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00:06 < vortexx> dlg: no worries, please proceed
00:06 < dlg> thanks
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01:26 < ssm_> is the intent behind putting function return types on separate lines in style(9) to make it easy to search for functions with ^function_name with re_format(7) compatible tooling?
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01:28 < thrig> that's why I do it, makes function names really easy to find
01:29 < ssm_> ctags can't find functions (or I'm using it wrong) so checks out
01:30 < thrig> base ctags isn't very fancy, there's some other versions in ports
01:37 < mischief> also is nicer to read when you know the names of things are the first thing on the line.
01:38 < ivy> i don't use ctags, but isn't the entire point of it to locate symbols, including functions?
01:40 < thrig> yes, but having "const char * const funcname" needs a more complicated and slower regex than ^funcname
01:41 < ivy> right, i usually just search for ^func.  i just thought the point of using ctags is you don't have to do that
01:42 < ssm_> you can create a demo tags file and just look at it with a pager to see what kind of stuff it finds
01:42 < ssm_> to actually use ctags though you need a compatible client (vi, ex, mg, less)
01:43 < thrig> you listed ex twice
01:43 < ivy> but if you have to search for ^func, what's the point of ctags?  isn't the whole purpose of it that it can find symbols in sources by itself?  
01:43 < ssm_> thrig: better than having two ex's
01:44 < thrig> ctags can open symbols in other files, and starts making sense as the code base embiggens
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01:45 < ivy> thrig: right, but ssm_ seems to be saying that ctags can't identify all symbols (specifically, it can't find functions).  which doesn't sound right to me.
01:47 < thrig> echo "void *blah(int n) { return; }" > a.c; ctags a.c; cat tags
01:48 < ssm_> sure glad I put that `(or I'm using it wrong)` in that last message
01:50 < ssm_> vi -t blah just werks, dunno what I was doing before
01:50 < ssm_> maybe I was specifying filename which you don't have to since tags stores the filename
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05:13 < Chip1972> how to install xxd ?
05:14 < dg> it's part of vim
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05:19 < Chip1972> thanks
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07:28 < sjjd> are there some cleanup scripts for openbsd? the basic installation takes some 10 GB
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07:40 < sonya> sjjd, # pkg_add sysclean ; pkg_check -Fnvv
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07:42 < sonya> install of a base system (all sets, amd64) is ~<3Gb ..
07:46 < sjjd> after the update, everything coredumps :(
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07:51 < ivdsangen> did you fresh upgrade to 7.8?
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07:57 < sjjd> yesterday
07:59 < ivdsangen> okay, did you upgrade packages also?
08:00 < sjjd> no, that is too taxing
08:02 < ivdsangen> too taxing for the filesystem?
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08:36 < cgnarne> doing one without the other will get you into trouble like this
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08:42 < i00nsu> Morning. Is possible to host a domain already registered in our home, like cloudflared application do, but without using a external application? If is possible, can you recommend me something to read about it? 
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08:44 < i00nsu> while this subject is not related directly to OpenBSD, it is at the same time, because OpenBSD have a lot of features that could be used to that propose 
08:44 < IcePic> i00nsu: which part is it you are asking about?
08:45 < IcePic> tunneling traffic home, or pointing the domain somewhere else?
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08:46 < i00nsu> IcePic: tunneling traffic to / from home to internet, which include pointing the server to use the domain I already register.. maybe I a bit confuse about the hole picture
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08:48 < i00nsu> I need to find more reading, while in my search I don't find something that explictlty describe that propose
08:49 < IcePic> tunneling traffic is kind of easy using wireguard,ipsec,openvpn or gif tunnels or whatever, but it still requires something at the other end to do the reverse, and "the other end" in this case is "where the domain points to".
08:50 < IcePic> so either one has to have some tunnel endpoint there of some sort, or change where the domain points names to, so it point to where you want it to land
08:52 < i00nsu> IcePic: "where the domain points to" is by adding the IPs of the server, like we can do using cloudflare to manage domains.. ok, I will read more about this "wireguard" to understand better how tunnels work. Thank you! 
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09:06 < ndnmsf> I found llvm16 lying around - can I nuke it?
09:14 < cgnarne> wdym?
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09:16 < sonya> ndnmsf, # pkg_delete -as
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09:27 < ndnmsf> it shows some kind of .libs pseudopackages
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09:38 < cgnarne> ah ok. i just remove those. never had a problem after that
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09:58 < haddock> anyone in here that have tried to install openbsd on a macbook pro from 2016? 
09:59 < IcePic> seems like people are getting old macbooks lately, many run into the "sleep 10000" bug
10:00 < haddock> IcePic: Im having the strange problem with installing base taking 40min to do 7%. 
10:00 < IcePic> hmm, not the same issue as most of the others then, for them it got stuck in dmesg after probing sd0
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10:01 < haddock> IcePic: I had that also, but the installer is so slow. Im trying to install 7.5 now just because the acpi bug aint there, but the installer is so slow.
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10:02 < IcePic> haddock: are you installing from install75.iso/img or DLing the sets as you go?
10:03 < haddock> IcePic: I booted with img and then I downloaded the sets and now I am on installing
10:04 < ndnmsf> after autoremoval, the installed size was reduced to 7.5GB
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10:19 < i00nsu> Just another "stupid question": how stupid is, to expose the firewall machine(openbsd), as a bridge on a ISP router? Is recommended or not? Does the ISP router serve some layer of security, or that is just a myth? 
