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05:55 < rnkn> if I have a bunch of sites with custom domain names, can relayd dynamically find the TLS certs upon a request? e.g. request comes in for foobarbaz.com, relayd looks for foobarbaz.crt and foobarbaz.key and respond with foobarbaz.com over TLS, all without having foobarbaz.com in relayd.conf?
05:57 < rnkn> *forbarbaz.com.crt foobarbaz.com.key
05:59 < rnkn> AI says relayd can't do SNI and I should use Nginx
05:59 < rnkn> > Use a more advanced approach to handle multiple SNI certs dynamically
05:59 < rnkn> brilliant
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06:06 < rnkn> or should this be handled at the application level? (meaning the application would need to run on port 443?)
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06:24 < byteskeptical> rnkn: man relayd.conf <- keypair
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06:27 < rnkn> byteskeptical: on the right track but I'm trying to do this without specifying every custom domain keypair in relayd.conf, like just have relayd lookup the cert/key based on SNI
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06:45 < rnkn> it looks like I may have to use caddy, which, hmm
06:48 < rnkn> can I do "tls { include /path/to/domains.txt } where each line in domains.txt is "keypair "example.com""?
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07:13 < IcePic> caddy is kind of nice, the stock default configs for a normal https site is super short and it handles it all internally
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08:24 < rkta> I'm on -current now. When pkg_add -un reports 'Warning in librsvg-2.61.1v0: @tag update-gdk-pixbuf definition not found', is this a temporary error because something dependency tree? should I just wait or do I need to do something?
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08:32 < rkta> Is there a way I can see why some package is installed?
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08:38 < henrix> doas pkg_delete -vs <package>
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08:40 < ivdsangen> or pkg_info -R <package>
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08:43 < rnkn> okay it seems nginx can do variables in certificate names, which relayd cannot, so it's the winner
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09:47 < k0ga> ls -l
09:47 < k0ga> [5~
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09:54 < IcePic> ksh: [5~ : not found
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09:57 < rkta> pkg_delete -vs works fine, does show the whole tree.
09:58 < rkta> btw, how often do people here on -current do a sysupgrade -s? Every day?
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10:00 < IcePic> once a week or so
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10:27 < rnkn> how do I delete a package installed with portgen?
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10:32 < IcePic> pkg_delete should be used for both things you installed with pkg_add and everything build from ports
10:34 < rnkn> hmm yeah I thought so, but pkg_delete says it can't find the package
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10:36 < rnkn> in /usr/ports/mystuff/cpan/p5-Carton if I run doas make deinstall it says it can't find the package either
10:39 < rnkn> it's installed at /usr/local/bin/carton but it's not showing up in pkg_info
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10:44 < rnkn> oh I think I might have installed this with cpan and forgot about it. sorry.
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12:00 < rnkn> there's no easy path to growing a filesystem than has been partitioned in the regular OpenBSD layout is there? it's basically stuck that way?
12:05 < mischief> no. reinstall.
12:06 < sonya> rnkn, $ man 8 growfs - works, no way to shrink
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12:09 < rnkn> sonya: doesn't that just grow a single partition?
12:09 < rnkn> like you can't enlarge everything proportionately
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12:12 < sibiria> you cannot
12:12 < sibiria> you can push the end of any single partition forward, given that there's space "behind" for it to grow. that's it
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12:48 < rnkn> portgen isn't building a PLIST for one of the dependencies
12:49 < rnkn> https://termbin.com/i1b6m
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13:00 < rnkn> I don't know why the text encoding is all screwy
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13:02 < jedesa> rnkn: what do you mean by that?
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13:03 < rnkn> jedesa: the text encoding?
13:03 < rnkn> or the PLIST?
