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01:05 < ssm_> I have a very stupid possibly offtopic question but this is the best place I can think to ask it, I have relatives that due to offtopic geopolitical events are likely to become averse to using their current OS of choice (macOS, iOS), so if I moved them to OpenBSD (doing all the admin work for them of course), what window manager would fit best their usecase? GNOME is the usual choice for macOS users, but 
01:05 < ssm_> apparently the project is increasing upstream dependence on linux-specific components so long-term availability makes me hesitant. I could try throwing together some convoluted fvwm setup with a 3rd party dock. [offtopic] I'm largely uninterested in administrating linux with redhat userland, so gnome breaking on something like alpine is still a concern.
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01:06 < phy1729> xfce4 is a decent choice
01:07 < fro> kde plasma?
01:07 < ssm_> plasma's been broken between releases before and only regained support very recently; also it's more styled after windows. xfce may be what I pick
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01:13 < ssm_> hmm... enlightenment is ported
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01:27 < eea> enlightenment on openbsd? <3
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01:59 < oldlaptop> ssm_: Very notably for OSX users, plasma supports a Mac-style "external" menu bar.
02:00 < oldlaptop> Plasma 5 broke because (IIRC) of various wayland-related requirements; hopefully that is a once-every-forty-years sort of problem.
02:01 < oldlaptop> If these are Darwin/cocoa people from WAY back, maybe they like windowmaker? :P
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02:15 < daelik> gotta vote for xfce4 as well.  icons for the 4ish apps they use and patch/upgrade as needed.  job done.
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04:56 < lusciouslover> i tried to build a package from the ports tree but i got the error "Libraries in packing-lists in the ports tree and libraries from installed packages don't match", and after reading the apprioriate section in the manpage for bsd.port.mk it says thats because i need to update the out of date source
04:56 < lusciouslover> the confusion is that the ports.tar.gz i untared is from 7.7 and im on 7.7, so how do i know what needs updating?
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06:31 < avemestr> ssm_: XFCE or MATE, I think. Then make a script that calls syspatch every day - and if a patch is installed make it reboot the machine automatically. For that authentic Windows Experience(tm).
06:32 < avemestr> (I am only half joking - perhaps do the auto-syspatch/reboot at night time, though)
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06:54 < Minall> Hello 
06:54 < Minall> OpenBSD Community!, yesterday I made a question and thanks vortexx for its reply, didn't saw it. I just found out about that console grub trick. I'm on it
06:55 < Minall> About the GRUB detail... Isn't that important to keep on the FAQ?, or am I missing some important key knowledge ?
07:02 < Minall> I have read the documentation of vm.conf, put it in /etc/vm.conf and added just one line. "socket owner myuser:myuser". Afterwards, I tested the configuration with rcctl, and restarted the service. My objective, is to let my user use vmctl without needing doas. Afterwards I still have no access... Perhaps I'm missing something?
07:09 < ivdsangen> it is not in the FAQ probably because the way to configure serial console can differ between guest os'es or distros
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07:13 < Minall> ivdsangen: Yes, I mean if it doesn't make sense in the FAQ to specify that this step may be needed for OS's, because for me it wasn't obvious (unless I'm missing something, like I need to read a manual in which case please point me to it), because for me to use vmctl to try to virtualize idk, Debian or Archlinux, I had to search additional sources, and an amazing youtube video from the OpenBSD guy about it. Not I understand the idea of 
07:13 < Minall> OpenBSD is its amazing manual (which continues to have amazing info)
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07:27 < ivdsangen> i don't know if it makes sense, if you think the FAQ can be improved then maybe write a patch, i also searched the web when installing a Debian VM to find out how to configure the serial console
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08:08 < cgnarne> Minall: also set owner for your vm
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09:38 < izder456>  I wonder what will happen w/ gnome on the BSDs considering now that GDM hard depends on systemd's userdb
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10:44 < ssm_> izder456: cargo cult alpine/void/gentoo's patches lol
10:44 < izder456> yeah i'd see that happening
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12:13 < op2> sibiria: i think i'm a bit too late with profanity :(
12:14 < op2> been slacking a bit too much lately :/
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12:17 < outofcre1tivity> op2: did they manage to fix the omemo alzheimer problems from earlier?
12:18 < op2> outofcre1tivity: o/
12:18 < outofcre1tivity> o/
12:18 < op2> not sure, that was the thing that was preventing me to using it as much as i wanted
12:18 < op2> need to test it with the update
12:19 < outofcre1tivity> thats probably to late before unlock
12:19 < op2> yeah, will have to wait the unlock
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12:19 < outofcre1tivity> brb, something is odd with my nick
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12:20 < op2> just need to s/1/a :p
12:20 < outofcreativity> relogin did the trick \o/
12:21 < outofcreativity> haven't touched profanity-im since ages because of said problems
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12:38 < sibiria> the "omemo alzheimer's" problem is exactly what's upsetting me, too
12:39 < sibiria> 0.15.1 had a changelog entry that sounds like a fix
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12:42 < outofcreativity> sibiria: that was not meant to be disrespectfull, just the discription fits the bill.
