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02:55 < riceandbeans> oldlaptop: Mind my asking what hardware you use?
02:56 < oldlaptop> apu4 and some ralink thing
02:57 < oldlaptop> RT2890, apparently (ral(4))
02:58 < oldlaptop> It seems slightly less bad than the atheros I bought along with the apu4. I do not recommend either as the interface for an OpenBSD AP, and do not recommend an OpenBSD AP.
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02:59 < oldlaptop> (which, again, is a damn shame, because nobody deserves linux wi-fi configuration)
03:00 < pardis> I've never attempted to run an OpenBSD AP, primarily because the driver documentation paints a terrifying picture enough without actually using it
03:01 < oldlaptop> It mostly works-ish, except when it doesn't.
03:01 < oldlaptop> Not advisable to try package updates or anything heavy like that over mine.
03:02 < oldlaptop> (combines particularly poorly with openbsd iwm(4) clients, unfortunately, which otherwise are good enough)
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09:48 < sibiria> oldlaptop: in my experience, ral(4) is the best choice for openbsd-as-AP. flawless performance during 10+ years i used. shame it's stuck in 802.11g land or i would've kept using it
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10:11 < IcePic> sibiria: its also kind of easy to just get any ap, run it as a bridge between ethernet and wifi and have a small decent obsd box as the fw/gw 
10:11 < IcePic> then you can replace the wifi as needed when speeds go up and whatnot
10:12  * mischief does this
10:16 < sibiria> yeah i switched to openwrt on a tiny "range extender" device years ago
10:16 < sibiria> 22 mbit throughput of 802.11g was getting to me
10:17 < sibiria> WPA3 is a welcome bonus, too
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10:22 < sonya> sibiria, back to the firefox optimization settings - it still crashes here.. guess the reason of tab crashes lies elsewhere..
10:23 < sibiria> i can make firefox crash by over-allocating video memory in a tab
10:23 < sibiria> running google earth, for example
10:24 < sonya> heavy js here..
10:26 < sonya> nevermind.. hope, i'll trace it sooner or later..
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10:56 < quirinpa> Hi everyone. I'm trying to make a github workflow to package and release for different package managers and OSs. I could do this successfully for brew, apt, apk, pacman and rpm. My libraries depend on each other so for each of them I need to be able to install my own dependencies. And I host a repo for each package manager in my OpenBSD amsterdam
10:56 < quirinpa> VM.
10:56 < quirinpa> Please help me set it up properly for OpenBSD, because currently I'm not able to install the dependencies there.
10:56 < quirinpa> Might it be related to the fact that the packages are unsigned? Or maybe something else? I created my own key pair using signify, and added it to /etc/signify on the chroot in which I try to install the dependencies.
10:56 < quirinpa> tty$ find . -type f
10:56 < quirinpa> ./libqsys-0.0.11.tgz
10:56 < quirinpa> ./index.txt
10:56 < quirinpa> ./SHA256
10:56 < quirinpa> ./SHA256.sig
10:56 < quirinpa> ./libqmap-0.3.1.tgz
10:56 < quirinpa> ./index.html
10:56 < quirinpa> tty$ pwd
10:56 < quirinpa> tty$ cat SHA256 | head -n 3
10:56 < quirinpa> SHA256 (libqmap-0.3.1.tgz) = 6btZpurdhrCxA+t5UeLCHU6nuJaYPQGe+OoVT/oneiE=
10:56 < quirinpa> SHA256 (libqsys-0.0.11.tgz) = 6KI99blIgA8TvEChyA6djbYQYsGfZo0E6V89oIcnrcE=
10:56 < quirinpa> tty$ cat index.txt | head -n 3
10:56 < quirinpa> -rw-r--r--  1 githubci  www    149 Oct 13 02:30 SHA256
10:56 < quirinpa> -rw-r--r--  1 githubci  www    153 Oct 13 02:30 SHA256.sig
10:56 < quirinpa> -rw-r--r--  1 githubci  www    189 Oct 13 02:05 index.html
10:56 < quirinpa> -rw-r--r--  1 githubci  www   3063 Oct 13 02:30 libqsys-0.0.11.tgz
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11:14 < IcePic> quirinpa: if the problem was the unsigned packages, it would probably log/output complaints about bad/missing sign
11:15 < IcePic> quirinpa: also, you can set PKG_TRUSTED_PATH or whats the env is called, to specify that unsigned pkgs are ok if installed from this path
11:15 < quirinpa> Thank you IcePic. Very much appreciated.
