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13:41 < luna> hi
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13:51 < avemestr> lo
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14:36 < fasecx> hii
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15:05 < jab> hello fasecx 
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15:14 < librecat> my openbsd migration progress: circuit simulation: i can build qucs-s port, pcb design: kicad exists and is up to date, math: python or octave, cross compiler: ?, mcu flashing/debugging tools: maybe i can use openocd instead of st-link specific software, hardware support: qwz isnt ready, uaudio: wasnt working 2 months ago
15:16 < oldlaptop> I guess nobody uses AVRs anymore?
15:16 < librecat> i have an AVR on hand
15:16 < librecat> but stm32 is cheaper than AVR and supports more programming languages?
15:16 < librecat> i think OpenOCD should be able to flash stuff using st-link
15:17 < librecat> lemme pass a usb port through and try it out
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15:20 < librecat> i guess i have to wait for ath12k chips to get more popular in the openbsd machines before i get wifi supported on my shiny new amd mobo
15:22 < thrig> popularity might be goosed by getting such hardware to an interested dev
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15:23 < librecat> maybe i can be the intrested dev?
15:24 < Bradipo> If you want.
15:24 < librecat> i dont want it enough right now but its a possibility
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15:26 < Bradipo> I would just ask for an interested developer on misc@ and send them one. :-)
15:26 < Bradipo> Buy two so you can test any changes that might be proposed.
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15:27 < librecat> are there developers that openly say "if you give me hardware you get openbsd drivers for it"?
15:27 < Bradipo> I doubt it.
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15:28 < librecat> the problem is finding the exact chipset in a usb or pcie form is not as consistient as sending the whole mobo with a cpu installed to protect the pins
15:28 < Bradipo> But you could ask.  But the fact that most wireless nics don't already work suggests either lack of interest, or lack of funding.
15:29 < librecat> or because qcom wifi drivers are extremely complex and going from qwx to qwz is just too much effort to be intresting
15:29 < librecat> like you said a developer needs to be paid for a year or so for this to get off the ground
15:29 < Bradipo> I don't know how much time/money it takes to get a nic working.
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15:30 < librecat> but the point is "intrest" alone doesnt make food
15:30 < librecat> sometimes you just need to pay people 
15:30 < librecat> if you want proffessional grade os someone needs to pay for it
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15:30 < librecat> on linux its the companies
15:30 < Bradipo> You could donate to the OpenBSD Foundation...
15:30 < librecat> on windows its the customers
15:30 < librecat> on openbsd its donors
15:31 < librecat> Bradipo: yeah i should do what i said
15:31 < Bradipo> But that doesn't have any specific project direction such as wifi drivers.
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15:31 < librecat> yes of course
15:31 < librecat> i mean a small generic tip with no strings attached
15:32 < librecat> Bradipo: i understood that you mean saying "someone needs to pay for professional grade os" implies i should donate 
15:32 < librecat> without asking anything back
15:33 < librecat> openbsd is first place on my "to donate" list then
15:34 < pardis> if you have a fixed requirement for hardware, the best approach is to be flexible in your choice of OS
15:34 < librecat> because making an independant kernel without any significant corporate influenced sponsorship this successful is a feat
15:34 < pardis> if you absolutely want to use OpenBSD, then be flexible in your choice of hardware
15:34 < librecat> good point
15:34 < pardis> you cannot have both unless you are wealthy enough to employ your own developers
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15:34 < librecat> i have some OpenBSD compatible hardware
15:34 < librecat> its just not my main pc
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15:42 < vortexx> librecat: only ssperling@ works on wifi drivers, and he manages to do about one every six months to a year. The 802.11 stack needs a lot of updating and work too, and there's not enough interest in doing that really, and hasn't been for 10 years
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16:11 < avemestr> Wooooot! 802.11n support in qwx(4) by stsp coming in 7.8!
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16:13 < avemestr> Lovely news for people with newer Thinkpads with AMD CPUs that Lenovo for some reason decided to equip with Qualcomm wifi.
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16:14 < oldlaptop> That's one big stable for one guy to shovel.
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16:27 < strajder> avemestr: does that cover Atheros built-in cards on Lenovo laptops?
16:28 < strajder> currently, I have to use external 802.11 Realtek USB WiFi card ;-;
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16:30 < avemestr> Unfortunately qwz covers Qualcomm: https://man.openbsd.org/qwx
16:30 < avemestr> Some Atheros drivers are present: https://man.openbsd.org/?query=atheros&apropos=1&sec=0&arch=default&manpath=OpenBSD-current
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16:35 < strajder> yeah, I have QCA6174, and the hardware itself is very buggy; if I plug in USB WiFi card it hangs even in Windoze
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16:36 < strajder> but (I guess since OpenBSD doesn't support the Atheros one) Realtek external one is fine in OpenBSD
16:36 < Bradipo> I've had a hard time finding any "modern" supported wifi adapters.
16:37 < Bradipo> I bought 5 different adapters from a local PC hardware store and not one of them would work.
