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12:41 < miojo> Hi, do we know what's the release date of OpenBSD-7.8? or have any idea?
12:46 < jonadab>  That doesn't appear to have been released yet.
12:47 < jonadab> Constructing a list of dates for past releases, and counting the number of months from release to release in each case, can give you a very _general_ idea how long to expect between releases, but of course it varies.
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12:52 < miojo> jonadab: Thank you!
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13:13 < kuzdra> miojo: someone earlier suggested to look at the date header in the welcome mail for root. It's still a speculation
13:14 < kuzdra> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/etc/root/root.mail#L3
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13:16 < kuzdra> It was within a 2 day error margin the last time for release 7.7:
13:16 < kuzdra> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/10fc8ac3d9293b3db8edcc2a617b03ed8976f11d/etc/root/root.mail#L3
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14:17 < avemestr> miojo: October 24 is the best best ATM.
14:17 < avemestr> As kuzdra also alludes to.
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14:26 < miojo> avemestr: thanks! i saw that 7.6 release, was Oct 8, 2024.
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14:59 < cjs> Everyone loves the welcome email with a new installation of OpenBSD :)
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15:21 < jab> I've got a talos II, than I am trying to communicate via serial port.  Should my OpenBSD T400 laptop be able to communicate to the talos II via serial port?  Or is there something obvious that I'm missing...
15:21 < jab> "sysctl hw.ucomnames" outputs "hw.ucomnames=ucom0:usb5.0.00001.0"
15:22 < sibiria> cool machine
15:22 < sibiria> desktop or server?
15:23 < jab> "doas cu -s 115200 -l usb5.0.00001.0  -s 115200" outputs "Connected to /dev/cuaU0 (speed 115200)".  But I do not see "getty" or a login screen.
15:23 < jab> at the moment we are just using it as a server.
15:23 < jab> I'd like to try to install OpenBSD on it, but I gather that the OpenBSD support for it is not so great.
15:23 < jab> Linux is only bothering supporting ppc64le 
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15:39 < Bradipo> What's special about the Talos II that would make it difficult for OpenBSD to run on it?
15:40 < Bradipo> Oh, POWER9?  Is that a PowerPC chipset?
15:40 < thrig> the hardware being somewhat expensive might put a damper on hacking
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15:42 < Bradipo> Indeed.
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15:48 < mischief> jab: thats normally how i connect to serial ports myself. double check your baud, parity and stop bits..
15:48 < jab> Bradipo: price is one problem.  The other problem is OpenBSD support ppc64, not ppc64le
15:48 < jab> Most applications now assume little endian.
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15:49 < jab> I don't think say, Firefox, mpv, ffmpeg, etc. will run on big endian hardware.  I may be completely wrong about that.
15:49 < mischief> jab: also, is it a uchcom(4)? ran into a problem with one of those recently
15:51 < jab> mischief: I'm not sure.  I was hanging out in #talos-workstation.  They think they I need to buy a "null modem".  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem  
15:51 < jab> and I know that this cord is supposed to work for the Talos https://www.pccables.com/Products/07121  and apparently it will not work on Intel motherboards.
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15:52 < mischief> o.O
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15:54 < mischief> i do recall having to use a null modem cable when i hooked up the com port of a desktop pc recently
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15:59 < Bradipo> jab: I see, is ppc64le "little endian"?
16:03 < jab> yes.  "ppc64le" is little endian.
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16:04 < jab> I believe I also emailed the OpenBSD ppc maintainer and asked him how well the talos worked on OpenBSD...his response was "I don't know."  However, the raptor wiki says that OpenBSD does work.  I just assume that it works with fewer applications available to install.
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16:10 < drainer333> hey, I'm having a bit of a strange issue rn and I can't seem to figure out what's wrong. When trying to install packages I get quite a few different errors depending on what it is
16:12 < drainer333> trying to install mpv it says it can't find lua-5.1.5.1 which is both in the repository and installed on my system. When I try installing the lua-5.1.5p7 package it gives me an error about the use of an uninitialised value, in this case $name
16:12 < sibiria> if you're using one of the CDNs, try switching to a specific mirror
16:13 < sibiria> if you're in europe, i recommend ftp.eu.openbsd.org
16:14 < drainer333> I'll give that a go and I'll let you know if it helps
16:15 < drainer333> changed to a local mirror, still no different
16:15 < drainer333> exact same errors
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16:15 < sibiria> running snapshots?