11:17 < quirinpa> If I get a good solution I'll share these with you guys.
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11:26 < quirinpa> Well, here it is, anyway. It's a bit of a mess atm.
11:26 < quirinpa> https://github.com/tty-pt/ci
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11:36 < fasecx> hello
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11:39 < runxiyu> OpenSSL: EVP_DigestInit_ex failed: error:0308010C: digital envelope routines::unsupported
11:39 < runxiyu> this happens when i try to use wpa_supplicant
11:39 < runxiyu> openssl version
11:39 < runxiyu> i need tls 1.0 and sha-1 because my school's network :/
11:44 < mischief> ask for your money back
11:46 < IcePic> tls1.2 which isn't the latest but still .. useful came out in 2008. 
11:46 < IcePic> "yeah, our wifi is more than 17 years old"
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11:46 < runxiyu> asked them to fix it 3 times
11:46 < runxiyu> still broken (and their captive portal, on top of wpa enterprise, uses rc4 where key = timestamp and key is sent along with ciphertext)
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11:47 < mischief> spicy
11:47 < sibiria> sounds very Enterprise-y
11:47 < sibiria> "official parameters, it's what we and the professional vendor supports"
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11:50 < fasecx> tls 1.0 and sha-1? are there clients still allowing that cipher?
11:51 < runxiyu> networkmanager on linux with phase1-auth-flags=32 (distro-specific; fedora needs setting crypto policies)
11:51 < runxiyu> all apple devices
11:51 < runxiyu> all windows devices i assume, since there are a few people using windows here and they never complain about this
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11:58 < runxiyu> ok, my question now is:
11:58 < runxiyu> how do i enable the legacy provider with the openssl package?
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11:58 < sibiria> try install the wpa_supplicant that uses openssl
11:58 < oldlaptop> I would be surprised offhand if wpa_supplicant from the package is even built against the openssl package.
11:59 < sibiria> there's a flavor for that
11:59 < oldlaptop> That's depressing.
11:59 < sibiria> the default one is libressl, As God Intended
11:59 < oldlaptop> Probably this exact reason?
11:59 < sibiria> i guess so yeah
11:59 < sibiria> lots of old enterprise cruft in 802.1X still in use
12:01 < oldlaptop> Enterprise-grade encryption: there's still an outside chance it'll keep your little sister out
12:01 < sibiria> "large military contractor responsible for national defense still uses this, we can't deprecate it"
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12:04 < runxiyu> sibiria: I did, indeed
12:04 < runxiyu> alright, yeah adding some providers in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf worked
12:04 < runxiyu> i find it weird that openssl and base libressl share the same config file
12:04 < runxiyu> but welp
12:04 < sibiria> it can get a bit messy, yah
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12:05 < sibiria> libressl could do with having an optional config file of its own as priority
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12:07 < fasecx> runxiyu: are you using openbsd on your laptop as main so? or just exploring it
12:08 < runxiyu> fasecx: i have two laptops that i frequently use, one is freebsd+linux (shared zfs and whatever), the other is openbsd
12:09 < runxiyu> currently editing my IBDP Mathematics internal assessment
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12:14 < fasecx> thats cool, i also tried to use openbsd on my laptop as main so but it didnt supported my wireless network card, i had to use wire or connect wifi with my phone and then share it with the laptop through usb
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12:40 < avemestr> fasecx: You can probably pick up a small USB-wifi thing to plug in to your laptop.
12:41 < avemestr> fasecx: E.g. one of these: https://man.openbsd.org/axen.4
12:41 < avemestr> Eh, sorry, those are wired.
