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00:09 < ssm_> pardis: make(1) is 2008(1) compliant. ifdef and friends are invoked differently, := ::= or :::= are different under 2024 posix make
00:09 < ssm_> s/(1)//2
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00:24 < ssm_> += and ?= were added to posix officially at least. that makes some things nicer
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12:51 < leah2> ssm_: not in ports i think, but pdpmake is easy to compile
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12:58  * oldlaptop wonders what exactly makes whoever's doing that think a *third* make flavor will see any wider adoption than pax
12:59 < oldlaptop> It would be nice, this alternate reality where something beyond common-subset make were meaningfully standardized
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13:07 < oldlaptop> (ah, no, I misread - https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/utilities/make.html does not in fact have conditionals and such junk)
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13:35 < franks2> Trying to figure out if relayd support Proxy protocol, anyone know?
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14:28 < franks2> With relayd  i get : Oct 11 16:26:35 populas relayd[29378]: config_setrelay: fd passing failed for `wwwsecure': Too many open files
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15:33 < ssm_> oldlaptop: you're right, I'm ignoring posix and just targeting make(1), gmake, and (maybe) bmake
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18:08 < avemestr> franks2: Perhaps bump the limits in login.conf for daemons.
18:08 < franks2> Tried that
18:08 < franks2> Both default and daemoens
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18:30 < avemestr> I wonder if it's necessary to restart at least the daemon afterwards to get the new limits applied. Dunno.
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18:38 < iurirs> did I hear pax? I like pax waay more than tar/cpio lol
18:40 < thrig> ls -il /bin/{tar,pax,cpio}
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18:50 < iurirs> thrig beautiful, I did not know that
18:51 < iurirs> makes sense though since the functionality is very much overlapping and just how the arguments are passed is changed
18:53 < thrig> in other ideologies, varying program behavior by the filename is the great satan
18:54 < phy1729> Similar for   ls -i /{,s}bin/ch???
18:55 < iurirs> wait, isn't it why we get argv[0] in the first place?
18:56 < iurirs> I'm listing and sorting by inode, finding so much news
18:57 < thrig> https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#User-Interfaces (not sure why the page is so chonky...)
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19:03 < iurirs> interesting, but gnu doesn't apply to BSD (insert meme: you have no power here hahahaha)
19:03 < iurirs> but also busybox on linux is famously a single binary
19:06 < thrig> I did mention the otherness of the ideology
19:08 < iurirs> yep you did
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19:45 < humm> one earlier Unix example is the suggestion (from TUPE, I believe) to have a script called all of [2-9] to columnize its standard input (using pr(1)), so that   ls | 3   would give you three columns of file names
19:45 < humm> another rather famous example is ex starting its visual mode if invoked as vi
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19:49 < mischief> we use multicall binaries because we can't afford extra disk space from large programs, and the pages get shared when run from the same binary which lowers memory overhead
19:50 < humm> I doubt the applicability to chown/chmod
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19:57 < unpx> Starting with a fresh 7.7 install, I was trying to set Caps as Ctrl, that is ``wsconsctl keyboard.map+="keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L"''. But I get ``wsconsctl: keysym Caps_Lock not found''
19:57 < unpx> What am I missing?
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19:58 < unpx> Caps_Lock isn't in the map, but it is actually working
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20:00 < unpx> I'm seeing that probably stopped working and I was doing ``setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps''
20:01 < mischief> that looks like xmodmap commands - not the same as wsconsctl
20:02 < unpx> Indeed...
20:02 < mischief> n/m, i see that is a verbatim example in the manual :-)
20:04 < unpx> Yeah, but I don't get what I am missing with that "keysym Caps_Lock not found"
20:05 < oldlaptop> gnu prefers to have false.c #DEFINE EXIT_STATUS 1\n#include "true.c" rather than look at argv
20:06 < oldlaptop> (should have pinged iuirs, that was longer ago than I thought)
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20:33 < unpx> mischief: I don't get if you are on the same page... Did I make it clear that Faq7 doesn't work?
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21:42 < mischief> unpx: i was reading the wsconsctl manual
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22:06 < avemestr> Speaking of true.c and false.c, I like the difference between the OpenBSD and GNU versions of true:
22:07 < avemestr> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.bin/true/true.c - OpenBSD
22:07 < avemestr> https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/true.c - GNU
22:08 < anna-3a33> Hey so im quite new to openbsd, so far havent been able to get it to even get to a gui, did get to tty. Issue im having is my laptops gpu `Radeon HD 6310` just dies upon the driver loading, and gives me a blank screen, i belive its still responding since capslock reacts, but the screen is blank. I am able to get to a tty on it if i use `boot -c` and `disable radeondrm`, but then obviously i cant use the gpu, Any advice?  
22:11 < unpx> anna-3a33: have you tried this? https://man.openbsd.org/xf86.4#ACCESS_CONTROL
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22:15 < izder456> iirc you had an issue with missing firmware, could you make sure you have the radeondrm firmware installed
22:16 < anna-3a33> ohshithey izder lmao
22:16 < anna-3a33> yeah its installed
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22:16 < anna-3a33> the network was dead before when i installed it, this time though i installed it With a working network
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22:19 < izder456> upon unpx's idea, try setting the machdep.allowallowapeture variable to 1, 2, and 3. see if any of these work for you.
22:19 < izder456> its a sysctl
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22:20 < anna-3a33> looking into it rn, will try
22:20 < izder456> sorry, machdep.allowaperture
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22:22 < anna-3a33> its rebooting rn, guess we shall see :3
22:22 < anna-3a33> nope dead again, will try 2
22:26 < anna-3a33> dies on 2 aswell
22:28 < anna-3a33> oh wtf ok
22:29 < anna-3a33> it loaded X with it set to 2 and using disable radeondrm
22:29 < anna-3a33> or well a gui login
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22:32 < anna-3a33> yeah its justr doing software, Which is further then we got before
22:32 < izder456> you generally would want the radeondrm loading though
22:32 < anna-3a33> Yea i'd bet
22:32 < anna-3a33> gonna try setting it to 3
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22:32 < anna-3a33> it still crashes on the gpu with 2
22:32 < izder456> like a kernel panic?
22:33 < anna-3a33> i dont belive the entire system dies, but it blank screens and ownt do anything other then respond the caps light if i press caps
22:33 < anna-3a33> yeah blank screen again
22:33 < izder456> how are you booting on it btw? uefi or mbr boot?
22:33 < anna-3a33> mbr
22:33 < anna-3a33> the things from 2012 lmao
22:34 < izder456> does it support uefi?
22:34 < anna-3a33> dont belive so no
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22:34 < anna-3a33> ctrl+alt+f* doesnt work either
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22:36 < thrig> turn on sshd and see if the system is still up after it blanks?
22:37 < anna-3a33> doesnt seem to connect to respond to pings nor ssh
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