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12:18 < librecat> i got banned from some openbsd telegram community for simply asking why discussing linux isnt allowed
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12:19 < librecat> and it was after getting the answer
12:20 < bombuzal> ^_^
12:21 < bombuzal> I got banned from ICB once for asking about Linux, though I was trolling so it was well-deserved
12:23 < ssm_> librecat: all openbsd communities including this one are unofficial. though I suppose this is the most official unofficial community. official community is on listname@openbsd.org only
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12:24 < ssm_> anyways, to troll them tell them that openbsd is gnu/openbsd because gcc is in base on some architectures, and there are several gnu utilities still in base
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12:25 < librecat> ssm_: im not gonna troll im just gonna avoid
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12:26 < ssm_> I mean documenting unassociated inter-community drama (does anyone here use telegram?) in a support channel is a good start to trolling, I'm just playing suite
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12:27 < librecat> True i must apologize for that
12:27 < oldlaptop> "this" channel (on freenode, years age) was "official" for a while before blakkheim/tj@ left
12:27 < oldlaptop> *ago
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12:28 < mccd> Hey, is there a particular reason that fsdev option is disabled for qemu?
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12:30 < bombuzal> ssm_: haha
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12:33 < bombuzal> mccd: AFAIK it's because of the lack of virtfs support in qemu for OpenBSD
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12:34 < oldlaptop> the port doesn't specifically say anything about it, as far as I can tell.
12:34 < oldlaptop> (https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/emulators/qemu/Makefile?rev=1.258&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup)
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12:36 < bombuzal> "Currently 9pfs in qemu supports either virtio (Linux KVM host <-> Linux guest) or Xen as communication channel." - (from an OSX bug report) https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1884169
12:36 < bombuzal> 2020-06-19
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16:20 < Filystyn> hi guys
16:20 < Filystyn> I need some advice for plotters
16:20 < Filystyn> example gnuplot
16:20 < Filystyn> honestly i dislike it extreamly
16:20 < Filystyn> any better things out there
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16:30 < Filystyn> tyring labplot xD
16:30 < Filystyn> honestly i should probabl;y make my own plotter xD
16:30 < Filystyn> labplot seems monolithic
16:38 < Filystyn> aaa fuck it i guess ill stick to gnuplot
16:39 < bombuzal> https://nlnet.nl/project/OpenBSD-wifi-WPA3/
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17:50 < rudi_s> Filystyn: matplotlib?
17:50 < rudi_s> Is really flexible and worked fine for some advanced graphs for me.
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19:33 < geckoware> hi everyone! so, i've came across https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/, i'm new to openBSD and i'm wondering if this website is any good for configuring?
19:35 < avemestr> geckoware: You're probably better of relying on the official docs (FAQ and manpages).
19:39 < avemestr> geckoware: That's not to say that information on that website is wrong.
19:40 < geckoware> avemestr: oh cool, thanks!
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19:51 < oldlaptop> Sometimes it's just copypasted from the real FAQ, etc. That's fine unless and until it becomes outdated. Sometimes it's original work, and that's more dangerous.
19:54 < geckoware> i was wondering that because, from what i've tested with the config, i think it made my cronjobs not send emails and so on
19:56 < geckoware> it also gives "inet 192.168.1.100 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1" as a "baby's first networking config" for static and it's dangerously wrong because inputting that will most likely crash the router
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20:03 < sibiria> it won't crash
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20:12 < humm> Filystyn: R
20:12 < pardis> how would configuring an IP address crash a router, short of a kernel bug?
20:14 < humm> Filystyn: gopher://bitreich.org/1/scm/ploot/log.gph
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20:52 < Filystyn> thx all
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21:17 < thrig> or buggy hardware with direct memory access
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21:38 < minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
21:39 < minall> Why is FVWM the default option for WM for Xorg in OpenBSD?, and will it be continued to be supported?. Is it perhaps because it is more secure as it has good OpenBSD support, something like unveil or pledge?. I'm reading about it and, I wonder about the decision just for curiosity. I'm reading about it and I'm getting impressed over its features 
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21:43 < humm> maybe those deciding that were just impressed over its features
21:43 < humm> maybe you can find something in the CVS repo
21:44 < tux0r> FVWM, while not quite as amazing as CDE which remains my favourite desktop (but is probably a burden to maintain.. -), is quite a decent option, actually.
