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01:07 < drainer333> if I may ask a quick question, is it an intended feature that side buttons on mouses scroll rather than going forward and back pages or is it just a misconfiguration on my end?
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01:15 < thrig> pretty sure I compiled mouse support out of both st and w3m
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01:26 < oldlaptop> drainer333: More likely a peculiarity of the mouse. (Normally the scroll wheel works as "buttons" 4 and 5 on X.)
01:26 < thrig> one might fiddle around with xev for starters
01:27 < oldlaptop> in some instances Linux has special quirks built in for specific USB device IDs that behave goofily, openbsd presumably has fewer of those
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01:32 < drainer333> looking in xev, for some reason scrolling registers as the same buttons as the side buttons. strange
01:34 < oldlaptop> Yes, that's how scroll wheels work.
01:34 < oldlaptop> (At least as far as X is concerned.)
01:36 < drainer333> well I'm just saying that I didn't expect the scroll wheel going up and down to have the same code as two completely seperate buttons, especially since it works on other operating systems. Sorry if it was a stupid question
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02:09 < oldlaptop> The "other operating systems" likely either don't have the X peculiarity of treating the scroll wheel as "buttons" 4 and 5, or perhaps have special nasty hacks for that specific device.
02:09 < oldlaptop> I know Linux has such workarounds for certain Elecom products.
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02:12 < thrig> USB hardware can be cruddy, I once had UPS that identified the same so two could not be plugged into the same host
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02:21 < oldlaptop> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/hid/hid-elecom.c is what I'm thinking of. (There is a dispiriting variety of such things.)
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05:53 < riceandbeans> Anyone ever used a https://www.wifi-stock.com/details/tp-link-ax3600-wireless-dual-band-multi-gigabit-ceiling-mount-access-point-eap660-hd-eap660hd.html ? Any opinions?
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07:01 < mischief> riceandbeans: what is your goal
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07:58 < avemestr> oldlaptop: Apropos elecom hacks... https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/dev/usb/ums.c?rev=1.53&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup (at the bottom)
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12:18 < drainer333> oldlaptop: ok, where's the camera? How did you know exactly what brand of trackball I'm using?
12:20 < oldlaptop> Because I've had one of the blasted things for years and am dimly aware it acts weird on not-linux.
12:20 < oldlaptop> (My OpenBSD machines generally have trackpoints, and so don't spend much time with USB trackballs plugged in)
12:22 < drainer333> I really like mine, I think it's great, a shame it doesn't work, at least I know I didn't break something again
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12:22 < oldlaptop> I can confirm mine (the left handed thumbball) does behave as you describe. It's disappointing overall, I think, but there are precisely zero other options
12:23 < oldlaptop> (I ended up replacing it with an L-Trac, which is probably more expensive than a SlimBlade for no real benefit, but oooh shiny.)
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12:37 < avemestr> The Slimblade is also well-supported on OpenBSD in my experience.
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13:44 < iurirs> oldlaptop it seems like they really wanted to look at argv but couldn't
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13:53 < shtrophic> how can I set the umask (or mode) of an ssh -R /path/to.sock:localhost:1234 unix socket?
13:53 < shtrophic> I want the socket to be 660, but I get 600
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13:56 < humm> chmod?
13:57 < shtrophic> so something like ssh -R /path/to.sock:localhost:1234 user@host -- chmod 660 /path/to.sock ?
13:57 < shtrophic> doesn't seem to work for me
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14:02 < shtrophic> and in that case, wouldn't user be able to login with a shell?
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14:15 < shtrophic> sshd_config(5) StreamLocalBindMask
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15:06 < quinq> sibiria, whas that you who told me about some trackers banning broken Transmission?
15:07 < quinq> How could I check if some trackers banned the IP?
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15:11 < sibiria> quinq: some of them ban transmission 4.0.6 specifically. i don't think you can check in any way other than announce/scrape on the tracker and see if you get any response or an explicit failure reason
15:12 < sibiria> or at worst, client might need to ask to join the swarm for a specific hash
15:12 < quinq> yeah...
15:13 < quinq> thanks
15:13 < sibiria> it's http/https so you can probably test it with curl
15:13 < drainer333> sorry if this is a stupid question but why do they ban transmission 4.0.6? 