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12:41 < avemestr> Something like these: https://man.openbsd.org/urtwn.4
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12:50 < fasecx> cool, didnt know there were a list of supported adapters, ill check that
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13:48 < avemestr> The lists are not exhaustive but examples. It depends on the chip in the product, but often manufacturers don't say exactly what chip it is on their spec pages. In other words: It's likely other products work as well. 
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14:39 < opv_> I'm getting the post-quantum message about KexAlgorithms when logging in through SSH. What about HostKeyAlgo, Ciphers and MACs, should these be changed aswell, or really just KexAlgo? Thank you
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14:48 < phy1729> https://www.openssh.com/pq.html   has a section "What about signature algorithms? You said they were at risk too"
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17:11 < quirinpa> Got the workflow working for OpenBSD, finally. But not in the way I would like the most. I mean. It's a bit different than the others. So I'm using a local repo instead (because I couldn't make a mini-mirror-like thing - there's no "repo" notion like for other package managers as far as I know).
17:11 < quirinpa> However it works well enough for my current use-case. Which is to stop using npm to distribute C, which is what I was doing so far. Because at the end, my site runs with this "ndc" thing which is a custom HTTP server thing. And it was getting messy to maintain because of this.
17:11 < quirinpa> https://github.com/tty-pt/libndc/actions/runs/18472882969
17:11 < quirinpa> https://github.com/tty-pt/libgeo/actions/runs/18313261261
17:11 < quirinpa> Here's the CI repo. It's a bit of a mess, but I don't have time to clean it up right now.
17:11 < quirinpa> https://github.com/tty-pt/ci
17:11 < quirinpa> Cheers.
17:14 < IcePic> quirinpa: pkg_add can take ssh urls too, if you want to have a "safe" distribution without having to invent a new transport for it
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17:15 < IcePic> quirinpa: a small shell hint, in places like this https://github.com/tty-pt/ci/blob/8ef5819ca193b6bb961c8afb8ca701fcaa1674d7/publish/action.yml#L129 you can just wrap a set of commands in (), then it runs in a subshell, so any "cd" you do in there doesn't leak out, then you don't have to "cd -" after this block.
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17:16 < IcePic> so: "( cd temp; do stuff in temp/ ) ; not-in-temp-anymore "
17:17 < quirinpa> Nice, IcePic. Never thought of it that way. And thanks for the ssh url hint as well.
17:19 < thrig> cd temp && ...
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17:34 < quirinpa> While I'm at it, maybe I'll use the opportunity to ask:
17:34 < quirinpa> All I need to have a mini-mirror like I wanted to is an index.txt file (output of ls -nlT), a SHA256 and SHA256.sig file? Is there any issue if the url base is https://domain/openbsd/7.6/packages/amd64 instead of the usual mirror format aka /pub/OpenBSD/7.6/packages/amd64
17:34 < quirinpa> ?
17:34 < quirinpa> Does the server need auto-index necessarily?
17:36 < pardis> only the hierarchy after 'OpenBSD' matters, the rest is configurable in /etc/installurl
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17:36 < quirinpa> Thank you pardis
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17:36 < pardis> and you don't need auto-index, that's why the SHA256 file is there
17:36 < pardis> supporting every different kind of auto-index format would be a nightmare
17:37 < quirinpa> True.
17:37 < quirinpa> Because I wasn't being able to do it for these few packages. When I have time I'll try again, since the other issues are sort of dealt with.
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17:43 < oldlaptop> <pardis> supporting every different kind of auto-index format would be a nightmare
17:43 < oldlaptop> good things about ftp: ls
17:44 < oldlaptop> (I'm given to understand there might also be some bad things about ftp. Minor details.)
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17:49 < quirinpa> I've learned today ftp is http based. I'm a middle aged noob now.
17:51 < lts-> ftp is 20 years older than http
17:51 < quirinpa> Well. Then maybe it's a misconception and I'm un-learning.
17:52 < quirinpa> It's worse still.
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17:55 < dennis> I was wondering where that went. Woops.
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17:56 < IcePic> the binary "ftp" talks http, apart from that the two protocols have not much in common
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17:56 < Bradipo> curl also talks FTP and HTTP.
17:57 < IcePic> and the ftp protocol is older than tcp/ip itself
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