21:44 < minall> perhaps it is stable and feature closed? <- Or the code for it was reviewed as it did for the other sides of OpenBSD?
21:44 < minall> humm: I'm not acquianted much with the CVS... How could I search for it?, as in, search a commit for it?, will it contain relevant information ? <- As I am just curious overall
21:45 < minall> Like, it is not that I want to know to say if it is better or not than other options like DWM or CWM. Just curious
21:45 < oldlaptop> minall: I would infer that one or more OpenBSD developers like it and don't want to change/remove it.
21:46 < oldlaptop> I would expect cwm is not seen as a reasonable default - too "weird". (Any "tiling" WM would have the same problem, but worse.)
21:46 < humm> optionally clone the repo with rsync; get a checkout (if you want by simply fetching a tarball with a checkout); use cvs blame and cvs log and cvs diff or Emacs’s vc thing to find the exact change and its log message
21:47 < tvtoon> tabwm!
21:47 < oldlaptop> I would think it's fairly obvious that fvwm is preferable to twm as a default.
21:48 < humm> idk what’s weird about cwm
21:48 < oldlaptop> "how do I move a window?!"
21:49 < humm> Alt + mouse, /obviously/ /s
21:49 < oldlaptop> (I'm sure you can think of other bewildered questions that >99% of the computer-literate population would need to ask upon seeing it for the first time)
21:50 < sibiria> fvwm can't be "un-defaulted" because it's theo's favorite wm
21:50 < minall> oldlaptop: Oh, that would be alright, though I though it was going to be a sane default/stable/correctness reason, but it may be well that an old dev likes it too
21:50 < oldlaptop> as to whether base-fvwm is likely to stay, it happens that someone whined about its continued existence on misc@ recently, with (among others) this result: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=175987550214025&w=2
21:50 < minall> I'll do that humm 
21:51 < humm> if you like, tell us if you find something interesting
21:51 < minall> Oh, let me check that link
21:51 < minall> sibiria: So it is that haha
21:51 < oldlaptop> (I don't see that as proof that "some people" means deraadt@, but it seems consistent with that theory. I'd kinda doubt he's the only one.)
21:51 < sibiria> i dare say it's a big reason :)
21:52 < sibiria> but then again, it takes not a minute to change one's xsession to use something else
21:52 < minall> lol
21:52 < oldlaptop> (other someone@s in that thread seem to share that approximate level of enthusiasm for fwwm removal)
21:53 < minall> Right. This email is quite interesting, thank you oldlaptop. I'm recently entering OpenBSD and, I'm still not accustomed with some things, which is why I will be asking some questions. Though manuals are pretty neat of course
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21:54 < oldlaptop> I don't know offhand which WMs (if any?) in ports might be pledged or unveiled. For that matter I would have to look to see whether the ones in base are (though I'd assume so - most other programs in openbsd are)
21:54 < minall> Oh wait, and there's FVWM 2 and 3?, I wonder if they are 'better' or just have more features but not checked code
21:55 < oldlaptop> That should realistically be pretty low on your list of priorities when choosing a window manager. (You've probably already lost, many times over, if a memory-handling bug in your window manager is relevant.)
21:55 < oldlaptop> They're new versions, that changed things. As sometimes happens not everyone liked the changes, and the old versions without the changes have continued on.
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22:02 < tvtoon> just use xfce, it has been 4 forever
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22:06 < tux0r> just use cde
22:06 < tux0r> it's been 2 forever
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22:58 < mischief> spectrwm is pledged
22:59 < mischief> been using it for like 15 years now
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23:09 < franks2> sibiria: any thought on my restart?
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23:27 < sibiria> franks2: sorry, no. if you don't signal to it via newsyslog, i get the impression that something else is restarting it
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