15:14 < sibiria> that version introduced a bug that causes certain tracker software some hiccups
15:14 < sibiria> so some admins running those sensitive trackers decided to ban clients introducing themselves as transmission 4.0.6
15:15 < sibiria> my impression as an Immoral Pirate is that it's not particularly widespread
15:15 < lusciouslover> for some reason my thinkpads battery starts draining very slowly once it hits 5%
15:15 < lusciouslover> is this a power saving feature built into thinkpads or is openbsd doing something?
15:16 < lusciouslover> or is this maybe inaccuracy in calculating the remaining battery
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15:22 < thrig> energy saving in openbsd is generally bad
15:22 < sibiria> works pretty well with obsdfreqd
15:22 < sibiria> as far as CPU energy saving goes, that is. stuff like pcie ASPM seems hazy
15:24 < systemdsucks> I remember spending hours tuning obsdfreqd on a laptop
15:25 < systemdsucks> almost as fun as playing age of empires
15:25 < IcePic> age-of-power-vampires
15:27 < avemestr> It's weird they haven't made/released transmission 4.0.7 yet...
15:28 < sibiria> yeah it's been sitting in rc2 or something for quite some time
15:28 < sibiria> the two project leads are not very active
15:29 < sibiria> 4.1.0 beta2
15:29 < quinq> I'm running HEAD anyway
15:31 < lusciouslover> i can get like an hour out of my laptop on openbsd
15:31 < lusciouslover> which isnt as bad as id expect given how old this thinkpad is
15:31 < sibiria> sounds like you're running the CPU at full freq. the entire time
15:31 < quinq> I was asking about tracker ban because I just add a list of ~100 trackers on any torrent add
15:31 < lusciouslover> im running apm -L
15:31 < quinq> Most of them, supposedly up to date, don't answer
15:32 < sibiria> quinq: though that's kinda typical with trackers since years. sometimes you get a response from the announce, sometimes not
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15:32 < sibiria> lusciouslover: did you confirm that's actually the case? sysctl hw.setperf hw.cpuspeed
15:33 < lusciouslover> never checked cpuspeed
15:33 < lusciouslover> will do
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15:33 < sibiria> a mere 1 hour sounds horrible
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15:34 < quinq> sibiria, would make sense
15:34 < lusciouslover> hw.setperf=0 ; hw.cpuspeed=800
15:35 < sibiria> i usually do the same. throw some 25 known-to-work trackers and see what sticks
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16:35 < franks2> I think I got a bug, relayd crash on: Oct 12 18:02:18 populas relayd[20092]: ca: ca_dispatch_relay: invalid relay hash 'SHA256:cee21fe8e80c00e52b7721f2fb099d642ab2906d2ea2318152edd5e7785ca375'
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16:37 < franks2> http://pastie.org/p/06qgYH2o9FoZLwNmmdFOvZ
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22:05 < riceandbeans> mischief: my goal is to throw openwrt on it and have it support a 1GB wireless network in the house where it servers as nothing but a radio passing back to an OpenBSD box doing all the actual routing and DHCP and DNS and filtration work
22:11 < sibiria> might want to verify that openwrt runs on the device first. support is never guaranteed
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22:30 < riceandbeans> sibiria: Yep, I checked on the official support table, it's listed.
22:30 < riceandbeans> I like the idea of running OpenBSD on it instead, but I'm not sure the support would be there
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22:53 < mischief> there's not much ap support in openbsd
22:59  * oldlaptop runs an OpenBSD AP
22:59  * oldlaptop recommends not running an OpenBSD AP
23:00 < oldlaptop> It'd be *utterly fantastic* if only the driver support were there. OpenBSD network configuration in general and Wi-Fi configuration in particular is *vastly* less aggravating than linux.
23:00 < oldlaptop> but generally interfaces with hostap support are old junk, poorly supported (especially in AP mode), or both
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23:02 < oldlaptop> (Unless I'm just not aware of the perfect hardware for an OpenBSD AP.)
23:03 < quinq> I switch back ~1 year ago to dedicated (openwrt) linux AP, after some time with OpenBSD AP, and wasn't happy about doing it, but works better
23:03 < quinq> (taking in account hardware itself)
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23:15 < oldlaptop> :(
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