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02:22 < deimosBSD> is there a unicode char lookup tool for command line? e.g <some_cli_tool> degree and the result is the degree symbol and the key combo to type it?
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02:25 < deimosBSD> possibly also called a unicode char search
02:33 < deimosBSD> i've been grepping the text files from https://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/ for now
02:41 < rnkn> deimosBSD that sounds like the smartest way to do it
02:42 < rnkn> i.e. grep 
02:43 < deimosBSD> if one downloads https://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/UCD.zip then you have them all offline
02:43 < deimosBSD> i'll vibe code it ;)
02:45 < rnkn> seems like a one-liner though
02:46 < deimosBSD> I'm hoping someone wrote a nice little tui to show the character, the commands, and let one live search the possibilities as one types
02:46 < deimosBSD> otherwise, yes, I have it as a shell function
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04:16 < Bradipo> deimosBSD: There are some "tables" I think.
04:16 < Bradipo> See Compose(5)
04:18 < Bradipo> For example: grep degree /usr/X11R6/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
04:19 < Bradipo> Oh, well, I guess that doesn't help you know what bytes are required to produce that.
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04:35 < rnkn> deimosBSD: is your nick a reference to Doom or just the moon?
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04:45 < deimosBSD> why not both?
04:45 < deimosBSD> the moon, but never thought of doom
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12:42 < cjs> FYI, I am not sure whom to notify, nor if this is even relevant for the actual final release website, but openbsd.org/78.html says "Terraodontidae" right at the top, which is a misspelling of "Tetraodontida" (singular, nominative) or "Tetraodontidae" (the family name for "Pufferfish," nominative plural, or in the case of the title of my BSDCan 2024 talk "Summa Tetraodontidae," genitive singular). I would not 
12:42 < cjs> want tomorrow to come with a cool new graphic only for it to have a misspelled name!
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12:56 < oldlaptop> Could be a deliberate play on words too?
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13:03 < IcePic> cjs: I could have lived my entire life not knowing that was wrong
13:04 < nanach1> the new openbsd is tomorrow?
13:04 < xs> :O
13:04 < nanach1> i picked a bad day to go back to using it 
13:04 < xs> ?
13:04 < IcePic> all days are good days to use obsd!
13:04 < xs> indeed! <3
13:05 < nanach1> well i can just sysupgrade but i could have saved myself some trouble
13:05 < nanach1> cause im on 77
13:05 < nanach1> and 78 is tomorrow apparently
13:05 < IcePic> its still supported for some 6 months
13:05 < nanach1> tru
13:05 < nanach1> i just like having new packages cause sometimes stuff gets added
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13:18 < oldlaptop> Maybe you want to ride the snapshots roller coaster.
13:21 < sibiria> or build ports yourself
13:22 < nanach1> yeah i was on -current once a while back
13:23 < nanach1> building ports, i haven't tried yet
13:23 < nanach1> i have done it on netbsd & free though so i assume the process is similar
13:23 < sibiria> pretty similar yes
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14:04 < cjs> oldlaptop: IcePic: Well, should I send a memo to misc@, or should we wait and see if this is a mere placeholder for something else, making the misspelling irrelevant?
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14:07 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD ports are very different from FreeBSD ports or pkgsrc in that the ports tree is maintained and released in lockstep with OpenBSD itself.
14:08 < oldlaptop> You can't use the -current ports tree with a stable release or vice versa. (I guess you can try, but once it breaks you are very comprehensively On Your Own.)
14:09 < oldlaptop> cjs: It's alt text and filenames.
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14:10 < cjs> oldlaptop: So it is irrelevant, then? Again, it is just the very first word right at the top of the page, so a misspelling there is outsized relative to a missing comma in the middle of the release notes.
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14:12 < oldlaptop> This alt text reads "Life Of A Fish". https://www.openbsd.org/77.html
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14:12 < cjs> Aside -- 7.8-RELEASE is already downloadable at least for AMD64 (https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.8/amd64/install78.img)
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14:15 < cjs> oldlaptop: Well, I guess we will find out tomorrow :)
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14:35 < ssm_> unsupported until 78.html is published I believe
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14:36 < oldlaptop> CVS is tagged weeks before release date, files start trickling onto mirrors at least days before.
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14:37 < oldlaptop> I wouldn't expect links under the CDN to work reliably yet, since it could randomly be a mirror that file X has trickled onto or it could randomly not be.
14:37 < oldlaptop> (it's not the best idea for snapshots for more or less the same reason)
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14:50 < vortexx> I'd especially expect packages even on tier 1 platforms to not be quite ready yet either
14:50 < pardis> OpenBSD has no platform tiers
14:51 < vortexx> I'm busy compiling my own right now, now I've worked out why building base wasn't working (directory permissions, as usual)
14:51 < vortexx> pardis: well "slower" archs don't get their packages on day one now do they?
14:51 < pardis> yes, but there's no tier distinction, the packages just take longer to build on some arches due to the available hardware being slower
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14:54 < vortexx> I know I know, it was a figure of speech
14:58 < sibiria> immaterial tier. amd64/i386 get stable package updates, the rest do not
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15:02 < vortexx> I wonder if arm64 will get that one day...
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15:02 < oldlaptop> eventually all the slow hardware will be dead, like the vaxes :(
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15:03 < oldlaptop> and all three remaining arches can get snapshots, stable packages, etc.
15:04 < oldlaptop> (I'm assuming there are enough taloses and IBM ebay pieces for powerpc64 to last a while even if IBM gives up tomorrow)
15:04 < oldlaptop> Maybe three is too pessimistic and riscv64 will go somewhere.