12:42 < outofcreativity> let me look at it
12:42 < sibiria> i agree it fits the bill :)
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12:43 < sibiria> it occasionally fails to pull/push the roster, so the omemo fingerprints aren't loaded
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12:46 < outofcreativity> that could be it, yes
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17:06 < int16h> Hostname: voyager - OS: OpenBSD 7.7/amd64 - CPU: 4 x Intel Core i5-6200U 2194.89 MHz, 06-4e-03, patch 000000f00 - Processes: 56 - Uptime: 41m - Users: 2 - Load Average: 0.80 - Memory Usage: 155.36MB/8048.02MB (1.93%) - FS Usage: 5.95GB/452.09GB (1.32%)
17:06 < int16h> https://codeberg.org/int16h/sysinfo-pl
17:07 < int16h> Reviving an old perl script some of you may find useful
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17:16 < fro> heh
17:17 < fro> what's next showing what mp3 you're listening to
17:17 < thrig> eve-online-long.mp3
17:18 < int16h> fro: :P
17:23 < rkta> As a single user I don't need gotd and can just push to /var/www/got/public as user got. Change my mind
17:24 < fro> who cares
17:24 < rkta> dunno
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17:25 < rkta> Let me rephrase: Anything wrong with directly pushing as user got to /var/www/got/public instead of running gotd when I'm the only user on that instance?
17:26 < thrig> I don't run any git daemons and rely on a hook script to copy from repo to the gemini directory
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17:29 < rkta> That's basically the same idea, I just leave out the hook (which probably does not work with gemini).
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17:40 < humm> it would work just fine with a dynamic gemini frontend
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17:42 < thrig> gmid needs a directory, so there's a hook to update a checkout directory
17:43 < thrig> (the other git repos live under a space httpd has access to, in the unlikely event some not-insane-ai-bot wants to clone the repo)
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19:11 < uzuri> i forgor the pw to my openbsd router :skull:
19:12 < uzuri> is there an easier way to log besides brute-forcing
19:14 < echelon_> to log?
19:14 < echelon_> to log in?
19:14 < sibiria> boot into single-user mode on the console
19:15 < echelon_> just remove the hdd and mount it to another system and override the password hash
19:15 < echelon_> or that
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19:19 < uzuri> echelon: yeah just to log in
19:19 < echelon> do you have physical access to the box?
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19:20 < uzuri> yes 
19:20 < uzuri> the drive is soldered on though
19:20 < uzuri> i could just boot off a usb 
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19:21 < cjs> openbsd.org/78.html has appeared in the past 24 hours or so. -RELEASE approaches. (Super) premature 'congratulations' to all commiters here.
19:21 < uzuri> is it sha256? maybe i could look if up and get lucky
19:21 < uzuri> yay
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19:25 < quinq> uzuri, sibiria just gave you the easiest solution
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20:39 < LinuxRenaissance> I need a hint on how to find the culprit of load average ~1
20:40 < LinuxRenaissance> all my processes are doing nothing and top is showing all four cores as 98% idle or 99%
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20:40 < sibiria> top -S
20:40 < LinuxRenaissance> load average is constantly about 1 and I am trying to figure out why
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20:41 < sibiria> systat vmstat, see if you have like a million interrupts happening per second
20:41 < LinuxRenaissance> top -S just sorts, yea? 
20:41 < sibiria> no
20:41 < LinuxRenaissance> Xorg is on the top with 1% cpu
20:42 < sibiria> shows system processes, e.g. drivers etc.
20:42 < LinuxRenaissance> acpi0 has 124:11 time
20:42 < LinuxRenaissance> uptime is 3h
20:43 < sibiria> doesn't sound too good
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20:43 < LinuxRenaissance> what are idle1 idle2 idle3 idle4? they have 48 minutes each
20:43 < sibiria> cpu idle state
20:44 < LinuxRenaissance> so they can have the time. ok. but acpi0 doing stuff is no good
20:44 < sibiria> CPU cores go in there when they idle
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20:46 < thrig> cpu load can also come from I/O blockin'
20:46 < LinuxRenaissance> I am looking through dmesg for any acpi shit
20:46 < sibiria> "systat vmstat", see if any of the drivers in the list in the top right is going bonkers
20:46 < sibiria> acpiN for example, as hinted
20:47 < sibiria> unless some peripheral is very busy, you should typically not see more than 1000-1500 hits per second in total
20:48 < LinuxRenaissance> clock 528
20:48 < LinuxRenaissance> but that doesn't seem like a high number?
20:48 < sibiria> sounds normal to me
20:50 < LinuxRenaissance> the whole system is normal responsive so whatever is causing load ~1 is not really using the cpu I think. maybe just "trying" to use it
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20:56 < LinuxRenaissance> I will try disabling acpi for a test 
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21:01 < sibiria> having acpi tables handy usually helps the OS, but why not give it a try
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