16:16 < drainer333> no, I'm running stable
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16:19 < thrig> uninit $name sounds like the package database is getting undefined values into the pkg_* code
16:19 < sibiria> you could try get a fresh one by just... pkg_add -u
16:19 < sibiria> or, pkg_add -U lua-5.1.5
16:21 < drainer333> tried to run it but it threw a bunch of errors about /var/db/pkg/+CONTENTS/+CONTENTS not existing and how it can't find the packing-list
16:21 < sibiria> whoa.
16:21 < drainer333> I'm guessing that's not a good whoa
16:22 < sibiria> it aligns with the pkg script output from earlier not really being able to substantiate a name for the package
16:22 < drainer333> is there any way to fix this?
16:23 < sibiria> +CONTENTS belongs inside an actual package directory
16:23 < Bradipo> Do you have a mismatch in code or something...
16:23 < drainer333> how would I know?
16:23 < sibiria> knowing perl, i get the impression that something is eating arguments in a wrong way
16:24 < sibiria> i wonder if your pkg_* tools have gone bonkers
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16:24 < Bradipo> Well, only you know how you got your system to this state (e.g. what actions and modifications were made to the system from the time you first installed it).
16:25 < sibiria> is it an old install that has gone through many sysupgrades?
16:25 < sibiria> perhaps skipped some version?
16:25 < drainer333> I got it and set it up less than a week ago
16:26 < sibiria> so 7.7, amd64?
16:26 < Bradipo> Or a -stable install with a partially failed upgrade to snapshots, or who knows what.
16:27 < drainer333> the only thing I can think of is a friend had me test something that required qt6 so I got it and once I'd tested it I uninstalled it and ran pkg_delete -a to clear out unused dependancies but in the process more got deleted than I was expecting so maybe that broke something
16:27 < drainer333> sibiria: yea, 7.7 amd64 
16:27 < Bradipo> Deleting packages shouldn't really have caused this.
16:28 < sibiria> it wouldn't be the first time someone ran into a corrupt set of packages, but the times i can recall people asking for help with it have been few and far between
16:28 < Bradipo> Did the power get yanked while pkg_delete was doing work?
16:29 < drainer333> no idea, I have had a few crashes due to some memory funkiness that showed up the other day and just as mysteriously stopped
16:30 < drainer333> a full reinstall could be on the table but at the same time it's also a last resort I'd rather not do
16:30 < Bradipo> What kind of data do you have on this system?
16:31 < drainer333> nothing that isn't transferable or recoverable, it's just inconvenient to have to start over, log back into everything, etc
16:34 < drainer333> which is why I'm trying to figure out if this is fixable cause it's a very strange issue
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16:45 < drainer333> I think I'm just gonna reinstall, this issue bewilders me and I have no idea how it could have broken outside of serious data corruption due to having to restart. How annoying
16:46 < Bradipo> Actually, reinstalling is fairly quick and easy.
16:46 < Bradipo> If you have /home mounted as a separate partition, you can just preserve that partition over the reinstall.
16:47 < thrig> especially if you have configuration management of some sort to set things back up
16:47 < Bradipo> If you don't have it as a separate partition, then it's more work if you have to back it up, etc.
16:47  * miojo kuzdra thanks for the link
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16:50 < drainer333> well I just use the default openbsd partitioning, would that mean I can just reinstall everything else? That would be very handy
16:51 < thrig> ... if there's been corruption due to memory issues then maybe also check file integrity vs. backups?
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16:57 < drainer333> the corruption was due to memory issues causing panics forcing me to hard reboot
16:57 < drainer333> anyway, see you all later I guess
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17:02 < Bradipo> In other words, like I said above, seems like the power was yanked while something was happening. :-)
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