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13:04 < jedesa> the text encoding (not that I am an expert in it or anything)
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13:08 < rnkn> some of the characters have output as '|[K[K' and the like
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13:25 < rnkn> okay `make update-plist` failed but `doas make update-plist` worked, despite yelling at me not to build packages as root
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13:26 < IcePic> updating the plist sounds like changing the recipe, whereas building a port is mostly "following the recipe"
13:28 < rnkn> but portgen wasn't creating the PLIST
13:29 < IcePic> just stating why it might require root to update the plist but not necessarily building a port (given that the obj/ dirs are properly set up)
13:29 < rnkn> huh, okay I found this on https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-6.0/make-plist.1 but it appears to have since been removed
13:30 < rnkn> oh I see what you're saying
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13:31 < rnkn> it worked, I can go to bed
13:33 < rnkn> I am, however, a little concerned with my /usr partition being 57% full with the ports tree
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13:35 < IcePic> /usr/ports/pobj and /usr/ports/packages and /usr/ports/distfiles will grow
13:36 < IcePic> pobj can be an mfs ramdisk if you clean it out, the other two could possibly be softlinks into /home or some other larger partition
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13:49 < CommonNickname> hello. I cannot find a way to mount a ntfs partition. It is a USB, but it looks like the 'mount' command, don't identify the 'Ântfs' partition with a ntfs signature. This usb have 2 partitions, the other is 'fat32' and I am able to mount it. 
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13:51 < CommonNickname> I install the ntfs_3g package and even with that I cannot mount it. In other Linux box I am able to mount both.
13:52 < CommonNickname> using "mount -t ntfs /dev/sd3i /mnt/pen" 
13:53 < sibiria> are you sure it's partition "i"?
13:53 < sibiria> "i" is the first one, but if you have several primary or logical extended partitions, they will end up on j, k, l etc.
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13:53 < sibiria> check with "fdisk sd3"
13:53 < CommonNickname> sibiria: yes is the first, since the j is the 'fat32' 
13:55 < sibiria> what do you see with "disklabel -n sd3"? (don't paste here, use a pastbein)
13:56 < CommonNickname> i NTFS j: MSDOS 
13:56 < sibiria> also, /mnt/pen exists? mount(8) won't create the directory itself
13:56 < CommonNickname> yes
13:57 < sibiria> so what happens? mount just returns to the prompt without an error or message?
13:58 < CommonNickname> mount_ntfs /dev/sd3i on /mnt/pen: Invalid argument
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13:59 < sibiria> is it a logical volume?
14:00 < sibiria> an extended ntfs file system that spans several partitions?
14:00 < sibiria> resizable kind
14:00 < CommonNickname> sibiria: I don't know. How to see that ? 
14:00 < sibiria> i guess you'd have to either look in windows, or maybe if one of linux tools can enumerate it
14:01 < sibiria> openbsd's native ntfs driver can't handle those
14:01 < CommonNickname> is create with / by ventoy software. 
14:01 < sibiria> i guess that's the reason
14:01 < sibiria> magic chinese constant
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14:41 < moviuro> hi all, what are the ~default/reasonable ways to organize files in /var/www ? I see stuff like htdocs/ acme/ etc. is that documented? (it's not in httpd(8) nor httpd.conf(5); hier(7) only lists /var/www as 'Configuration files for httpd(8).') I'm going to add more .well-known stuff, but with 2 distinct domains on a single server, I fear I'll be making a mess very soon^TM
14:42 < IcePic> keeping pages under htdocs is good to separate content from conf and logs and so on
14:42 < moviuro> so htdocs/domain.tld/.well-known ?
14:43 < pardis> on a machine hosting multiple domains I usually don't bother with htdocs since /var/www/domain.tld on its own serves the same purpose of separating files
14:43 < pardis> but it won't make much difference, do whatever works for you
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14:48 < moviuro> server "my.domain.tld" { location * { root /my.domain.tld } } # it is this, then!
14:50 < sibiria> htdocs/ is also an established default path for when no matching hostname has been found. i always put my own stuff outside htdocs for that reason, e.g. /var/www/domain
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14:50 < sibiria>  /var/www/htdocs/ is /var/www/html/'s brother from another mother
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15:34 < CommonNickname> question: does relayd can be used to filter http requests? 
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15:43 < vortexx> CommonNickname: I believe you can but I've never done it. relayd is unfortunately not the easiest to configure daemon without prior knowledge. Might be worth checking misc@
15:45 < CommonNickname> hm, what 'prior knowledge' is needed? 
15:47 < vortexx> reading manpage in detail
15:47 < vortexx> and knowing which specific http requests you need to filter of course
15:49 < pardis> while it is normally a bad idea to run a web search rather than rely on official documentation for OpenBSD problems, I have found it highly effective in the case of relayd
15:49 < pardis> there are many example configs out there you can adapt with reference to the man page
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15:52 < Bradipo> Unfortunately, relayd.conf(5) et al. could use a lot better documentation for how to do things.
