 < uzuri> installing freebsd currently for the first time to get a feel for it and understand the differences
21:02 < uzuri> so i download their .img and the checksums
21:03 < uzuri> and then theres like no link pointing to their release signing key at all
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21:04 < uzuri> and after finding some thread in their forums complaining about the same issue and also the key being left expired for months, im not even sure if i want to keep going :sob:
21:05 < uzuri> i knew freebsd wasnt focusing on security as well as openbsd, but i have never seen this blatant lazyness anywhere else
21:06 < uzuri> after 8 years the issue thread on the forum is still unresolved and open
21:06 < uzuri> jesus christ how horrible
21:06 < uzuri> to think about how much infrastructure like whatsapp or netflix relies on that OS
21:07 < uzuri> just makes me more grateful to be over here
21:07 < humm> the trust you’d have in the keys is the trust you have in the PKI, no?
21:08 < humm> and are the keys not perhaps in the image?
21:10 < humm> I’m sure FreeBSD would be a perfectly fine system if they included terminfo in base
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21:11 < avemestr> uzuri: Off-topic, but are this the keys you're looking for? https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/pgpkeys/
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21:12 < uzuri> avemestr: yeah its one of the 1000 listed there...
21:13 < rnelson> Not a signing key for release info, but https://www.openbsd.org/advisories/pgpkey.txt linked from https://www.openbsd.org/security.html is expired too, so OpenBSD isn't immune to expired certs ;) (I've been meaning to report that. Maybe one of these months.)
21:13 < uzuri> searching the site for "release" or "checksum" has no results
21:13 < uzuri> so no clue which one it is sadly
21:14 < thrig> microsoft got chewed out in some government report over key management
21:14 < uzuri> rnelson: haha good catch, thats fair
21:15 < avemestr> uzuri: Perhaps it can be inferred from this article, that it is the "Security Officer Team" key that has been used, but I don't actually know: https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan-signify.html (hey, we're on-topic again! ;-))
21:16 < uzuri> thrig: yh thats not a suprise, im sure somehow they would market it as a "feature"
21:17 < uzuri> avemestr: thats an interesting article to save for later, thanks !!
21:19 < uzuri> the key is so long it freezes ST
21:20 < rnelson> There, I reported that it's expired.
21:20 < rnelson> Only took me, uh, like 6 months from when I discovered it? 😂
21:20 < uzuri> also sorry for being off-topic, i wasnt expecting help, i just wanted to rant 
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21:23 < uzuri> rnelson: did you report it in the mailing list? i cant see it
21:23 < rnelson> Yeah, just sent it to misc@
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21:30 < uzuri> rnelson: now i see it, cool website you have there btw!
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