16:37 < Bradipo> I do have some old PCMCIA cards that work, but "modern" laptops don't have slots for those anymore.
16:38 < strajder> it makes a mess during sysupgrade though; I have to sysupgrade -n, then plug out the USB WiFi, reboot to Windows, then back to OpenBSD, wait for upgrade to finish, then plug back in the USB wifi
16:38 < strajder> otherwise it hangs after first restart after sysupgrade xD
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17:34 < sonya> hello.. i'm a bit confused.. afair, there'd be some sort of 'paranoid' mode running OpenBSD (extra slow and hell of a lot of additional checks) and i forgot how to enable it.. or i'm just dreaming and it was smth else.. any ideas? thanks..
17:36 < Bradipo> Are you thinking of SMT?
17:36 < sonya> no
17:36 < sonya> some sort of additional checks for each running binary..
17:37 < uwharrie> do you mean securelevel(7)?
17:37 < sonya> may be i'm spoiled and it wasn't at system level..
17:37 < sonya> no, not securelevel 2
17:37 < jadi> I remember adding `GJ` to `/etc/malloc.conf` . add guard pages / Junk memory on free
17:38 < sonya> jadi, THANKS! that's close!
17:38 < sonya> this kind of stuff, yes
17:39 < sonya> $ man malloc - reaiding..
17:40 < jadi> OH.. so you may also want to looking into `pledge` and `unveil`
17:42 < jadi> although they are more on the programming side and not a user config thing. 
17:42 < sonya> jadi, that's prog side.. yes
17:43 < sonya> # sysctl vm.malloc_conf=
17:43 < sonya> looks like this..
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19:19 < Vuokko> Hi!
19:20 < Vuokko> Is there a way to see easily what connections a program makes to network?
19:27 < thrig> fstat -p `pgrep irssi`
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19:28 < strajder> that lists open files by irssi
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19:28 < strajder> Vuokko: see wireshark
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19:33 < oldlaptop> strajder: "file" is defined a bit more broadly for this purpose than you're implying
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19:36 < thrig> or you could have a PF rule for a user or group that logs connections
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19:37 < oldlaptop> Lovely weather.
19:37 < fro> hey it's like efnet used to be
19:38 < fro> imagine going through the same thing in 2025
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19:38 < oldlaptop> <thrig> fstat -p `pgrep irssi` | grep internet\ stream
19:38 < oldlaptop> (worth noting there's internet6)
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19:39 < Vuokko> Thanks. I think I have now an idea what is going wrong. I need to wireshark little bit more
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19:40 < oldlaptop> (tcpdump can mostly do sort of the same things as wireshark, kind of, except when it can't)
19:40 < Vuokko> like save to pcap and wireshar can show it :D
19:41 < oldlaptop> As a practical matter some of the visualizations/parsers/etc. are really helpful. Unfortunately that's also kind of unavoidably "helpful" to a hypothetical attacker.
19:41 < oldlaptop> and wireshark's just popular enough that an attacker might think of that
19:42 < oldlaptop> (of course the attacker will assume you're running it on kali.)
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20:13 < jrmu> did rfork(2) used to exist on openbsd but was removed? I see it in some older man pages
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20:15 < systemdsucks> if so there may be some mails about it on the developers mail list
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20:27 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=133430179424845&w=2 indeed.
20:29 < systemdsucks> you did the search and shit!
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20:47 < jrmu> thanks vortexx 
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21:34 < unrznbl> I saw one issue related to BSD at the openvpn3 C++ client library: https://github.com/OpenVPN/openvpn3/issues/295, I was wondering if anyone had used openvpn3? I am going to install OpenBSD to try and use it daily and will search ports and such...
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22:31 < emmanuelux> hello 7.8 soon?
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22:41 < deimosBSD> https://www.openbsd.org/78.html any second now, just keep hitting refresh and you'll be first to know.
22:41 < deimosBSD> in reality, anytime between now and the 31st
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22:43 < oldlaptop> Soon, but not tonight.
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22:53 < pardis> if you keep asking in this channel, it will get released sooner
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22:59 < uwharrie> aren't you supposed to post the root.mail and ask what's wrong?
23:00  * oldlaptop actually reads emails, notes that naddy says the ports tree is unlocked as of thirteen whole minutes ago
23:03 < thrig> headers (unless faked) say they're running Sendmail on internal machines
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23:21 < Bradipo> I can use restrict in an authorized_keys file: https://man.openbsd.org/sshd#restrict
23:21 < Bradipo> Is there a similar option for Match rules in sshd_config?
23:22 < Bradipo> Or do I have to list restrictions individually?  E.g. PermitOpen, PermitTty, PermitTunnel, etc...
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23:25 < thrig> not that I'm aware of, but I might have missed it in sshd_config
23:26 < Bradipo> Yeah, I don't see it either.  The nice thing about "restrict" is that new restrictions are automatically picked up (if ever more are added).
23:28 < thrig> I guess source dive and see what 'restrict' does, and from there if there's a knob you can set via sshd_config?
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23:28 < Bradipo> Yeah, good idea.
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