15:52 < Bradipo> I think relayd(8) is much more capable than the documentation lets on.
15:53 < Bradipo> And that's why searching for example configurations can often uncover nifty things that relayd(8) can do.
15:54 < Bradipo> For example, how do you make relayd(8) proxy CONNECT requests?
15:55 < Bradipo> The man page says it handles the CONNECT method.
15:57 < Bradipo> But how to make it work is an exercise for a Mentat.
15:58 < CommonNickname> the man page first paragraf lead to "think" that the services that we want to setup, need to be running, before relayd can run. " When availability is confirmed, layer 3 and/or layer 7 forwarding services are set up by relayd." 
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16:05 < vortexx> I'd say relayd is one of the most arcane and underdocumented daemons on OpenBSD, and it's native to the platform...
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16:06 < zbcm> someone write the book of rd
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16:13 < byteskeptical> CommonNickname: normally your not relaying an non-existant service. Relayd & Httpd Master by Michael Lucas exists (https://mwl.io/nonfiction/tools)
16:14 < Bradipo> relayd still will start even if your services are not there.
16:14 < Bradipo> It just won't be able to do anything about it.
16:16 < byteskeptical> of course you can but the man page is not going to suggest an backwards way of applying such a service
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16:19 < oldlaptop> Perhaps it needs a pf-like FAQ, one of these decades.
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16:24 < moviuro> I was trying to get relayd to manipulate Prime Video's traffic (by removing the advertizing chunks), but I stopped when I needed to manipulate some XML files. (NB: yes, Amazon Prime uses cleartext HTTP)
16:24 < oldlaptop> O_o
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17:36 < CommonNickname> byteskeptical: "I do everything wrong, but wrong works for me.
17:37 < CommonNickname> :) Perfect! 
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17:58 < jab> woo hoo! 
17:58 < jab> I'm about to install OpenBSD on a blackbird computer!
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18:13 < WhyNotHugo> Can I set an environment variable for all children processes at the top of a Makefile?
18:15 < avemestr> jab: Nice!
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18:18 < warden> Hi to all. Anyone here has ever successfully run OpenBSD on Apple MacBook Air 2008 (the 1st gen)?
18:20 < warden> I just managed to successfully boot in BIOS-emulated mode (https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/k2k52u/openbsd_on_a_old_macbook_from_early_2008_when/)
18:21 < warden> using a ISO and an external CD reader attached via the only one USB port! :)
18:22 < warden> but the integrated WiFi card (BCM4321) does not seem to be supported... I'm right?
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19:06 < avemestr> warden: The closest you get is probably https://man.openbsd.org/amd64/bwfm.4 which doesn't list BCM4321... it has BCM4324 and BCM4329 though...
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19:15 < warden> avemestr: thanks, I found that... unfortunately Broadcom's chips used by Apple devices are unsupported by almost everyone. I managed to get the WiFi card working only with FreeBSD's bwn driver and the net/bwn-firmware-kmod Port so far! :'(
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19:19 < avemestr> There's syspatch available for syspatch!
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19:30 < rtj> avemestr: Yes I ran it 3x times just for science. 
19:31 < rtj> Never read the release email and though I hit the matrix. So meta
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19:32 < rtj> Well errata email. You folks know what I'm saying.
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21:02 < izder456> could someone possibly help with this? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=176123210114837&w=2
21:03 < izder456> something broke in my patch for version 1.3 and i'd like to fix it
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21:04 < anthk_> hello, is it possible to set CFLAGS for a port under OpenBSD
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21:06 < librecat>  /etc/mk.conf i think
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21:28 < franks2> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20080318060000 is this up to date on how to create pkg, and become a pkg main@ainer?
21:29 < franks2> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html oh, this is better, nvm :-)
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21:48 < senninha> syspatch: updated itself, run it again to install missing patches
21:49 < senninha> Then syspatch returned 2, which means there are no further patches (according to the manual)
21:50 < senninha> (just something i realized)
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23:35 < rtj> senninha: Ok neat, nice to know thank you.
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23:43 < martian67> so i think i finally got the joke
23:43 < martian67> openbsd renamed scrotwm to cwm (calm window manager)
23:43 < martian67> cwm is a welsh word meaning valley, roughly pronounced coom
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23:49 < ssm_> wait so me calling cwm cum window manager as a joke wasn't a joke
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