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10:20 < IcePic> usually isps dont do much for protection
10:20 < IcePic> some, but not enough
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10:21 < IcePic> if they nat your network, you get some protection against connections being made inwards. The ISPs I've had with ipv6 enabled would have something similar to "block in all inet6" in their boxes, so while my machines got public v6s, it acted much like NAT. Not total protection, but some
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10:38 < dg> I would trust openbsd more than some ISP provided router
10:39 < dg> you do have to be confident in your pf configuration, but having pf doing the NAT is likely going to be as good if not better than what the ISP router does
10:41 < dg> You should basically be able to follow https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/example1.html and have a working replacement for an ISP router
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10:48 < cgnarne> i have an apu2 at home and was planning to replace the provider cpe with it. sadly standalone dsl modems are very expensive
10:50 < dg> many providers cpes can be put in bridge mode, so then you don't have to replace them, depends what they offer though
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10:53 < cgnarne> good idea. i'll look into that. now i just have to talk my gf into letting me mess with the internet connection. that'll end well...
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11:07 < zbcm> Trying to use the internet on openbsd is an experience. I tried all different browsers and user agents but I can't log into my banking. They seemingly figured out I'm doing something strange and just decide not to send a response
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11:14 < zbcm> something great*
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11:24 < dg> zbcm: I do sometimes see that with google as they know Chromium isn't a Google compiled Chrome
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11:26 < dg> but no idea what your bank is looking at, seems annoying they care
11:26 < avemestr> i00nsu: I think using OpenBSD as router/firewall is one of the most common use cases. Start your config with blocking all and open only what's necessary. If it's your first rodeo, it's a good idea with console/KVM access when you happen to block out yourself :-)
11:27 < cgnarne> seems to depend on your bank. i can do capitalism with firefox just fine
11:29 < oldlaptop> yeah, I've never seen "them" just block a client at the transport layer for having OpenBSD user-agents (or whatever)
11:31 < oldlaptop> it's more or less believable that a particularly nasty "web application firewall" would decide that particular is just using so many weird user-agents that it must be an 3v1l h4x0r and should get banned
11:31 < oldlaptop> *particular IP
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11:34 < oldlaptop> <i00nsu> Morning. Is possible to host a domain already registered in our home, like cloudflared application do, but without using a external application? If is possible, can you recommend me something to read about it? 
11:34 < oldlaptop> If what you want to do is host a public website at home, you might want to either look at the ISP's terms of service or check with them first. It's not that uncommon (at least around here) for them to require a "business" connection instead of a "residential" one if you're hosting public-facing services
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11:42 < i00nsu> oldlaptop: right now, just a page and db. With fewer users I think is not needed to change speed, but I think the "business" have more upload speed. \\ avemestr & dg thank you for the tips. 
11:44 < oldlaptop> Exactly what's technically different would depend on the situation. To my mind the relevant thing (besides the degree to which you care about "oh no, I'm breaking ToS") would be that a public service is at a certain increased risk of attack (especially DDoS) that could be trouble for them
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12:08 < jab> hmm, I can't seem to get httpd location block to work. 
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12:10 < jab> location "high-star" {
12:10 < jab> root "/htdocs/high-star"
12:10 < jab>   } 
12:11 < jab> it can't seem to redirect gnucode.org.local/high-star  to /var/www/htdocs/high-star/
12:12 < dg> generally you'd want: location "/high-star" { as http requests always start with a /
12:13 < jab> that's my bad.  I do have 'location "/high-star" {'  I copied it wrong.
12:17 < dg> ah, you maybe also need a request rewrite to drop one of the high-star, it's probably looking for /htdocs/high-star/high-star/ currently
12:17 < dg> (i'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, it seems this should just work without the location there?)
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12:20 < jab> let me put this in a pastebin real quick... it'll make more sense.
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12:22 < jab> https://paste.debian.net/1403797/  
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12:27 < jab> I can't store high-star inside gnucode.org's directory.  gnucode.org is built with haunt.  And haunt would delete high-star everytime I rebuild gnucode.org 
12:27 < dg> ah ok, I think adding: request strip 1 inside the location will do it
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12:31 < jab> I'm still getting something wrong...
12:32 < jab> is there a way for httpd to tell you "I'm looking for "GET high-star/index.html  ... file /var/www/htdocs/high-star/high-star/index not found."  ?
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12:37 < dg> probably easiest to stop httpd, then: doas ktrace -i httpd -d
12:38 < dg> make request, ^C
12:38 < dg> doas kdump 2>&1 | grep htdocs
12:38 < dg> I see something like:
12:38 < dg>   8362 httpd    NAMI  "/htdocs/foo"
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12:41 < jab> thanks!
12:42 < jab> I've got to go to work now, I'll debug this later, but your tip should really help me out!  Thanks!
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12:53 < i00nsu> Is https://www.secbsd.org/ a real project of fake one? I mean, we click on the documents or any kind of reading and links don't work or are inexistent. 
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13:01 < dg> i00nsu: it's been around a while, I don't think it's fake
13:02 < dg> but you're trusting a third-party rebuilding some of openbsd, probably better to get openbsd and install the relevant ports
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15:51 < mlarkin> < saeedm> are there any major road blocks to add support of vmm(4) to qemu as a accelrator backend? i'd like to work on it, and i apperciate any pointers.   <- there is a fair amount of plumbing that needs to be built first. shoot me a mail at mlarkin@openbsd.org and I can give you the list
15:52 < saeedm> thanks a lot.
15:54 < saeedm> sent.
16:01 < linetrace> mlarkin: I'm eternally grateful for your efforts on vmm/vmd
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16:16 < nanach1> what did they do, linetrace ?
16:17 < mlarkin> linetrace: thx
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