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15:05 < sibiria> vortexx: the whole thing needs an overhaul
15:05 < sibiria> not even amd64 is guaranteed to get stable package updates
15:06 < sibiria> happens when maintainer and others align and make an effort
15:06 < sibiria> if the package is important enough
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15:44 < vortexx> sibiria: yes, manpower is the eternal issue
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15:45 < sibiria> i think mainly the lack of having an established process at all
15:48 < sibiria> the process is maintainer feels like it + has time for it + theo or whomever accepts building it + one or more celestial bodies align
15:48 < sibiria> there may or may not be additional criteria. nobody really knows
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15:49 < quinq> What about womanpower
15:49 < sibiria> yeah did we just assume or exclude? begin self-flagelation immediately
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15:52 < thrig> botpower
15:55 < sibiria> i mean those linux NPCs manage to automate this. we should be able to, too
15:55 < vortexx> I=1420 B=31 Q=235 T=55 F=1 !=14 <-- dpb is getting there...
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16:52 < mrbubzie> Is it possible to use gui with vmd?
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16:52 < lts-> No
16:53 < oldlaptop> mrbubzie: What exactly are you trying to achieve?
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16:53 < mrbubzie> Could I use a vnc client and get it running that way
16:53 < mrbubzie> Tigervnc
16:53 < mrbubzie> Just wanted to play around with it
16:53 < oldlaptop> That depends on what exactly you're trying to do.
16:54 < mrbubzie> I wanted to install a full desktop
16:54 < mrbubzie> I was thinking you could do serial console install and enable vnc
16:54 < mrbubzie> For gui
16:54 < oldlaptop> You could run X clients on a VM, and forward them to the host's X server. Xvnc or something could probably also be made to work, but that seems like a lot of extra pain for no real utility.
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16:56 < mrbubzie> Just learning
16:56 < mrbubzie> Is all
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17:08 < nanach1> mrbubzie: VNC is not optimal for that kinda thing. for lowest latency, you can run Xephyr and then tell the guest to use that as the server
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19:27  * tux0r reads https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.8/ANNOUNCEMENT
19:27 < tux0r> preparing for in a few hours, i guess..
19:28 < rkta> Firefox just crashed my Xorg...
19:29 < tux0r> <ssm_> unsupported until 78.html is published I believe << it is
19:32 < tux0r> brb, upgrading my znc server..
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20:21 < Bradipo> Regarding the discussion of autocompletion yesterday...
20:22 < Bradipo> One thing I like about OpenBSD's vi is that you can use TAB to autocomplete file names when using E to open a new screen.
20:22 < oldlaptop> I would call that... manual-complete? in the context of how much "autocomplete" annoys me
20:22 < Bradipo> Well, sure, I cannot stand all the bash autocompletion stuff.
20:22 < Bradipo> But I don't mind using tab to autocomplete a path.
20:23 < Bradipo> For example, I want to be able to type: unzip /path/to/file.txt
20:23 < Bradipo> And not have the autocompletion get in the way of that working.
20:24 < oldlaptop> if you've had the displeasure (as I would call it, to the displeasure of MS fans who think it's God's gift to software development) of using Visual Studio for anything, "Intellisense" is IMO the poster child for AAAAAGH STOP GO AWAY YOU'RE NOT HELPING autocomplete that should be hurled into the outer darkness.
20:24 < Bradipo> bash autocompletion is too much of a burden in this case: unzip /path/to/file<TAB>
20:24 < Bradipo> Because it will refuse to complete, even if *I* know that what's in that file.txt is zip data.
20:24 < oldlaptop> It
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20:25 < oldlaptop> *It's too smart, in other words :P
20:25 < Bradipo> Haha, yes, I have observed VS in action.  All that autocompletion as one types would be super annoying.
20:25 < oldlaptop> or so smart it's stupid
20:25 < Bradipo> That would be the first thing I figure out how to disable.
20:25 < Bradipo> Yes, it's too "smart".
20:25 < thrig> "that's nice, but how do I turn it off?"
20:26 < oldlaptop> I think Microsoft's new frontier in that is going to be "copilot" offering to write the function for you incorrectly.
20:26 < oldlaptop> (Also, did you perhaps intend this for #tcl?)
20:27 < Bradipo> Oh, yes, I suppose I did.
20:27 < Bradipo> I thought of vi(1) and thought #openbsd, but yes, it was actually #tcl.
20:27  * oldlaptop thought "oh good! I don't usually see thrig in #tcl"
20:32 < Reinhilde> :D
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20:38 < uzuri> how long till the release?
20:38 < thrig> are we there yet
20:39 < uzuri> ports three has been unlocked last week, were out of beta
20:39 < fro> just wait for the announcement
20:39 < fro> goddamn
20:40 < systemdsucks> it's like kids waiting for christmas
20:40 < uzuri> on 78.html it shows oct. XXX as release date, the site exists since 2nd october IIRC
20:41 < uzuri> i dont see much being done in the mailing lists except for typos
20:41 < uzuri> just wondering whats causing the wait
20:42 < fro> well 78.html isn't finished yet
20:42 < fro> so there's that
20:43 < fro> i don't know why this matters
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20:51 < oldlaptop> Are we there yet?
20:52 < zelest> according to sysupgrade we are :)
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20:55 < x_x> new openbsd release?
20:56 < Bradipo> Or maybe perhaps just a new openbsd lease?
20:59 < zelest> we clearly need a dhcpreleased to re-lease the old lease when it expires
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20:59 < zelest> though, i normally read it as dhc pleased
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21:37 < oldlaptop> zelest: It politely asks the server for an address.
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21:40 < zelest> oldlaptop, :D
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